singsing wrote:
@rereboy
You were saying SMPOM was the second strongest in DC, with maybe one or two others that could beat him. I gave 8 or 9 examples of people stronger than him off the top of my head.
Actually, I had already corrected myself to a more realistic estimate. At first I said one or two out of the top of by head without thinking about it (besides The Presence) but then I thought a little after your post and rectified my rough estimate to about an handful that I could think and that could be argued to be superior (since the vagueness around Superman Prime's limits and also around the limits of universal beings like these makes it hard to judge).
In your list you mentioned a few that I actually hadn't thought about, so, if I had done it, I would have said perhaps two handfuls of beings that I could think of and that could be argued.
However, my point wasn't that my rough estimate of two or a handful was super accurate, my point was that Superman Prime is easily in the top ranks and that few beings will outrank or be argued to outrank him in the the DC universe.
Yet, you continued to insist that "plenty" of beings are superior and that he "isn't near the top ranks", even though you only mentioned 8 beings that could be argued (and like I said, are pretty much all reality-warpers, dimension-bending and universe-ending god-like beasts of power who sit of the very top of ranks of the history of the dc universe).
Even if you can think of more, that still doesn't contradict my point, it just shows that my rough estimate of how many/few can be argued was further off, which I fully admit.
So, instead of just focusing on whether my rough estimate was super accurate or not maybe you should focus on my actual point? Or are you gonna continue to say that are plenty of beings more powerful and that he isn't near the top ranks? Because my interpretation of "plently" is a large amount and my interpretation of "not being near" is not even being close at all.
Hellspawn28 wrote:He's not even the strongest Superman since Comsic Armor Superman was powerful enough to beat a enemy who was eating away universes during Final Crisis.
Well, first off, isn't he a machine? As in he is not actually Kal-el? That was my impression, so I don't really consider him to actually be Superman.
Besides that, well, honestly, I get what you are saying but I think it depends on perspective. If you really want to look at actual feats, then I fully understand considering Cosmic Armor Superman superior, but, giving equal importance to estimates and theory, which is frankly the only way to judge this Superman Prime, Superman Prime might take it. Its hard to tell but I fully admit any result and honestly, its probably likely that he is superior to Prime, even with theory and estimates.
Relying on estimates and theory is pretty common anyway. Power in Dragon Ball also has to be judged in estimates and theory btw. If we looked at feats only, they would be far weaker than they are supposed to be, imo.
I continue to not understand your point but whatever.
