The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

I think Goku would win this battle without much trouble. Both Piccolo and Vegeta seemed to be overly amazed by his power. I don't think either could inflict damage on him if they tried.

[Fox666]

Piccolo could barely believe the power Freeza had, and Vegeta was far stronger than him and still cried because of it. Goku on the other hand could handle Freeza at that level, so I guess he would defeat both Piccolo and Vegeta in an instant.

[Kid Buu]

I've got another battle:

Son Goku (pre-Super Saiyan) vs. Piccolo (after his fusion with Nail) & Vegeta.

Goku, plus he always has Kaioken has backup

[Fox666]

I even forget about the Kaio-ken. Goku can defeat both of them without even raising his power in 10 times.

[Saiga]

If Goku doesn't have the Kaio-ken, maybe Vegeta and Piccolo can win.

[Fox666]

They had absolute no hope against Freeza, while Goku without the Kaio-ken could handle him at the power he had at that time. So I really doubt Vegeta and Piccolo could barely handle a finger on Goku.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Son Goku (pre-Super Saiyan) vs. Piccolo (after his fusion with Nail) & Vegeta.

Piccolo was astonished at both Vegeta and Freeza's power, and Vegeta gave up and got the shit beaten out of him by Freeza. Goku could actually fight evenly with Freeza. So Son Goku would easily defeat them both without even having to use the Kaio-ken.

[perucho1990]

Didnt Goku get a Zenkai for the battle against Freeza?

When he fought the Ginyu force, Goku's base power was 90,000 without Kaikoken(according to Ginyu).

[Piccolo Daimao]

Didnt Goku get a Zenkai for the battle against Freeza?

When he fought the Ginyu force, Goku's base power was 90,000 without Kaikoken(according to Ginyu).

Yeah, when he fought Ginyu, his battle power was 90,000. After Ginyu stole his body, Vegeta beat up Ginyu in Goku's body, then Goku returned back to his own body. And when he healed, according to the Daizenshuu, his battle power was 3,000,000.

[Saiga]

Didn't Kaio say that Goku had been using Kaio-ken x10 the whole time against Freeza?

[dbgtFO]

Didn't Kaio say that Goku had been using Kaio-ken x10 the whole time against Freeza?

Nope.
I guess in viz, that's how it's worded?
But in the original dialouge, all he says is that Goku's using it, as they speak.
And if Goku was in fact using it the whole time.. there'd be no hidden power, he was keeping from Freeza for Piccolo to start commenting on after Freeza starts beating him up at only 50% of his power.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

^Even in that version, it isn't implied that he was using it the entire time.

[Rocketman]

there'd be no hidden power, he was keeping from Freeza for Piccolo to start commenting on

But Freeza can't sense ki. Even if he could, he couldn't sense the power of the Kaioken until Goku started using it.

[Fox666]

When he fought the Ginyu force, Goku's base power was 90,000 without Kaikoken(according to Ginyu).

Ginyu estimated his battle power would be 85,000, however it actually is 90,000 since with the Kaio-ken his reading was 180,000.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

While it's true that he can't sense Chi, it's possible that he was able to gauge Goku's power through his attacks, sorta like Future Gohan did with #17. If not that, maybe he just had a hunch that Goku was holding-back his powers based on how he was fighting.

[Rocketman]

But the Kaioken isn't 'holding back'. Its power simply doesn't exist until Goku uses it.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

So do you think Goku was holding-back a large amount of his normal power throughout the battle? Both agreed that he was hiding his power, so it would have to be that.

[Fox666]

maybe he just had a hunch that Goku was holding-back his powers based on how he was fighting.

Likely, Freeza realized Goku was holding back his power based on his behavior.

[dbgtFO]

there'd be no hidden power, he was keeping from Freeza for Piccolo to start commenting on

But Freeza can't sense ki. Even if he could, he couldn't sense the power of the Kaioken until Goku started using it.

True, true, but I was focusing on Piccolo, since he was the one who commented that the power Goku first revealed at that point was below that of Freeza's 50%. So Freeza being incapable of sensing ki wouldn't matter, since we still have Piccolo telling us about the hidden power.

[perucho1990]

Anyone knows how strong was Oozaru Gohan(start of DBZ)?

Was planning to make Oozaru Gohan vs the Saiyans in a Gaunlet match...