Unpopular DB opinions

[thatdbzguy]

I think that's a little too harsh. It's a series made for little kids, so it's not going to have the depth of something that Stanley Kubrick or Francis Ford Coppola could have conjured up at their best. But it's pretty fun to watch, as long as it is not taken too seriously.

Being aimed at kids doesn't excuse abysmal writing.

[rereboy]

I think that's a little too harsh. It's a series made for little kids, so it's not going to have the depth of something that Stanley Kubrick or Francis Ford Coppola could have conjured up at their best. But it's pretty fun to watch, as long as it is not taken too seriously.

Being aimed at kids doesn't excuse abysmal writing.

It has plot holes, some things could have been better planned out, justified or explained. It does not, however, have abysmal writing.

[ABED]

thatdbzguy, your posts come off like an addict desperately trying to find other addicts to make himself not feel so bad about his vice. Enjoy what you enjoy and to hell with what other people think.

[Ringworm128]

My unpopular opinion is that I don't watch DB for nostalgia, I watch it because it's a simple yet well paced story.

[thatdbzguy]

thatdbzguy, your posts come off like an addict desperately trying to find other addicts to make himself not feel so bad about his vice. Enjoy what you enjoy and to hell with what other people think.

Easier said than done for me. Due to a combination of both insecurity and inferiority complex, it's very difficult for me to just not care at all about what people say, especially if it involves something I'm very passionate about.

[ABED]

We live in an era of geekdom, and DBZ is still pretty popular. You aren't alone.

[Kid Buu]

Yeah, fuck what other people say. You're as entitled to your opinion as these other people are.

[ErikB]

The modern digital animation character models (those found in the Kai openings and endings, Battle of Gods, Episode of Bardock, etc.) are hideous. I think they've over-refined Toriyama's style to the point that all of the nuances that made the style charming in the first place are gone.

[ABED]

The modern digital animation character models (those found in the Kai openings and endings, Battle of Gods, Episode of Bardock, etc.) are hideous. I think they've over-refined Toriyama's style to the point that all of the nuances that made the style charming in the first place are gone.

I don't think it's hideous but I do think it's too refined. I much prefer the look and feel of cell animation.

[TheGmGoken]

Goku's EOZ outfit is his best outfit.

[rereboy]

My unpopular opinion is that I don't watch DB for nostalgia, I watch it because it's a simple yet well paced story.

Its the same for me. I genuinely like it.

Easier said than done for me. Due to a combination of both insecurity and inferiority complex, it's very difficult for me to just not care at all about what people say, especially if it involves something I'm very passionate about.

The only thing hindering you is yourself.

[ABED]

The only thing hindering you is yourself.

I fully agree. The world is slowly becoming more accepting of niche and geek culture. As a wrestling fan, you get a hell of a lot of criticism, so you either grow thick skin or tuck your tail between your legs. Either way, how you react is up to you. I still enjoy power rangers, and the writing and acting is often worse than in Dragon Ball, but I enjoy the cheesiness of monsters vs robots and martial arts. As long as you have reasons for what you enjoy, take no shame in it. Many of the things people look down on "geeks" for are considered perfectly acceptable by sports fans.

[Kamiccolo9]

The only thing hindering you is yourself.

I fully agree. The world is slowly becoming more accepting of niche and geek culture. As a wrestling fan, you get a hell of a lot of criticism, so you either grow thick skin or tuck your tail between your legs. Either way, how you react is up to you. I still enjoy power rangers, and the writing and acting is often worse than in Dragon Ball, but I enjoy the cheesiness of monsters vs robots and martial arts. As long as you have reasons for what you enjoy, take no shame in it. Many of the things people look down on "geeks" for are considered perfectly acceptable by sports fans.

Hey, ABED! Haven't seen you around here in a while.

I think I shared this quote before, with you, actually, but I feel it's just as appropriate for this situation.

"People who like football are people who obsess over something others find very very boring. They archive all the stats and players and scores in their memory, keep up with all the updates, put posters of their favorite personalities on their walls, go to places where there are large congregations of people who also obsess over the very boring thing, and they even buy the shirts that their favorite personalities wear so that they can dress like them. "Cosplay," if you will. There's a word for this, and that word is "nerd."
"I'm not judging. We're all nerds here. I would argue virtually everyone is. After all, what is a nerd? It's someone who has a passion for something. There are gaming nerds, and music nerds, and TV nerds, and train nerds, and yes, there are sports nerds. Let's stop all this nerd-on-nerd judgmentalism, alright? And pity that tragic minority of people who aren't nerds. People for whom there is nothing that provokes any passionate interest. Who regard all things with folded arms and an aloof sneer. What sad, empty, friendless lives they must lead."

If you are really passionate about something, don't let other people get you down for it. Unless they are just sad shriveled up husks of human beings, then they are probably passionate about something as well, and oft times, what they are passionate about will be something you think is pointless or immature. Don't be afraid to like what you want, and especially don't be afraid to express it, especially around other people who like the same thing you do.

[Storm]

As long as you have reasons for what you enjoy, take no shame in it.

This is the most essential part, I think. If you can materialize why you like something, that's the only thing that matters, regardless of what others think.

[ABED]

Thanks Kamicollo, and I 100% agree with your post. We can recognize DB's faults, but just as important, recognize its many virtues. I love the humor, the fights, the art, characters, dialog, much of the acting (especially the original Japanese cast), and there are plenty of moments that give me goose bumps.

[Kid Buu]

I enjoy Power Rangers too ABED, although I admit that it has a ton of flaws, especially Mighty Morphin.

[ErikB]

The modern digital animation character models (those found in the Kai openings and endings, Battle of Gods, Episode of Bardock, etc.) are hideous. I think they've over-refined Toriyama's style to the point that all of the nuances that made the style charming in the first place are gone.

I don't think it's hideous but I do think it's too refined. I much prefer the look and feel of cell animation.

The fact of it being digital, as opposed to cell, isn't at all what I have problem with. I'm fine with digital animation, digital animation's my career. But the updated aesthetic of the new character designs I just find unpleasant. If I had to try and be specific, I suppose I could say that they seriously lack volume definition. The detailing has been streamlined so much that the characters often look very flat (especially noticeable on Piccolo, I find, what with his muscle pads and cape and such).

Speaking of Piccolo and the digital animation, man did I get tired of Piccolo's derp face in the first Dragon Soul:

When working in HD, especially on a held frame, stuff like that doesn't (or shouldn't) fly.

[ABED]

You'll have to forgive my ignorance about animation, but what's "volume definition"?

[TheGmGoken]

Yamcha was more useful than Tien

[ErikB]

You'll have to forgive my ignorance about animation, but what's "volume definition"?

A sense of 3D space. Drawing the characters in a way that, even though they literally are flat 2D drawings, they appear as though they exist in three dimensions.
I find a common layman misunderstanding of this idea is that it comes entirely from shading, but a good drawing should be able to convey volume with or without shading just from how the artist managed the shapes and linework of the character/object.
Thinking about it, The Simpsons is a good example. There's very rarely any shading in the show but the viewer can always grasp the full shape of each character and what amount of space they occupy because of how they're drawn.