The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[In Brightest Day]

Now for something different!

Desert Bandit Yamcha VS Pre Z Yajirobe in a battle of swordsmanship! Due to the period this means No flying, ki blasts or powering up. Just a duel of blades.

Yajirobe would go far in the 22nd Budokai. He kills Yamcha and eats Puar.

[Hugo Boss]

I have Pan about as strong as Piccolo before merging with Kami. SS3 Gogeta [Boo Arc] could be about as strong as SS4 Goku [Baby Arc].

Pan knocked down Rildo (wasn't a surprise attack) and he's stronger than Buuhan...

Rildo dropped his guard because there was no need to defend himself. It's like a heavy MMA Fighter being knocked down by a 9-year-old ordinary kid.

Also I think Rildo is only stronger than Mr. Boo.

[Lord Beerus]

Kaguya Otsutsuki runs a DB gauntlet. How far does she get before hitting a wall?

Sage Of Six Paths Madara Uchiha runs a DB gauntlet. How far does he get before hitting a wall?

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Also I think Rildo is only stronger than Mr. Boo.

http://www.neoseeker.com/forums/88/t208 ... eral-rild/

[singsing]

Also I think Rildo is only stronger than Mr. Boo.

http://www.neoseeker.com/forums/88/t208 ... eral-rild/

One opinion from another website many people don't even agree with makes you right? They lost me when they tried to say for utter fact EoZ Goku ~ SSJ3 Goku (Buu).

[Bullza]

23rd Budokai Tien vs King Piccolo.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

One opinion from another website many people don't even agree with makes you right? They lost me when they tried to say for utter fact EoZ Goku ~ SSJ3 Goku (Buu).

Did I say it made me right? I was just showing him why I thought Rild was stronger than Gohan-Buu and what evidence there was supporting it. What's wrong with EoZ Goku ~ SSJ 3 Goku ?

23rd Budokai Tenshinhan vs King Piccolo.

Tenshinhan

[singsing]

One opinion from another website many people don't even agree with makes you right? They lost me when they tried to say for utter fact EoZ Goku ~ SSJ3 Goku (Buu).

Did I say it made me right? I was just showing him why I thought Rild was stronger than Gohan-Buu and what evidence there was supporting it. What's wrong with EoZ Goku ~ SSJ 3 Goku ?

23rd Budokai Tenshinhan vs King Piccolo.

Tenshinhan

Nothing wrong with that interpretation, but if they're trying to "debunk" something, why are they also using completely open to interpretation scenes? I woulda thought debunk would only use facts.

Also, if you're going to reply to someone's opinion with a link and nothing else, that kinda implies you're saying he's wrong. Especially since I don't see the point of you saying "I think Rildo is > Gohan Boo" when he knows that and responded with "That's fine, but I think Rildo is > Good Boo".

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

I didn't make it or title it "debunking", that's just the only source I have with all of the information on Rild gathered into one thread.

I just wanna know why Base Goku EoZ ~ SSJ 3 Goku Buu is so crazy to you.

[singsing]

I didn't make it or title it "debunking", that's just the only source I have with all of the information on Rild gathered into one thread.

I just wanna know why Base Goku EoZ ~ SSJ 3 Goku Buu is so crazy to you.

Then why not make up your own argument that isn't so condescending? It's not "crazy" to me, it's simply not irrefutable fact and has many different viewpoints. From the author's own statement, Goku (BoG) is >= Goku (EoZ), and Goku (BoG) is < 100% Freeza. By saying Oob is as "amazing as he expected", he could simply mean he's an extremely powerful human who is far above any average standards and is holding up extremely well.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

I should put together a whole argument just like his just to make the title nicer? I'm not gonna steal credit from him, and I don't feel the need to make my own when I can share that one.

I don't believe that person was counting BoG as canon, as GT and BoG most likely aren't part of the same continuity. There's also the puzzling fact that Goku was worried about losing, yet had god power and could've actually one shotted Uub.

[Hugo Boss]

I just wanna know why Base Goku EoZ ~ SSJ 3 Goku Buu is so crazy to you.

There is no problem with that, but it is far from being a fact.

Goku recognized Oob as Boo's reincarnation due to his natural talent and power, but Goku suggested Oob still needed a teacher to bring out his true worth. By saying that, I don't know which form Goku was planning to use against Oob [after he master his hidden powers].

But yeah, I can't picture current Goku being all that excited about fighting someone at Boo's level again. I will wait and see what happens.

[The Monkey King]

Kaguya Otsutsuki runs a DB gauntlet. How far does she get before hitting a wall?

Saiyan saga Vegeta

Sage Of Six Paths Madara Uchiha runs a DB gauntlet. How far does he get before hitting a wall?

Raditz or Nappa

[rereboy]

Yea, but Iceman can literally create absolute zero, even if it theoretically doesn't exist in our universe, so I'm wondering how he'd hold up against it...

In real world logic, nothing could survive absolute zero. However, in fiction comic/manga logic, obviously characters can survive that and if Freeza survived near absolute zero with no Ki and a destroyed body, I don't see why he wouldn't survive it.

[SuperSaiyan2]

23rd Budokai Tenshinhan vs King Piccolo.

Tenshinhan after a somewhat difficult battle. Goku was stated to be stronger than his previous self while fighting Tenshinhan, and Tenshinhan was doing well against him. Goku was limited to his Daimao Arc speed due to his weights, and Tenshinhan was faster than that.

Piccolo Daimao = Goku @ Daimao < Tenshinhan's Speed

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

3% Super Buu vs. SSJ 3 Goku (Buu arc)

[Kaboom]

Cell Games Kamiccolo vs. 2nd stage Cell
Buu arc Kamiccolo vs. SSjin Goten [pre-roast bbq]

— Piccolo, and pretty easily too. He's about as strong as "Super Vegeta" was, in my book.
— Piccolo again. Even if the kids are similar to or even a bit above him in power, he's the much older, smarter, more skilled, and more experienced fighter. He can make up for it.

Let's say Vegeta had agreed with Goku to go fight Buu right after he hatched. SSJ2 Goku, SSJ2 Vegeta, SSJ2 Gohan, and Kioshin vs Fat Buu. If it makes a difference, put Dabura on the heroes' side. Say he was willing to work with them to kill Buu.

Boo's regeneration is a little bit too haxed for strength in numbers to work against him. It would take someone at least on his level of power and highly skilled in ki amplification to defeat him. Dabra really has no bearing on the fight; he's only half as strong as all of them at best, and his own haxed techniques like his stone spit will be useless.

Saiyan arc Goku Kaioken x4* vs Monster Zarbon *Goku can use the form with much less strain than normal. We'll say more strain than Kaioken and less strain than Kaioken x3.

So Goku ends up at a bit of a power advantage (32k Vs ~30k), and gets a few good hits on Zarbon, but it's hard to say whether that damage will outweigh the damage he does to himself. I'm going to say that Goku will win in the end due to other advantages like ki-sensing and the like, but he's left ragged and exhausted from it.

Movie 8 Gohan vs. 2nd stage Cell

Gohan's a good chunk stronger than Cell, but as we all know, Gohan's incompetence increases proportionately with the strength advantage he holds over an enemy. He can certainly win, but he'll have to be careful not to let Cell outsmart him.

Pan [Baby arc] vs. SSJ 3 Gogeta [Buu arc]

Normal Logic: Gogeta erases Pan from existence by looking in her direction.
GT Logic: Pan is somehow stronger than a Super Saiyan 3 Goku-Vegeta Fusion for no good reason, but still loses because she's not Goku.

Desert Bandit Yamcha VS Pre Z Yajirobe in a battle of swordsmanship! Due to the period this means No flying, ki blasts or powering up. Just a duel of blades.

Yajirobe, easily. He was strong enough to contend with and impress Goku after the 22nd tournament. Dude's no slouch.

Okay, well, he is kind of a slouch, but he's strong. That's what I'm getting at.

23rd Budokai Tenshinhan vs King Piccolo.

I'm gonna say Tenshinhan would need the Kikoho to win this one. He still can't quite contend with King Piccolo otherwise.

3% Super Buu vs. SSJ 3 Goku (Buu arc)

Goku happily thanks Majin Boo for giving him such a large handicap, drops down to Super Saiyan 1, and eradicates Boo with a decently-amped Kamehameha.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Movie 8 Gohan vs. 2nd stage Cell

Gohan's a good chunk stronger than Cell, but as we all know, Gohan's incompetence increases proportionately with the strength advantage he holds over an enemy. He can certainly win, but he'll have to be careful not to let Cell outsmart him.

Do you follow the mid-RoSaT 'theory' or the CG Z-fighters > M8 Z-fighters 'theory' ?

[Kaboom]

In a nutshell, yes. To explain both why none of the heroes in Movie 8 seem all that much stronger than each other, and also potentially why Gohan in Movie 10 (his Boo arc self) is stronger than in Movie 8.

[Lord Beerus]

3% Super Buu vs. SSJ 3 Goku (Buu arc)

SSJ3 Goku stomps.