The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[In Brightest Day]

I actually don't think it's said anywhere Yamcha stopped training. However, I think the gap would have widened from Ten just training with Chaozu. He's not a good training partner, but it's better than training alone.

Well, I don't think Goku would have benefited from training with Piccolo and Gohan, at least not until Piccolo sort of caught up anyway. From the 23rd Budokai onward, Chaozu was always just a tier or two below Krillin and Yamcha, and if the difference between Tien and Chaozu from the Saiyan arc (1830 to Chaozu's 610) remained the same or widened even more so throughout the rest of the series (Ten making him stay at home during the Android arc suggests this, in my opinion) then I just don't see them being compatible training partners for each other at all.

It's plausible Yamcha continued to train, but I think it would have been more along the line of Piccolo's training habits following the Cell Games. Lighter training methods, without the intention of pushing himself like everyone did in the past and especially leading up to the Androids.

[dbzfan7]

Future Gohan (1 arm, SSJ 2) vs. Android 18 (present). If he stomps make it 17.

I think SSJ2 F. Gohan can beat either of them.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

SSJ 3 Gogeta vs. Hirudegarn

[goku the krump dancer]

Gogeta whiffs the ol' Kaiju away with a single hand gesture.

[Kaboom]

base Vegetto (Goku (arrival on Namek) + Vegeta (vs. Recoome)) vs. 50% Freeza

ok.. how about base Vegetto (Android arc (Goku + Vegeta pre-RoSaT) vs. SSJ Grade 3 Trunks (post-1st RoSaT)

ok.. one more.. base Vegetto (Buu arc) vs. Super Gogeta (Buu arc) (both fusions are post-Majin Vegeta)

I currently like and subscribe to a fan-theory which dictates that although being similar is not a requirement for Potara Fusion like with the Fusion Dance, it still yields a better result if the two individuals ARE similar. Hence why Vegetto is basically the perfect Fusion; because Goku and Vegeta are extremely similar in most measurable ways. That said...

— Goku is several times stronger than Vegeta at this point (~90k to ~30k), and they're still mostly enemies with very different mindsets at this point, so Vegetto isn't as potent as he could be. My gut tells me he would need the Kaio-Ken x10 or x20 to have a shot at winning this.

— The difference between Goku and Vegeta is minimal this time, so Vegetto will be more powerful. His base form still won't quite be strong enough to measure up to Grade 3 Trunks, though. He'd need some level of the Kaio-Ken to win.

— I don't believe one bit that Gogeta is some pathetic weakling compared to Vegetto, tens of times weaker than him or something. Gogeta wins this easily. Vegetto can easily turn the tables by going Super Saiyan himself.

SSJ Goten and Trunks vs. Cell Games SSJ Vegeta and Future Trunks

Goten and li'l Trunks get spanked. They're similar in power to their elders here, but greatly lag behind in skill and experience.

- Yamcha (Cell arc) vs Monster Zarbon
- Omega Shenron vs SS4 Vegetto (Buu arc)
- Ultra Trunks vs Dabura
- Broly vs Kamiccolo (Cell Games arc)

I ain't touching the GT matches. Except for the one involving SS4 Vegetto, who wins his fight by virtue of being SS4 mufuggin' Vegetto.

— I'm thinking that even Yamcha has, by the end of his training at Kaio's or at least after the few years of training before the Androids, is on the Ginyu Force average (Jheese/Butta/Recoome) level at around 40-45 thousand. So putting aside the inherent disadvantage of "being Yamcha," he can beat Monster-Zarbon (~30,000) pretty easily.

— Being a little weaker than but still on-par with SS1 Gohan, Dabra is much stronger than this form of Trunks. Whatever form he uses, Trunks can't catch him, and probably couldn't even hurt him if he did.

— As cool as Piccolo is, he doesn't have the power or durability to match up against a being who beat up SS2 Gohan with minimal resistance. The difference in power is a bit too big to make up for in any way with skill and brains. Piccolo's only extremely slim hope would be to somehow buy enough time to charge up a super-potent Makankosappo that Broli would be too dumb to dodge. Otherwise, he'd only be any good as backup for someone closer to Broli's power.

Future Gohan (1 arm, SSJ 2) vs. Android 18 (present). If he stomps make it 17.

The lack of his arm didn't seem to affect Gohan's fighting ability all THAT much, and by my estimate, doubling his power with Super Saiyan 2 would leave him much closer to either one of the Androids' full strength, but still at a TINY power disadvantage. He actually has a shot at beating either one of them one-on-one now, but the odds are still a bit in their favor.

SSJ 3 Gogeta vs. Hirudegarn

I'm perfectly fine with Toei's old online assertion that Super Janemba is actually stronger than Hirudegarn, and Gogeta made kicking Janemba's ass look easy at just Super Saiyan 1. So he can do the same thing to Hirudy at the same level, and Super Saiyan 3 is just extreme overkill.

[dbzfan7]

Nuova vs SSJ4 Goku or SSJ4 Vegeta(Sans fusions)

Essentially he was faster than Goku before his power up, and Nuova was still faster than Vegeta even when SSJ4 Vegeta is supposed to be on par with beyond limits SSJ4 Goku, who is more powerful than the SSJ4 Goku who fought Nuova initially. I'd possibly suggest Nuova's new super state thing to be thrown in, but we have no way to judge it.

[Kaboom]

Nuova vs SSJ4 Goku or SSJ4 Vegeta(Sans fusions)

I'm wary of GT match-ups, but... there are few things more effective in the Toei-verse or in general than a Goku and Vegeta team-up against an opponent. I'm sure they've got this fight in the bag.

[singsing]

Nuova vs SSJ4 Goku or SSJ4 Vegeta(Sans fusions)

I'm wary of GT match-ups, but... there are few things more effective in the Toei-verse or in general than a Goku and Vegeta team-up against an opponent. I'm sure they've got this fight in the bag.

I think it was supposed to be one or the other, not a team-up.

[Kaboom]

Ah. Well I'd say either one alone has a pretty good shot at it, too. If the fire and ice twins are supposed to be similar in power, then we already saw SS4 Goku take the ice one out, and while partially inhibited by blindness, no less.

[In Brightest Day]

YAY FIGHTS~!

- Avo and Cado vs. Krillin and Tenshinhan.
- Cooler (movie 5) vs. Piccolo (Android arc).
- Dr. Gero vs. Yakon.
- Future Son Gohan vs. King Cold and Mecha Freeza.
- Jewel and Killa vs. Panpoot.
- Master Roshi vs. Yajirobe (both from the Piccolo Daimao arc).
- Paragus vs. Tarble.

[Kaboom]

- Avo and Cado vs. Krillin and Tenshinhan.
- Cooler (movie 5) vs. Piccolo (Android arc).
- Dr. Gero vs. Yakon.
- Future Son Gohan vs. King Cold and Mecha Freeza.
- Jewel and Killa vs. Panpoot.
- Master Roshi vs. Yajirobe (both from the Piccolo Daimao arc).
- Paragus vs. Tarble.

— If Avo and Cado are stronger than or at least on-par with 1st-form Freeza, then they're each a few times stronger than Kuririn or Tenshinhan. A well-placed Kienzan or Kikoho could still let the Earthling team win, though the chances aren't too good.
— I think Yakon starts out with a moderate power advantage. Dr. Gero could turn that around by absorbing ki though. But since Yakon doesn't seem to use ki attacks, Gero would have to get up close and personal and absorb the energy by direct contact, which will be risky. This fight could go either way, I think.
— He'd have a harder time doing it than SS Goku or Trunks did, but I think the odds are still slightly in Gohan's favor.
— Uh... pass. I don't feel like comparing sub-superhuman feats right now.
— Hard to tell. Yajirobe has a power advantage, but Roshi seems much more proficient at actually USING ki for attacks and such.
— We don't know much about Paragus' power, but Tarble was (eventually) strong enough to repeatedly survive or escape encounters with Avo and Cado, so I'll give it to him.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

- Avo and Cado vs. Krillin and Tenshinhan

uuhh dunno. If they're first form Freeza level, Kuririn solos. (and the kids were severely nerfed in that special if that's the case.)

- Cooler (movie 5) vs. Piccolo (Android arc).

Without hax: Piccolo stomps.
With hax: Cooler crushes his skull.

- Dr. Gero vs. Yakon.

Yakon.

- Future Son Gohan vs. King Cold and Mecha Freeza.

1 arm or 2 arms. If it's the former, he takes it with slight to no difficulty, if it's the latter, he probably loses, I see him a little below Namek Goku.

- Paragus vs. Tarble.

IMO, Tarble, same reason as Kaboom said.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Beginning of GT SSJ 2 Goku vs. Gohan-Buu

[dbzfan7]

Nuova vs SSJ4 Goku or SSJ4 Vegeta

Essentially he was faster than Goku before his power up, and Nuova was still faster than Vegeta even when SSJ4 Vegeta is supposed to be on par with beyond limits SSJ4 Goku, who is more powerful than the SSJ4 Goku who fought Nuova initially. I'd possibly suggest Nuova's new super state thing to be thrown in, but we have no way to judge it.

I think people might be missing the picture. The conundrum (Yeah in GT no less) is that a powered up Goku is still considered slower than Nuova. So the question here is partly a fight, as well as speed gap. Goku's 10x Kamehameha did jack shit to Syn, but once Goku powered up beyond limits he could severely damage Syn with a 10x Kamehameha. Some have argued Beyond limits SSJ4 Goku is minimum 10x stronger than initial SSJ4 Goku since a 10x Kamehameha was ineffective to Syn originally. Vegeta is supposed to be equal to beyond limits SSJ4 Goku, and yet Goku says Nuova is still faster than them. So I wonder just how much of a speed advantage does Nuova exactly have? Initial SSJ4 Goku said he had the power advantage while Nuova had speed in their first fight. That much is clear. Eis seemed to be a weakling in comparison as I don't think it was ever shown he was faster than SSJ4 Goku. SSJ4 Goku was confident he'd be easy to beat, unlike Nuova.

So really I have to wonder just how much faster is Nuova than SSJ4?

[Diotor]

Future Gohan (1 arm, SSJ 2) vs. Android 18 (present). If he stomps make it 17.

Considering how much of a power increase SSJ2 is, I think Gohan could beat both of them at the same time with ease. Vegeta was levels above them both without even getting near FPSSJ, which is nothing compared to the second level of Saiyan.

[KentalSSJ6]

17 and 18 Potara fuse to fight Fat Buu.

[Lord Beerus]

Beginning of GT SSJ 2 Goku vs. Gohan-Buu

Buuhan stomps.

[Lord Beerus]

17 and 18 Potara fuse to fight Fat Buu.

Fat Buu stomps. The strongest character that 17 and 18 Potara fused would be able to do best against would be Dabura, anyone stronger than that, they get stomped.

[Lord Beerus]

SSJ 3 Gogeta vs. Hirudegarn

Gogeta sneezes and Hirudegarn turns into dust.

[Hugo Boss]

Beginning of GT SSJ 2 Goku vs. Gohan-Buu

SS Goku is about as strong as Gohan-Boo in my book, he can probably win with high difficulty. With SS2 he wins easily.

17 and 18 Potara fuse to fight Fat Buu.

Lapis-Lazuli would be stronger than Ultimate Gohan and probably than even Gotenks-Boo.