hulkty wrote:I know Arale is one that can defy logic (body-wise), but how can she instantly increase her strength and speed so much that she's able to even land a single hit on someone that is past the level of early Super Saiyans?
hulkty wrote:*Gets headache from pure ridiculousness*
You just answered your own question, cupcake. Arale can throw little dwarf planets around for the same reason Popeye once pulled both ends of the Grand Canyon together with a lasso. Good ol' "Toonforce" power.
hulkty wrote:I know Arale is one that can defy logic (body-wise), but how can she instantly increase her strength and speed so much that she's able to even land a single hit on someone that is past the level of early Super Saiyans? I mean...honestly, she SHOULD at best be low DB-tier. We've seen her fight in DB for proof. The whole "gag" thing still shouldn't be an instant reasoning for being able to do some of the things we does. I mean...how can she make planets come to life with faces like that? Why wasn't 18 able to easily dodge that...even if she was surprised AND being weaken like Android Yamcha mentioned...
I know 18 is still a guaranteed win with a single good hit, BUT STILL!...
*Gets headache from pure ridiculousness*
She has strength feats better than ANYONE in DBZ. I suggest you go a page or two back to see them.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
Arale can can casually exceed the speed of light and affect celestial bodies the size of the sun.
The Monkey King wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:
dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
I can only handle so much gag... Luckily we haven't hit the limit yet .
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hulkty wrote:I know Arale is one that can defy logic (body-wise), but how can she instantly increase her strength and speed so much that she's able to even land a single hit on someone that is past the level of early Super Saiyans? I mean...honestly, she SHOULD at best be low DB-tier. We've seen her fight in DB for proof. The whole "gag" thing still shouldn't be an instant reasoning for being able to do some of the things we does. I mean...how can she make planets come to life with faces like that? Why wasn't 18 able to easily dodge that...even if she was surprised AND being weaken like Android Yamcha mentioned...
I know 18 is still a guaranteed win with a single good hit, BUT STILL!...
*Gets headache from pure ridiculousness*
Low DB-tier?
What?
Arale has done things above and beyond anything that anyone in Dragonball has even claimed to be able to do. She is easily the most powerful character that Toriyama ever created.
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You know, I really can't get over how much negativity there is over this fight, and Arale in general. Arale is awesome and this fight is awesome (easily the best one yet). People are taking this stuff way too seriously and need to remember that without Arale, there wouldn't even be a Dragonball.
Avys ~ DA account ~ Fanfiction ~ Chat Quotes <Kaboom> I'm just glad that he now sounds more like Invader Zim than Rita Repulsa
<Xyex> Original Freeza never sounded like a chick to me.
<Kaboom> Neither does Rita
<Xyex> Good point.
I don't know.... Whis claimed Beers could waste a Galaxy.... Not saying he could, but Arale certainly hasn't demonstrated THAT much power.
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I've yet to actually see BoG, sadly. Was it stated he could destroy the galaxy in a single attack, or just that he could destroy one? If it's the former, he might have a leg up on Arale. If it's the latter, the same was said about Broly (even if he's non-cannon) and also Buu, and the latter isn't really much of an outright feat. Freeza could have destroyed an entire galaxy, it would have just taken him a few decades/centuries.
Avys ~ DA account ~ Fanfiction ~ Chat Quotes <Kaboom> I'm just glad that he now sounds more like Invader Zim than Rita Repulsa
<Xyex> Original Freeza never sounded like a chick to me.
<Kaboom> Neither does Rita
<Xyex> Good point.
Anime Buuhan nearly collapsed the universe in a rage. I might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that's the best feat in Dragon Ball and probably ups anything Arale has done.
What was its most impressive destructive feat? Because according to the guidebooks, character statements, and DBO, even Cell should be stronger than it if those scans that were posted were its best, since Cell can destroy the sun.
The Monkey King wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:
dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
The problem with any of Arale's feats is the fact that they reside in a universe that operates on different rules than that of Dragon Ball's universe. If we look at the panels, the planets are really close together. It's also kinda glaring that you know.... The freakin robot is at least 20% the size of the freakin Sun! The Sun also isn't "breakable".
Hellspawn28 wrote:^I thought it was a solar system? The subs that I watched said that he’d be liable to erase the rest of the solar system.
The subs I saw said Galaxy.
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Toon force reality warping makes it breakable, just as it makes Bugs Bunny nigh-omnipotent.
The Monkey King wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:
dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
Xyex wrote: Arale has done things above and beyond anythingthat anyone in Dragonball has even claimed to be able to do. She is easily the most powerful character that Toriyama ever created.
Actually, Caramel Man #7, #9 (both robots, almost killed Arale), a demon (he almost killed her as well), and enraged Tsun Tsukutsun (a human martial artist that transforms into a humanoid tiger when he is touched by a girl, he was the only one that could beat that demon, but only when angry, it's the guy that looks like Yamcha) were stronger than Arale, and there are also some other guys in Dr. Slump that are close in power with Arale (Caramel Man #1, an alien monster, and the Gatchans), and there are equals with her (Obotchaman/Caramel Man #4 & Abale/Caramel Man #23).
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Arale's feats have nothing to do with power (as in Power Levels, since we're talking DB matters). Zen Buu clearly confirms that she "distorts reality". It's comedy here. Not actual power.
Rocketman wrote:Arale is terrible and this fight is terrible.
Not because of MightyOzaru's feat fetish, but because it's retarded.
feat fetish? I'm just pointing out that her feats aren't exactly quantifiable.
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Rocketman wrote:You constantly talk about feats in every thread. Maybe other people don't like feats as much as you do.
Well, feats give us a clear picture of what they are capable of. I talk about them in strength debates because they are necessary. Power scaling alone doesn't give us enough information sometimes.
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2707-1669-7946
Whis, Beers, SS4 Gogeta, etc can destroy planets & galaxies with ki blasts, but Arale can do that with her fists. No one from Dragon Ball could ever punch a planet and destroy it, and Arale it's possible that Arale is able to destroy a galaxy with her Ncha-cannon.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Whis, Beers, SS4 Gogeta, etc can destroy planets & galaxies with ki blasts, but Arale can do that with her fists. No one from Dragon Ball could ever punch a planet and destroy it, and Arale it's possible that Arale is able to destroy a galaxy with her Ncha-cannon.
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