The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sat Feb 14, 2015 9:09 pm

mysticboy wrote:
In Brightest Day wrote:King Cold, Freeza, Cooler, Kuriza and their entire army vs. The Green Lantern Corps. :P
Cold solos.
The Corps contained Superboy Prime, who is essentially a modern take on Silver-Age Superman. Cold's got nothing on the Corps. They'll just hurl him into a star. This whole matchup is an enormous stomp in the Corps' favor.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by In Brightest Day » Sat Feb 14, 2015 9:19 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:
mysticboy wrote:
In Brightest Day wrote:King Cold, Freeza, Cooler, Kuriza and their entire army vs. The Green Lantern Corps. :P
Cold solos.
The Corps contained Superboy Prime, who is essentially a modern take on Silver-Age Superman. Cold's got nothing on the Corps. They'll just hurl him into a star. This whole matchup is an enormous stomp in the Corps' favor.
I agree. I'm unfamiliar with current DC continuity, though. How powerful are the New 52 GLC now?

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by singsing » Sat Feb 14, 2015 9:22 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:
mysticboy wrote:
In Brightest Day wrote:King Cold, Freeza, Cooler, Kuriza and their entire army vs. The Green Lantern Corps. :P
Cold solos.
The Corps contained Superboy Prime, who is essentially a modern take on Silver-Age Superman. Cold's got nothing on the Corps. They'll just hurl him into a star. This whole matchup is an enormous stomp in the Corps' favor.
Nah dude, SA Superman is on another level.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sat Feb 14, 2015 9:25 pm

singsing wrote: Nah dude, SA Superman is on another level.

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I'm fully aware of Silver Age Superman's "feats." Superboy Prime is the closest anything has gotten to the ye olden days since CoIE.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Hugo Boss » Sat Feb 14, 2015 9:35 pm

voltlunok wrote:They've backed up the lightspeed fists multiple times. Pegasus Seiya, Leo Aiolia and Taurus Harbinger coming to mind.
As a matter of fact, Harbinger is my favorite from Omega, but what he did to back up his fist?
They've also shown how the gold saints and above make the laws of physics cry with stuff like Another Dimension or Galaxian Explosion.
Galaxian Explosion is what bugs me. If something of that kind would be shot in the Earth the Milky Way should collapse.
However there is one thing I'd say that Seiya has in his corner and that is that he has defeated gods. Last I checked, 3. Thanatos, Hypnos and Hades. So 2 minor gods and one of the 12 Olympians. Different god types I know but it still speaks for how I don't think it's as one sided as some would think.
Well, Goku has surpassed at least Earth's God in Dragon Ball. Then, he surpassed even universal gods in the Boo Arc. He was basically fighting to protect the Universe itself and even fought the strongest god from Dragon Ball Z. Seiya was fighting to protect Earth's Goddess and fought one of the three strongest gods from Saint Seiya. Yeah, I guess they could be even.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Sat Feb 14, 2015 9:38 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:
singsing wrote: Nah dude, SA Superman is on another level.

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I'm fully aware of Silver Age Superman's "feats."
Silver Age Superman is overrated. Literally anybody could kick his ass depending on what day of the week it was.
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He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by voltlunok » Sat Feb 14, 2015 10:12 pm

Hugo Boss wrote:
voltlunok wrote:They've backed up the lightspeed fists multiple times. Pegasus Seiya, Leo Aiolia and Taurus Harbinger coming to mind.
As a matter of fact, Harbinger is my favorite from Omega, but what he did to back up his fist?
They've also shown how the gold saints and above make the laws of physics cry with stuff like Another Dimension or Galaxian Explosion.
Galaxian Explosion is what bugs me. If something of that kind would be shot in the Earth the Milky Way should collapse.
However there is one thing I'd say that Seiya has in his corner and that is that he has defeated gods. Last I checked, 3. Thanatos, Hypnos and Hades. So 2 minor gods and one of the 12 Olympians. Different god types I know but it still speaks for how I don't think it's as one sided as some would think.
Well, Goku has surpassed at least Earth's God in Dragon Ball. Then, he surpassed even universal gods in the Boo Arc. He was basically fighting to protect the Universe itself and even fought the strongest god from Dragon Ball Z. Seiya was fighting to protect Earth's Goddess and fought one of the three strongest gods from Saint Seiya. Yeah, I guess they could be even.
Harbinger, when he gained interest in fighting Koga one on one in the house of taurus, used the lightspeed fist to rip open a wormhole and huck the others through it. This is why suddenly the others were fighting Gemini, Cancer and Virgo while Koga was alone with Harbinger in the house of taurus. He even outright states he did that when Koga asks where the others went.

Galaxian Explosion is one of those attacks to show just how high above everyone else the gold saints are. Like I said, a lot of their attacks either make the laws of physics cry or utterly break them.

Saints are interesting fighters and honestly I kinda see them as one of the few things that could pick fights with end of Z fighters and stand a chance of winning.

Seriously, like I said this discussion came up between a group of friends after we watched a bunch of DBZ and saint seiya movies. We actually discussed a lot of match ups. I thought I'd drop this one here to see what others think. I don't wanna clog the forum here up with too much of this. We can talk it out in PM if ya want! :D
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Hugo Boss » Sat Feb 14, 2015 10:48 pm

voltlunok wrote:Harbinger, when he gained interest in fighting Koga one on one in the house of taurus, used the lightspeed fist to rip open a wormhole and huck the others through it.
So basically openning dimensional gaps is a colateral effect of lightspeed movements (or faster) in fiction? Interesting.
Saints are interesting fighters and honestly I kinda see them as one of the few things that could pick fights with end of Z fighters and stand a chance of winning.
I can see that too, but I also feel like classic Saint Seiya lacks Dragon Ball Z's intensity. The Lost Canvas and Omega improved on that, but still I wish to see some Saint Seiya god crushing mountains with the shockwave of his fists.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by singsing » Sat Feb 14, 2015 11:26 pm

KentalSSJ6 wrote:A Buu Saga SSJ4 Goku VS Buuhan
I think the SSJ4 multiplier is truly massive enough for him to take it as long as there's no absorption/candy beam.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Saiga » Sat Feb 14, 2015 11:43 pm

KentalSSJ6 wrote:A Buu Saga SSJ4 Goku VS Buuhan
Goku destroys Boohan. I use a 40,000 x multiplier for that, so he'd be like 10 x stronger than Super Vegetto.
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Post by Lord Beerus » Sun Feb 15, 2015 1:32 am

KentalSSJ6 wrote:A Buu Saga SSJ4 Goku VS Buuhan
SSJ4 Goku stomps

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Post by Bullza » Sun Feb 15, 2015 3:11 am

Under the assumption that Battle of Gods and GT took place in different verses then how about

Beerus vs Omega Shenron

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Post by voltlunok » Sun Feb 15, 2015 1:31 pm

Bullza wrote:Under the assumption that Battle of Gods and GT took place in different verses then how about

Beerus vs Omega Shenron
After a very long battle that costs the galaxy at least 4 planets, I think Beerus would win but just barely. Omega is no real pushover, it took a spirit bomb with energy from the whole galaxy to put him down, so I think Beerus would struggle some against the big bad dragon. Plus Omega has a durability advantage in my opinion due to the size difference between the two.
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Post by Bullza » Sun Feb 15, 2015 3:18 pm

Wasn't it a Universal Spirit Bomb?

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by voltlunok » Sun Feb 15, 2015 3:31 pm

I've learned in Dragon Ball the terms universe and galaxy can be interchangeable but yes. It was the whole universe but the issue was we only saw energy drawn from planets within the galaxy the dragon balls scattered to. Now the rest could have come from offscreen for all I know but I say galaxy to be a little safe.
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Post by Lord Beerus » Sun Feb 15, 2015 6:35 pm

Bullza wrote:Under the assumption that Battle of Gods and GT took place in different verses then how about

Beerus vs Omega Shenron
Uhhhh... :think:

Flips a coin

Omega Shenron

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Post by SSJ2FutureGohan » Sun Feb 15, 2015 6:42 pm

KentalSSJ6 wrote:A Buu Saga SSJ4 Goku VS Buuhan
Super Saiyan 4 brings a Saiyan's power to it's limits, right?

Gohan-Buu > (Ultimate) Gohan (faa~ar beyond limits) >> Gohan (limits) > Goku (limits)


Assuming it's the "10x SSJ 3" multiplier, the latter still stomps, with or without Gohan absorbed.

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Post by Kid Buu » Mon Feb 16, 2015 2:33 am

The Invisible Man enters the 21st Budokai instead of Ran Fan. How does that fare?
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Mon Feb 16, 2015 2:36 am

Kid Buu wrote:The Invisible Man enters the 21st Budokai instead of Ran Fan. How does that fare?
Badly. Yamcha was able to defeat him, so Nam should have absolutely no trouble.
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He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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