"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Shinda Forever]

What chapter and page is this?

Hint: if you can't find it shut up

Page? It was in the movie.

I think what they're referring to is that since the Resurrection F portion was never done in the DBS Manga, Goku mocking Golden Freeza about losing stamina is not canon to the events of the DBS Manga. So your comment on it isn't a mess for the manga.

Alright, but, the movie was canon according to Toriyama. Toyataro manga is not the continuation of the manga.

[OLKv3]

Page? It was in the movie.

I think what they're referring to is that since the Resurrection F portion was never done in the DBS Manga, Goku mocking Golden Freeza about losing stamina is not canon to the events of the DBS Manga. So your comment on it isn't a mess for the manga.

Alright, but, the movie was canon according to Toriyama. Toyataro manga is not the continuation of the manga.

Toyotaro's manga is a continuation of the DB manga. All the advertising shows this, as well as Toriyama constantly calling him his successor
The anime is also a continuation of it, but also includes changes from DBZ like Bulma/Ginyu, Gregory, and History of Trunks

I have no doubt that the manga follows the RoF canon. Goku and Vegeta aren't hypocrites though. In the anime/manga, Goku and Vegeta know about SSB's weakness. Freeza didn't. Freeza just rushed off without knowing the limitations of his own form, and that's what they mocked him for. Not that his form was draining, but that he wasn't even aware of his own form's flaws.

[Shinda Forever]

I think what they're referring to is that since the Resurrection F portion was never done in the DBS Manga, Goku mocking Golden Freeza about losing stamina is not canon to the events of the DBS Manga. So your comment on it isn't a mess for the manga.

Alright, but, the movie was canon according to Toriyama. Toyataro manga is not the continuation of the manga.

Toyotaro's manga is a continuation of the DB manga. All the advertising shows this, as well as Toriyama constantly calling him his successor
The anime is also a continuation of it, but also includes changes from DBZ like Bulma/Ginyu, Gregory, and History of Trunks

I have no doubt that the manga follows the RoF canon. Goku and Vegeta aren't hypocrites though. In the anime/manga, Goku and Vegeta know about SSB's weakness. Freeza didn't. Freeza just rushed off without knowing the limitations of his own form, and that's what they mocked him for. Not that his form was draining, but that he wasn't even aware of his own form's flaws.

I know the reason why they mocked him for, but, thanks anyway.

[OLKv3]

Alright, but, the movie was canon according to Toriyama. Toyataro manga is not the continuation of the manga.

Toyotaro's manga is a continuation of the DB manga. All the advertising shows this, as well as Toriyama constantly calling him his successor
The anime is also a continuation of it, but also includes changes from DBZ like Bulma/Ginyu, Gregory, and History of Trunks

I have no doubt that the manga follows the RoF canon. Goku and Vegeta aren't hypocrites though. In the anime/manga, Goku and Vegeta know about SSB's weakness. Freeza didn't. Freeza just rushed off without knowing the limitations of his own form, and that's what they mocked him for. Not that his form was draining, but that he wasn't even aware of his own form's flaws.

I know the reason why they mocked him for, but, thanks anyway.

???Then why are you saying SSB having a strain ruins that???

[Miracles]

Page? It was in the movie.

I think what they're referring to is that since the Resurrection F portion was never done in the DBS Manga, Goku mocking Golden Freeza about losing stamina is not canon to the events of the DBS Manga. So your comment on it isn't a mess for the manga.

Alright, but, the movie was canon according to Toriyama. Toyataro manga is not the continuation of the manga.

Where did Toriyama state this?
Cause the manga definitely follows BOG and ROF movies.

[Basako]

I think what they're referring to is that since the Resurrection F portion was never done in the DBS Manga, Goku mocking Golden Freeza about losing stamina is not canon to the events of the DBS Manga. So your comment on it isn't a mess for the manga.

Alright, but, the movie was canon according to Toriyama. Toyataro manga is not the continuation of the manga.

Where did Toriyama state this?
Cause the manga definitely follows BOG and ROF movies.

The manga is not following the movies, it retold BoG, as the anime did, with substantial differences like fighting the whole battle in SSG and other minor ones like taking place in the cruise ship. RoF was skipped, but the same would apply, they are different continuities, different versions of the same main ideas.

The manga is following the manga, we have In-universe evidences like ignoring Gregory, an only anime character. It has been stated as a sequel to Toriyama's Dragon Ball, which was the manga. Also, they are the same medium and Toriyama corrects his work.

https://youtu.be/Ti89i2EZjWE

[Nero<>Akira]

the anime and manga are both canon and interquels to the original DB manga. two different interpretations though. the manga is still also an adaptation of the show which is the primary canon for the story. the movies are also canon in some way shape or form since the first two arcs of Super are just retellings made to make the show feel more complete. i barely take the retellings as actual events except for the additions like the first 4 DBS epsiodes, power levels and added training montages.

[Basako]

the anime and manga are both canon and interquels to the original DB manga. two different interpretations though. the manga is still also an adaptation of the show which is the primary canon for the story. the movies are also canon in some way shape or form since the first two arcs of Super are just retellings made to make the show feel more complete. i barely take the retellings as actual events except for the additions like the first 4 DBS epsiodes, power levels and added training montages.

Well, the anime may be the main product, but being main canon is arguable. As canon really has never been established officially, I prefer to speak about continuities. There are mainly three continuities as DB story interquels.

The movies, including Tarble special.
The anime.
The manga.

The three of them are their own thing. They share some things, but have important differences with each other which make them impossible to be from the same continutlity.

[Nero<>Akira]

the anime and manga are both canon and interquels to the original DB manga. two different interpretations though. the manga is still also an adaptation of the show which is the primary canon for the story. the movies are also canon in some way shape or form since the first two arcs of Super are just retellings made to make the show feel more complete. i barely take the retellings as actual events except for the additions like the first 4 DBS epsiodes, power levels and added training montages.

Well, the anime may be the main product, but being main canon is arguable. As canon really has never been established officially, I prefer to speak about continuities. There are mainly three continuities as DB story interquels.

The movies, including Tarble special.
The anime.
The manga.

The three of them are their own thing. They share some things, but have important differences with each other which make them impossible to be from the same continutlity.

I understand what you're saying in regards to the continuity. Of course the manga and anime of Super cannot completely co-exist but they are both effectively canon with the anime for it being the main one. I honestly think it's brilliant and is a form of meta-narrative storytelling that ties into the the mirror universe concept introduced within the series. They're both a pair with similarities and differences while being a part of a multiversal entity.

[Lord Beerus]

The list of the top 50 best selling comics of the week in Japan was released by Oricon, and the Super manga was nowhere to be found in the top 50.

[MyNiggaGoku]

As long as the 2 movies are considered a continuation of the original manga,then the DBS manga is a follow up to these movies as well as the original manga.

The manga had a BoG arc that left a lot to be desired and completely skipped RoF.At first I was okay with that decision since I considered RoF to be useless,but now that Freeza is back again,it serves a purpose.That's why my personal canon when it comes to Super is its original arcs(U6,F.Trunks & US),the manga versions to be exact.

For me,DBZ ends with RoF with the manga's U6 arc acting as a follow up to that film.

In the end of the day,everyone is allowed to make their own canon since we are granted with multiple versions of the same story.Peace.

[Shinda Forever]

Toyotaro's manga is a continuation of the DB manga. All the advertising shows this, as well as Toriyama constantly calling him his successor
The anime is also a continuation of it, but also includes changes from DBZ like Bulma/Ginyu, Gregory, and History of Trunks

I have no doubt that the manga follows the RoF canon. Goku and Vegeta aren't hypocrites though. In the anime/manga, Goku and Vegeta know about SSB's weakness. Freeza didn't. Freeza just rushed off without knowing the limitations of his own form, and that's what they mocked him for. Not that his form was draining, but that he wasn't even aware of his own form's flaws.

I know the reason why they mocked him for, but, thanks anyway.

???Then why are you saying SSB having a strain ruins that???

In the movie, it wasn't stated that ssb had a weakness, on the contrary, it was supposed to be flawless, we only find out about its weakness when Goku fights Hitto.

[OLKv3]

I know the reason why they mocked him for, but, thanks anyway.

???Then why are you saying SSB having a strain ruins that???

In the movie, it wasn't stated that ssb had a weakness, on the contrary, it was supposed to be flawless, we only find out about its weakness when Goku fights Hitto.

It's funny, because the exact same thing happened with SSJ. It had no strain, then suddenly in the Android arc it had a strain.
Which leads to the only possible conclusion: Fighting Freeza eliminates strain from SSJ forms

[Shinda Forever]

???Then why are you saying SSB having a strain ruins that???

In the movie, it wasn't stated that ssb had a weakness, on the contrary, it was supposed to be flawless, we only find out about its weakness when Goku fights Hitto.

It's funny, because the exact same thing happened with SSJ. It had no strain, then suddenly in the Android arc it had a strain.
Which leads to the only possible conclusion: Fighting Freeza eliminates strain from SSJ forms

Exactly!

[LightBing]

It's funny, because the exact same thing happened with SSJ. It had no strain, then suddenly in the Android arc it had a strain.
Which leads to the only possible conclusion: Fighting Freeza eliminates strain from SSJ forms

SSJ strain is nothing like SSJB. They never made a big deal out of it, they never mentioned it burned up ki at any meaningful rate. In fact Goku preferred the transformation because it already was better than the grades(efficiency wise), that's why he mastered it to the maximum.

When a transformation burned significant ki Mr.Toriyama always informed us. 100% Freeza, SSJ3, SSJ Grades and Golden Freeza. SSJ was never put on the same level as these.

So let's not put SSJ and SSJB in the same bag.

[ekrolo2]

SSJBs flaw is just another stance change Toriyama's done, it shouldn't surprise anyone. The anime's just chosen to ignore it most of them time and only bring it up out of convenience whereas the manga's kept it a major factor for better or worse.

[Dragonballgod19]

Does the raw chapter get released this weak

[OLKv3]

Does the raw chapter get released this weak

Next week

[LightBing]

SSJBs flaw is just another stance change Toriyama's done, it shouldn't surprise anyone. The anime's just chosen to ignore it most of them time and only bring it up out of convenience whereas the manga's kept it a major factor for better or worse.

I'm really curious to know who's at fault - or more at fault - for the miscommunication. Mr.Toriyama clearly changed his mind regarding the power-scale and SSJB when we entered Super.

Toyotarõ didn't mess up the new normal - Beerus is very far away -, yet Toei did. Even thought for the longest time the manga was ahead of the anime. It's pretty weird.

I much prefer it this way. In Dragon Ball, with each arc Goku just dwarfed the previous villain, the sin of ridiculous power bloating. Fortunately this inst a problem in the Super manga. Beerus still is, like he should be, relevant. God Tier still matters.

The way the movies were going, if we had one or two more, Goku and Vegeta would have definitely surpassed Beerus.

[Dragonballgod19]

Does the raw chapter get released this weak

Next week

Ok