Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

[KentalSSJ6]

Salagir REALLY needs to get ahold of Gogeta Jr. again. That or make Charlotte the series's full time artist.

[Fionordequester]

...Am I the only one who doesn't get the big deal? I mean, the art isn't good, but we've had worse without people complaining nearly as much ?

[TheMightyOzaru]

I bet there would be less negativity if these pages were released in chapters as opposed to 1 page every few days.

[KaiserNeko]

Because the ONLY THING THAT WAS EVER GOOD ABOUT THIS FAN-MANGA WAS THE ART.

The fights have been lame, uncreative, and poorly paced.

The story was just one giant setup for these poorly done fights.

Without the art, it just becomes... completely uninspired garbage.

This fan-comic sucks. It captures none of the spirit of DragonBall and it's art was the only thing that made it any good, even if the angles were totally boring and the plot terrible.

[KentalSSJ6]

Because the ONLY THING THAT WAS EVER GOOD ABOUT THIS FAN-MANGA WAS THE ART.

The fights have been lame, uncreative, and poorly paced.

The story was just one giant setup for these poorly done fights.

Without the art, it just becomes... completely uninspired garbage.

This fan-comic sucks. It captures none of the spirit of DragonBall and it's art was the only thing that made it any good, even if the angles were totally boring and the plot terrible.

I actually enjoyed it during its early stages. The Vegito VS Broly fight (which I still hate because of the fact they used Uber Hacks Broly) was very well drawn and paced. Trunks VS Cooler was nice, as was Pan VS Bojack, Nail VS Recoome, and the other early fights. But since Gogeta Jr.'s departure, the only artist I could see saving this series is Charlotte, who did the recent Vegito special.

[Godo]

I understood the joke, didn't find it that funny, but it sounds like how Gotenks would act with his high self-confidence.
The art in itself isn't horrible, so it doesn't bother me too much.
But yeah, it is going downhill.

[testing223]

I don't understand why people are having a hard time getting the joke.

Could you explain please?!!

[rereboy]

...Am I the only one who doesn't get the big deal? I mean, the art isn't good, but we've had worse without people complaining nearly as much ?

You are not the only one. Like usual, the topic just keeps going with new complains about the art, pacing, and whatnot, complains that have been voiced a thousand times before, but that doesn't seem to stop anyone from voicing and recycling the same complains over and over again.

Meanwhile, "everyone" seems to forget that this fan manga, despite its flaws, is one of the better fan mangas out there with quality clearly above average at every level, and that its slow release schedule is something that is necessary since they work on it in their free time and as such they either release a few pages per week or a chapter every few months.

Because the ONLY THING THAT WAS EVER GOOD ABOUT THIS FAN-MANGA WAS THE ART.

The fights have been lame, uncreative, and poorly paced.

The story was just one giant setup for these poorly done fights.

Without the art, it just becomes... completely uninspired garbage.

This fan-comic sucks. It captures none of the spirit of DragonBall and it's art was the only thing that made it any good, even if the angles were totally boring and the plot terrible.

I disagree. To me its clearly one of the better fan mangas out there and I enjoy following it despite its flaws. It confuses me that someone can think so poorly of this fan manga and still follow it. I just drop things that I find terrible, poorly done, lame, poorly paced and complete uninspired garbage.

I don't understand why people are having a hard time getting the joke.

Could you explain please?!!

What didn't you understand? Gotenks got on the ring, acted like he was a random fan of Super Gotenks, stepped quickly to the side and continued the speech now talking as himself (Super Gotenks).

[Fionordequester]

What didn't you understand? Gotenks got on the ring, acted like he was a random fan of Super Gotenks, stepped quickly to the side and continued the speech now talking as himself (Super Gotenks).

That's what I got out of it. Heck, Gotenk's himself may have made the floor crack on purpose so he could have his little "fan" moment.

EDIT: Of course...that's a joke that doesn't really work if you imagine it actually happening. It couldn't have been done instantly like the panel implies if "Fan!Gotenks" has to take all that time asking his question.

[Godo]

Meanwhile, "everyone" seems to forget that this fan manga, despite its flaws, is one of the better fan mangas out there with quality clearly above average at every level, and that its slow release schedule is something that is necessary since they work on it in their free time and as such they either release a few pages per week or a chapter every few months.

I understand your point, but just because of that something is the best we can get, doesn't mean that it is necessarily good.

I enjoy DBM at times, but I too agree with that the quality of the art and the writing has decreased by a fair amount.
Mostly I am here writing this because of that I am bored. The same would go for the reason why I read DBM.

[rereboy]

And I totally understand that. There are forms of entertainment WAAAAAYYYY better than DBM out there. But I do like to see fairness in the way things are treated and criticized.

[goku the krump dancer]

I dont get the joke but I dont think the art is bad either.

[Lozjudai]

Oh god the art!! I know i`m beating a dead horse here but why didn't salagir get another artist?

[Scarz]

Going to have to disagree with you, KaiserNeko. DBM is one of the very, very, few Dragon Ball fan comics out there that is not only fun to read but is quite interesting at points and entertaining. Yes, it has flaws and I'm not just talking about the art. There are moments in the story where it lags a bit and most specials are pretty pointless. But the main fights are actually really well thought out and cool to read. Vegetto vs. Broly (I know, I know, its Broly), Pan vs. Bojack, Trunks vs. Vegeta, just to name a few.

DBM simply does it's job to entertain and it's doing it well. We tend to bitch and complain a lot about the comic but so many of us are still reading it week after week. Commenting on the good and certainly the bad parts of it. I won't go as far and say it's my favorite fanmanga of all time but it's definitely one the few enjoyable ones I follow.

[RandomGuy96]

I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic, in an attempt to dismiss the people pointing out how bad the art is.

[Scarz]

I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic, in an attempt to dismiss the people pointing out how bad the art is.

I kind of guessed, but I wasn't sure.

[KaiserNeko]

Um... I wasn't being sarcastic at all.

I legitimately feel like this webcomic sucks.

Look, I understand the sort of creativity it brings to the table, but we've yet to see it truly well implemented. Short of a couple of inspired match-ups and a piece or two of interesting character interaction, it's mostly just been schlock to me.

The art here is -awful- and without the clean, adequate art we had before, it's just a bunch of poor interpretations of the characters getting into fights with one another, while some contrived drama happens between them. The Broly stuff was awful, the Vegetto turning evil stuff (while fascinating) is being handled in a totally boring manner...

The thing that's really killing the fights for me are that they're just... so plain. The angles are always the same, they never get creative with them. Nothing ever feels like it has real energy or flow.

The thing about this isn't that it's bad overall. It's generally mediocre. It's that it has so many components that could make it so much better than it is and they're being squandered. That's why it sucks, to me.

Oh, and also, it completely lacks the Toriyama feel.

[RandomGuy96]

Um... I wasn't being sarcastic at all.

I legitimately feel like this webcomic sucks.

Oh, good. But you can see how "Because the ONLY THING THAT WAS EVER GOOD ABOUT THIS FAN-MANGA WAS THE ART" can come off as sarcastic, especially when it looks like it's in response to everyone complaining about it.

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The thing about this isn't that it's bad overall. It's generally mediocre. It's that it has so many components that could make it so much better than it is and they're being squandered. That's why it sucks, to me.

I agree with this. In general, for me, it's kind of like GT- some good ideas, often horrendous execution. Like the idea of the multiversal tournament in general.

[TonyTheTiger]

Dabra vs. Cell was the best fight in DBM, I think. But that was back when it was consistently top notch. Even Gogeta Jr. got more conservative with the artwork later on. In fact, the comic lampshades the change. It happens right after Vegetto vs. Broly and the arena is lit up to a daytime setting. The detail dramatically drops after that.

There were some good fights and nifty ideas that are extrapolated from details we already know. The way Trunks mastered the Super Saiyan grades is something that, while essentially "made up," is properly grounded in Dragon Ball lore while also being unexpected. But DBM tends to oscillate between these plausible "ah ha!" surprises and completely random "WTF" surprises that either induce a lot of fridge logic or just plain don't add up at all when stacked against the original manga/anime. And then there are the times where it deviates from the tone and spirit of Dragon Ball itself (Psycho Vegetto, random F-bombs, a good number of the specials).

For the record, super strong Broly is one of the few "WTF" surprises that doesn't bother me. In fact, the part that bothers me the most about him would be the strained effort to jam him into the canon in the first place. But the way his powers are explained doesn't bug me so much because Toei did a piss poor job at explaining what a "Legendary" Super Saiyan was to begin with. DBM's explanation arguably makes more sense.

[Tzigi]

why didn't salagir get another artist?

Maybe because it isn't easy to find someone to draw a whole chapter of quality manga for free and under a tight schedule?

t's just a bunch of poor interpretations of the characters getting into fights with one another, (...)
Oh, and also, it completely lacks the Toriyama feel.

For me it's one of the few fan-comics that has the exact Toriyama feel (other then DBM there's also Toyble's last chapter and a few parts of his DBAF). But my question is: how would you do it? From what you write, you seem to have strong convictions on this topic and I'd be really interested to know how would you make DBM better - add some "Toriyama feel", improve the "poor interpretations of the characters". Please go ahead and explain.