Dragonball Z: Saiyan Saga - Help make this happen!

[ChahikoDBZ]

Either way guys, hell of a lot better than DBE's Yamcha. Don't you agree?

[Gonstead]

Either way guys, hell of a lot better than DBE's Yamcha. Don't you agree?

That's for certain

Now I'm wondering how the hell they're going to handle something like an Oozaru. It better at least look somewhat decent if it's CGI.

[Jackal puFF]

Either way guys, hell of a lot better than DBE's Yamcha. Don't you agree?

That's for certain

Now I'm wondering how the hell they're going to handle something like an Oozaru. It better at least look somewhat decent if it's CGI.

I remember them saying there won't be an Oozaru in an interview.

[ChahikoDBZ]

^ Damn. That would have been epic if they were able to pull off a descent Oozaru.

[Attitudefan]

I really like Yamcha! I think that's their best! That's obvious to the reason they chose him for that small demo.

I don't mind his shirt. It could be closer to the Manga/Anime but I enjoy it. It looks really good.

[Nex Carnifex]

If there is ever a Dragon Ball Z movie I want to direct it

[dbboxkaifan]

Have they given a response about the copyright issue to the public?

[Pafupafu]

Have they given a response about the copyright issue to the public?

The public isn't obligated to hear anything about what copyright issues go on behind the scenes. As far as I know, FUNimation and Toei Ltd. HAVE contacted IndieGoGo and are more than likely going to seek damages from the website for hosting these idiots.

[SSJSteve]

As far as I know, FUNimation and Toei Ltd. HAVE contacted IndieGoGo and are more than likely going to seek damages from the website for hosting these idiots.

How do you know that? Do you have any proof?

[Avenged]

He doesn't, I think he's just angry that this project is being made. He has had nothing but negative views towards it, I wouldn't doubt it if he tried to contact someone at TOEI or FUNi about this. If I am wrong, then please provide proof. But huh, you even contradicted yourself...

The public isn't obligated to hear anything about what copyright issues go on behind the scenes.

Hate to break it to ya, but you're the "public" as well. Just Saiyan.

[Attitudefan]

I have no idea why this guy is going out of his way to really put a stop to this. It makes no sense! Let FUNi or Toei deal with it on their own. hey are big successful businesses and if anything is infringing anything than I am sure they have enough resources to put a stop to it, themselves!

[Pafupafu]

I have no idea why this guy is going out of his way to really put a stop to this. It makes no sense! Let FUNi or Toei deal with it on their own. hey are big successful businesses and if anything is infringing anything than I am sure they have enough resources to put a stop to it, themselves!

I'm not going out of my way at all buddy. Trust me. I've seen copyright lawsuits over $50 before. I clearly just pointed out the illegal nature of this project and its misuse of a valuable asset to the independent film community. I have good relations with IndieGoGo and brought their attention to this because of the potential damages it may do. Any person with any idea of how copyright infringement cases usually work with big businesses would know that it is in the best interest of FUNi and Toei to let this project play out to its most profitable state and then build their case and seek even MORE money. Basically, the more successful the project, the bigger the lawsuit. The bigger the lawsuit, the more money these "producers" will have to pay in court fees. The bigger the lawsuit, the bigger the pay out for the big businesses. So essentially, the hope of FUNi and Toei is that these guys take that $16,000 and release it to more profit. FUNi and Toei can then sweep in, take ALL of the money and put this whole fiasco to bed. It's how just about every case goes. It's a shame because in the end, this project will more than likely destroy the production company misusing the brand name illegally.

[Pafupafu]

He doesn't, I think he's just angry that this project is being made. He has had nothing but negative views towards it, I wouldn't doubt it if he tried to contact someone at TOEI or FUNi about this. If I am wrong, then please provide proof. But huh, you even contradicted yourself...

The public isn't obligated to hear anything about what copyright issues go on behind the scenes.

Hate to break it to ya, but you're the "public" as well. Just Saiyan.

I was referring that any official lawsuit filed does not have to be publically announced by either party. I am part of the general public, but unlike most people, I also have extensive knowledge in the entertainment copyright division and found it appropriate to share this information with people who are not. My negativity towards the project comes from its misuse of an established website company that will be negatively affected by these guys bypassing their DMCA laws and policies. Also, I am very familiar with the Dragon Ball brand as I am on a fan forum obviously. I appreciate the fact that someone is trying to make a Dragon Ball film. What I don't appreciate is the sly and illegal process this production company has gone through to attempt to make it. They are potentially damaging an amazing asset to the independent film community and the companies that bring this beloved series to us fans.

I've said this a BILLION times now, every one is entitled to their own opinions about whether this project is necessary but the policies of IndieGoGo and the DMCA and United States Copyright law clearly define this project as illegal. Plain and simple.

[DerekPadula]

... The policies of IndieGoGo and the DMCA and United States Copyright law clearly define this project as illegal. Plain and simple.

Does it matter that they are in the UK and fall outside of US copyright law? Are the laws any different?

[Attitudefan]

Copyright laws are generally universal as far as I know. That was the whole point to copyright in the first place; other people cannot steal what somebody else made first no matter where one comes from.

[Bussani]

Copyright laws are generally universal as far as I know. That was the whole point to copyright in the first place; other people cannot steal what somebody else made first no matter where one comes from.

Not so. Russia and Sweden have very different copyright laws from the US. In fact, even the UK's are slightly different, since that kid who was extradited to the US for copyright violation didn't actually break any British laws. However, I don't know enough about England's copyright laws to answer DerekPadula's question.

[Pafupafu]

Copyright laws are generally universal as far as I know. That was the whole point to copyright in the first place; other people cannot steal what somebody else made first no matter where one comes from.

Not so. Russia and Sweden have very different copyright laws from the US. In fact, even the UK's are slightly different, since that kid who was extradited to the US for copyright violation didn't actually break any British laws. However, I don't know enough about England's copyright laws to answer DerekPadula's question.

Doesn't matter where they actually produce the project, they listed it publicly to United States website users when they used IndieGoGo to make $15,000+. They could release the final film in Guam and still get hit by FUNi for the initial funding infringement. Some copyright laws are based upon Language as well which is why FUNi plays such a large role in this. I don't think these guys are going to release this in another language other than English. Do they speak English in England?


The only way to get away with not getting sued royally for the RELEASE portion only,(they already violated FUNimaton and Toei with the IndieGoGo platform infringement) is to release this in a Language not currently the property of any rights holder of Dragon Ball (unlikely) and in a country/region where there is no zone of distribution owned (VERY unlikely).

I could very well see FUNimation attacking IndieGoGo more so than the actual Producers. However, IndieGoGo's policies clearly state that any user is solely responsible for adhering to the laws of the DMCA. The situation will more than likely unfold like so:

1. Producers release Saiyan Saga trailer (if not court ordered to cease production before hand)
2. After profit peaks, FUNimation moves in and shuts down the trailer's existence on profitable websites/distribution markets
3. FUNimation prepares cases for Producers and IndieGoGo, gathering all records of profit and monetary loss
4. IndieGoGo, with clear DMCA laws is not liable for any monetary loss by FUNimation.
5. FUNimation sues Producers for all recorded profit based on usage of Brand Name "Dragon Ball".
6. IndieGoGo sues Producers for misuse of policies and terms and FUNimation court fees.
7. Settlement results in Producers owing $16,000 to both IndieGoGo AND FUNimation plus damages (double-violation, possibly 2 cases)
8. Settlement also results in Producers owing all recorded profit from Project Release/Distribution to FUNimation plus damages


The bottom line is Copyright Infringement is NEVER a good idea. ESPECIALLY for what is clearly not a major Production Company.

[Avenged]

Actually, if any company is going to put a stop to this it would be 20th Century FOX seeing how they still own the rights to produce a DragonBall movie.

[Pafupafu]

Actually, if any company is going to put a stop to this it would be 20th Century FOX seeing how they still own the rights to produce a DragonBall movie.

Correct however that is secondary to copyright of the actual brand itself. They are just another company that can potentially sue for damages and monetary loss. They can also sue for defamation of their film DragonBall Evolution. Basically any one who has paid money to produce or distribute Dragon Ball media can sue these guys. However, the one true and undisputed case of infringement came when the Producers listed a video containing actual footage of the series owned by FUNimation and Toei respectively as a means to promote their project. But yes, in essence, FOX can also take this project down based on the fact that this is a presumably larger-than-youtube release of a film using the brand DragonBall.


It's actually very disheartening to root for these Producers to get this thing made successfully. The more success they have, the more lawsuits will come their way.

[Attitudefan]

Now that you think about it, isn't Team Four Star profiting from DBZ:A? I mean, they are selling merchandise that clearly has copyrighted characters and phrases from the show and they're getting away with it. Plus, they use it for the show. So it isn't non-profit at all!

I think I did bring this subject up once but it was ignored. I think they even were selling a shirt that had a Yoshi on it in reference to the Piccolo=Yoshi line from episode 2. Seriously, that's bad. I think that is worse than what these guys are doing in breaking the law and TFS is in the USA!