VIZ 3-in-1 Editions Coming Summer 2013

[Gyt Kaliba]

Though I understand the gripes, I find it interesting how certain people who have been wanting an uncensored release of the manga for years, are now backing out after Viz's announcement. Yeah... I get it, the lack of color and use of lower-quality paper suck. But we're finally getting it uncensored, it's almost worth the trade-off. I'm not too worried about the lower quality printing, because I actually take care of my shit. Years of collecting comic books has prepared me for this.

I hope they end up releasing this in its entirely and don't drop it, because we probably won't get another physical release of the manga again. The future is digital.

For me at least, I was pretty happy with the VizBigs already (The few I have, and enough so to know I want the rest of them), so it's not really 'backing off' for me. I was never fully interested in this release as a possible purchase for myself. I just kind of hoped it would be good for the people that want it, and so far it's actually looking like it will be - outside of that paper quality.

I'm not exactly rough with my stuff either, but I'm...for lack of a better term, a big re-reader. If I really like something, there's a good chance I'm going to re-read it at least once a year if not more so, with regular books. With manga, that number goes up even further, because sometimes I just need something to have on hand and read on a trip somewhere, or just to have on hand if my car breaks down. My point is, my printed material gets flipped through, a lot. And with paper as bad as these three-in-ones are gonna have, they would not survive very long in my care even with being careful. That's the issue I have with them.

And on an off note, as someone that really enjoys having an actual product in my hands, I am really, really dreading the digital future we seem to be heading towards very quickly. Ugh.

But, again, I wasn't gonna buy them anyway - though if it had been getting even a little less liberal of a translation, color pages, title pages where they go, and all of that on good paper, I'd be SORELY tempted - so my opinion only goes so far. If you wanna buy it, go right ahead, I just hope that the paper really isn't that big a deal for you when you get it.

[Tullece]

Now Viz, take my money. Glad I held out on buying the manga till this point.

[theoriginalbilis]

The first 3-in-1 volume is $8.89 for pre-order on Amazon.com right now. I think it's definitely worth a gamble at that price.

http://amzn.to/Xvdkxf

[Saiyan Prince Vegeta]

Well I'll be buying these, mainly as a collector, but I hope in the end they'll be worth it. I hope they get rid of the stupid names like Djinn Boo, Vegerot, Pocus and the H-word though.

[rereboy]

I don't like any changes to Toriyama's original art, it just really bothers me. If Toriyama wanted the thugs to have lazer guns, they would have had them, and if he wanted Bulma to be wearing a bra, she would have. Would you be bothered if they changed Goku's clothes, and gave him a different hair cut? It wouldn't change the story, and it would have the same meaning, right?

You are comparing pointless changes to changes that actually have a point. I don't think I need to state the difference between your examples and what was changed in the release.

[Duo]

Not that I quite have a reason to buy this, but I hope that they doctor the gray-scale chapters to look a little cleaner then in some of the later-printed Z volumes.

You do? They alter a character's name to another one that still fits and the rest of the release is pretty good, but it doesn't matter... All those volumes and their quality is ruined and doesn't deserve to be bought because the character's name is not the original?

See, to me that doesn't make sense at all. Sure, I'd rather have the original name, but why is that so important? The pun or joke of his name is lost in the translation but besides that and besides the compulsive urge to have the original what does it matter? Just imagine that you didn't know that the character's name was not the original. What did you lose? How did the product suffer? The pun of his name was lost. Period. There are no more practical consequences whatsoever.

As long as the release is a good one, I'd rather be thankful for having a quality release of a manga that I love in my own country and in my own language than stressing about details that at the end of the day don't even matter. Most countries don't even have a DB release after all.

It wasn't just the name - that was the point where greater levels of censorship began to occur and more dialogue was mistranslated on a regular basis. The "Boo the Djinn" volumes as a whole are an inferior product in comparison to the rest of the series as far as respect to the original work goes. I hold value in that. I realize that it is still mostly readable, and I can tell you that those books are still on my shelf right nearby. But as a long-time fan of the series, I always make my friends whom read it aware that those volumes have problems and provide corrective information. I should not have to do that while the rest of the series they released has almost no issues.

[UpFromTheSkies]

I don't like any changes to Toriyama's original art, it just really bothers me. If Toriyama wanted the thugs to have lazer guns, they would have had them, and if he wanted Bulma to be wearing a bra, she would have. Would you be bothered if they changed Goku's clothes, and gave him a different hair cut? It wouldn't change the story, and it would have the same meaning, right?

You are comparing pointless changes to changes that actually have a point. I don't think I need to state the difference between your examples and what was changed in the release.

What's the point of Gokus hair, or his clothes? His hair is messy looking because he's a wild kid that lives in the mountains, but they could still make it messy and change the style. And there are other martial arts gi's they could give him, so it would still get the meaning across that he was a martial artist.

By your logic, it's perfectly fine to change anything in the manga as long as it doesn't change the meaning of it. I disagree with this. Dragonball is Toriyama's art, don't change it.

[UpFromTheSkies]

The one currently being made is actually very good, you should check it out, I'm sure you know where to find it.

This one, you mean?

Sorry I missed this. I didn't want to mention any names and promote a scanlation considering the rules here against bootlegs. I never said fan translations are perfect, they might have a little mistake here and there, but they never make the mistake of Americanizing or censoring, which I find absolutely intolerable.

[VegettoEX]

You keep saying Viz is "Americanizing" things (and apparently to some huge degree...?), but I don't know what examples you're talking about.

You've got Viz "Americanizing" on one side, and this fan translation making laughable amateur mistakes on the other side, so you clearly shouldn't like either of them at all and find them both inexcusable.

[Duo]

You keep saying Viz is "Americanizing" things (and apparently to some huge degree...?), but I don't know what examples you're talking about.

You've got Viz "Americanizing" on one side, and this fan translation making laughable amateur mistakes on the other side, so you clearly shouldn't like either of them at all and find them both inexcusable.

I certainly felt as though it was over-Americanized when I read Kuririn using his Kienzan on Freeza-sama. The nerve of Viz to alienate the original version like that, I tell you.

[UpFromTheSkies]

I don't have the Viz books anymore, I got rid of them, and it was years ago that I had them, so I can't give a direct example, but I distinctly remember them Americanizing dialouge, adding American slang and whatnot, which really annoyed me.

If Viz would put out a better translation, one that was more direct without any censoring, I would buy it up. I would love to have a quality, physical copy of the manga in English to place alongside my Japanese tankubons.

[UpFromTheSkies]

You keep saying Viz is "Americanizing" things (and apparently to some huge degree...?), but I don't know what examples you're talking about.

You've got Viz "Americanizing" on one side, and this fan translation making laughable amateur mistakes on the other side, so you clearly shouldn't like either of them at all and find them both inexcusable.

I certainly felt as though it was over-Americanized when I read Kuririn using his Kienzan on Freeza-sama. The nerve of Viz to alienate the original version like that, I tell you.

Is that the language they used? I only read their first volume of Dragonball, and hated it, so I never read any further.

[Duo]

Is that the language they used? I only read their first volume of Dragonball, and hated it, so I never read any further.

It sounds like you encountered one of the extremely early censored printings or a bootlegged version of some kind, because you are demonstrating an insufficient level of research and knowledge in regards to the integrity of the Viz translation as released for the majority of printings.

[UpFromTheSkies]

Is that the language they used? I only read their first volume of Dragonball, and hated it, so I never read any further.

It sounds like you encountered one of the extremely early censored printings or a bootlegged version of some kind, because you are demonstrating an insufficient level of research and knowledge in regards to the integrity of the Viz translation as released for the majority of printings.

It definitely wasn't a bootleg, I think I bought it at Barnes and Noble.

[Tullece]

Is till don't know where this shitty paper quality thing is coming from. They have yet to say that it's using the same paper as the other 3-1's, now you could assume that because its in the same line of style of manga that they have released before that it will have the same paper quality but you obviously don't know for fact it will be. DH released every volume of Berserk with quality paper except one, I believe volume 31, and since its extreme negative reaction to it they reverted back to the same paper as before , Viz cannot do the same?

[VegettoEX]

I don't know how many times I have to say that we personally asked Viz about these releases and we were told they will be exactly the same as the prior 3-in-1s -- that includes the paper quality, which is one of the reasons they can put them out at such a cheap price.

[UpFromTheSkies]

Is till don't know where this shitty paper quality thing is coming from. They have yet to say that it's using the same paper as the other 3-1's, now you could assume that because its in the same line of style of manga that they have released before that it will have the same paper quality but you obviously don't know for fact it will be. DH released every volume of Berserk with quality paper except one, I believe volume 31, and since its extreme negative reaction to it they reverted back to the same paper as before , Viz cannot do the same?

Maybe the budget they have won't allow them to print as many copies as they want at the selling price they want if they use high quality paper, so they cut the cost by lowering paper quality, and if it sells well, they'll release it again on higher quality paper. So you could hold out and wait for a higher quality release, but if everyone does that, there will be no higher quality release haha.

[rereboy]

Not that I quite have a reason to buy this, but I hope that they doctor the gray-scale chapters to look a little cleaner then in some of the later-printed Z volumes.

You do? They alter a character's name to another one that still fits and the rest of the release is pretty good, but it doesn't matter... All those volumes and their quality is ruined and doesn't deserve to be bought because the character's name is not the original?

See, to me that doesn't make sense at all. Sure, I'd rather have the original name, but why is that so important? The pun or joke of his name is lost in the translation but besides that and besides the compulsive urge to have the original what does it matter? Just imagine that you didn't know that the character's name was not the original. What did you lose? How did the product suffer? The pun of his name was lost. Period. There are no more practical consequences whatsoever.

As long as the release is a good one, I'd rather be thankful for having a quality release of a manga that I love in my own country and in my own language than stressing about details that at the end of the day don't even matter. Most countries don't even have a DB release after all.

It wasn't just the name - that was the point where greater levels of censorship began to occur and more dialogue was mistranslated on a regular basis. The "Boo the Djinn" volumes as a whole are an inferior product in comparison to the rest of the series as far as respect to the original work goes. I hold value in that. I realize that it is still mostly readable, and I can tell you that those books are still on my shelf right nearby. But as a long-time fan of the series, I always make my friends whom read it aware that those volumes have problems and provide corrective information. I should not have to do that while the rest of the series they released has almost no issues.

I agree that is not as good as it could like I previously stated but that was not my point. My point is that I just find it ridiculous when I read things like what you said just now: "I realize that it is still mostly readable". Readable. Like its not actually a product with good quality. Just something that barely can qualify as a acceptable release, at most. Like anything less than practically perfect can only be junk.

I'm also curious to know what you actually tell your friends about the volumes and what "corrective information" you provide them if you believe that using the term Djinn in that context in wrong in any way... Like Herms once stated, ""Djinn" is a standard and valid way of translating majin. Actually, I hear djinn is plural and it should technically be "djinni" for a single guy, but other than that there's not really anything wrong with it." ( http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... 20#p511099 ). And yet that is probably one of the main reasons why you consider those volumes to be, like you said, an inferior product as far as respect to the original work goes... I'm sorry, but to me that's just ridiculous.

[Saiyan Prince Vegeta]

Djinn Boo is just a needless name change. If somebody buys the Manga and they don't know about DB they won't know why the hell there's an M on Boos belt. From what I remember, isn't Djinn an Islamic term to refer to spirits that inhabit the earth with free will, also were here before mankind, and the Devil is one too. Just going off what I remember hearing. I can see why they would use it for Boo as its an Arabic/Islamic term, but it just doesn't seem right to me.

[rereboy]

I don't like any changes to Toriyama's original art, it just really bothers me. If Toriyama wanted the thugs to have lazer guns, they would have had them, and if he wanted Bulma to be wearing a bra, she would have. Would you be bothered if they changed Goku's clothes, and gave him a different hair cut? It wouldn't change the story, and it would have the same meaning, right?

You are comparing pointless changes to changes that actually have a point. I don't think I need to state the difference between your examples and what was changed in the release.

What's the point of Gokus hair, or his clothes? His hair is messy looking because he's a wild kid that lives in the mountains, but they could still make it messy and change the style. And there are other martial arts gi's they could give him, so it would still get the meaning across that he was a martial artist.

By your logic, it's perfectly fine to change anything in the manga as long as it doesn't change the meaning of it. I disagree with this. Dragonball is Toriyama's art, don't change it.

You are simply not understanding what I mean. Of course I agree that what is best is to not change the art. However, if they are going to change the art, those changes can be intrusive, ridiculous and completely pointless, or not. Viz's changes, while still changes, are almost never intrusive, ridiculous or pointless. The examples you gave were of changes that would be ridiculous and completely pointless, even if they managed to be not intrusive. So, while some panels are still changed in Viz's release, their importance is, honestly, minuscule. On the contrary, if those changes were, in their majority, intrusive, ridiculous and completely pointless, their importance would be great. That is the conclusion for anyone who doesn't classify any and all changes as unacceptable.

And not wanting the Viz's release because of that is fine. I just don't think its fair to rate the release way below what it actually deserves just because we want even better quality.