SSJ2 teen Gohan (Cell saga) vs Broly (movie 10)?

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Re: SSJ2 teen Gohan (Cell saga) vs Broly (movie 10)?

Post by TheGmGoken » Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:27 pm

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No. Broly fucking hated Goku that's why he was most likely pushing himself beyond limits.
Really, then why didn't he do the same thing before it the power increase. Must of love him back then :think:

Give me an example of the gap after freeza saga that you need to tank the blast, since all your examples are Freeza Saga and this movie happen in Buu saga
I gave you examples of Dragonball and Saiyan Saga lol. Bojack tanked SSJ2 Gohan Kamehameha and he was WEAKER! During one part of the Majin Vegeta vs Goku fight, Goku tanked Vegeta's ki blast and they were dead even

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Re: SSJ2 teen Gohan (Cell saga) vs Broly (movie 10)?

Post by Draken » Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:27 pm

Axiom wrote:I don't believe in Attack power mulitpliers. As far as I know, we've only seen one example of it in the Manga.

And Seriously, Broly is obvious out of Gohan's league.
Nappa is obviously out of Piccolo's league. He was 4000 to Piccolo's 3500. Or 1.14x Piccolo. Easily ass-stomped. Gohan could be as much as 85% of Broly and Broly could still do the same thing he did from established precedent.

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Re: SSJ2 teen Gohan (Cell saga) vs Broly (movie 10)?

Post by Mjb1985 » Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:29 pm

There's no way I would place Piccolo over enraged Gohan let alone enraged Gohan's amplified ki attack. The whole point of training Gohan was for him to be the finisher.

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Re: SSJ2 teen Gohan (Cell saga) vs Broly (movie 10)?

Post by RandomGuy96 » Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:29 pm

Piccolo might have fared better if Nappa didn't hit him off guard twice. The off guard elbow resembles Majin Vegeta's chop on Goku while the taking the bullet moment for Gohan resembles Gohan doing the same thing with Vegeta after Cell pwned him. It was all because Piccolo was A. operating under the assumption that all saiyans had the same weaknesses and B. more trying to save Gohan then keep himself safe.

Notably, Piccolo's attack seemed to do way more to Nappa than Gohan's attack, which is probably why the Daizenshuu rates him so high. And Piccolo being stronger than Enraged Gohan is the official stance, never contradicted, and has more legitimacy than any fan opinion.
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Re: SSJ2 teen Gohan (Cell saga) vs Broly (movie 10)?

Post by Cardle grave » Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:30 pm

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No. Broly fucking hated Goku that's why he was most likely pushing himself beyond limits.
Really, then why didn't he do the same thing before it the power increase. Must of love him back then :think:

Give me an example of the gap after freeza saga that you need to tank the blast, since all your examples are Freeza Saga and this movie happen in Buu saga
I gave you examples of Dragonball and Saiyan Saga lol. Bojack tanked SSJ2 Gohan Kamehameha and he was WEAKER! During one part of the Majin Vegeta vs Goku fight, Goku tanked Vegeta's ki blast and they were dead even
I don't get it, How is Gohan tank on bojack blast an example that is working towards you :? :? :?

Bud big Attacks not random ki blast :roll:

How big of a gap do you need to be for this quote to be of use

"I cant believe there is a power out there that our powers cant reach "
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Re: SSJ2 teen Gohan (Cell saga) vs Broly (movie 10)?

Post by dbzfan7 » Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:31 pm

Axiom wrote:I don't believe in Attack power mulitpliers. As far as I know, we've only seen one example of it in the Manga.

And Seriously, Broly is obvious out of Gohan's league.
I don't ever use gaps as they are way to random at times. Same with attack multipliers. Fitting it all in just makes things confusing.
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Re: SSJ2 teen Gohan (Cell saga) vs Broly (movie 10)?

Post by TheGmGoken » Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:31 pm

Cardle grave wrote:Really, then why didn't he do the same thing before goku power increase. Must of love him back then

trunks quote: "I cant believe there is a power out there that our powers cant reach"

Yeah being a little more power is unreachable :problem:
Broly was jumping up and down on Goku like he was a bed(Oh how I love doing that when I was 6). That's more brutal then anything he have done tot he Z fighters. You complain about people not watching the movie cause of your Broly fetish yet you say
Yeah being a little more power is unreachable :problem:
. You know how many times that was stated in the manga and anime series.
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I don't get it, How is Gohan tank on bojack blast an example that is working towards you :? :? :?



"I cant believe there is a power out there that our powers cant reach "
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Did you read? I said Bojack tanked GOHAN's Kamehameha. I never said Gohan tanked Bojack.
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Re: SSJ2 teen Gohan (Cell saga) vs Broly (movie 10)?

Post by Cardle grave » Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:35 pm

Broly was jumping up and down on Goku like he was a bed(Oh how I love doing that when I was 6). That's more brutal then anything he have done tot he Z fighters. You complain about people not watching the movie cause of your Broly fetish yet you say
Face palm, Face palm again. Face palm after that. I Said before he got the power increase not after genius
You know how many times that was stated in the manga and anime series.
Go ahead and give one that says his power is unreachable

Bojack tanked gohan kamehameha lol when was this

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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:36 pm

Can we calm it down some? It's getting a little hostile in here. No need to have any of the mods come in and have to shut down this topic. Again.
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Post by Cardle grave » Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:37 pm

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Post by Draken » Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:38 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:Can we calm it down some? It's getting a little hostile in here. No need to have any of the mods come in and have to shut down this topic. Again.
I'd prefer that, this is going nowhere. So far it's the ~entire forum vs Cardle.

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Re: SSJ2 teen Gohan (Cell saga) vs Broly (movie 10)?

Post by TheGmGoken » Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:41 pm

Cardle grave wrote:
Broly was jumping up and down on Goku like he was a bed(Oh how I love doing that when I was 6). That's more brutal then anything he have done tot he Z fighters. You complain about people not watching the movie cause of your Broly fetish yet you say
Face palm, Face palm again. Face palm after that. I Said before he got the power increase not after genius
You know how many times that was stated in the manga and anime series.[/quote]

Go ahead and give one that says his power is unreachable

Bojack tanked gohan kamehameha lol when was this[/quote]

Also btw in the original Broly movie. Goku TANKED Broly's ki blast. Which was before he got the power up. Here' another example of Broly going harder on Goku than the other Z fighters, Broly punching Goku and glass broke. That was ahrder than most things he did of the Z fighters. He mostly either just smacked them away or he threw them. He also picked up Goku with his ki and blasted Goku(This was a little bit before everyone sent him energy). Bojack tanked Gohan's kamehameha at the end of the Movie :thumbup:

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Re: SSJ2 teen Gohan (Cell saga) vs Broly (movie 10)?

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:41 pm

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Kamiccolo9 wrote:Can we calm it down some? It's getting a little hostile in here. No need to have any of the mods come in and have to shut down this topic. Again.
I'd prefer that, this is going nowhere. So far it's the ~entire forum vs Cardle.
Broly discussions never go anywhere. And everyone pretty much already has their own set views on it. Not to mention we've gone over this, what, 4 times in the past month?
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Post by TheGmGoken » Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:43 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:
Draken wrote:
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Can we calm it down some? It's getting a little hostile in here. No need to have any of the mods come in and have to shut down this topic. Again.
I'd prefer that, this is going nowhere. So far it's the ~entire forum vs Cardle.
Broly discussions never go anywhere. And everyone pretty much already has their own set views on it. Not to mention we've gone over this, what, 4 times in the past month?
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3 times with Cardle(Not mocking him but telling the truth). The 3 times were on SSG vs Vegetto topic, Broly power topic, and this topic. The other 2 Broly talks was before I was a member but I forgot their names for the topics.

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Post by dbzfan7 » Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:43 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:
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Kamiccolo9 wrote:Can we calm it down some? It's getting a little hostile in here. No need to have any of the mods come in and have to shut down this topic. Again.
I'd prefer that, this is going nowhere. So far it's the ~entire forum vs Cardle.
Broly discussions never go anywhere. And everyone pretty much already has their own set views on it. Not to mention we've gone over this, what, 4 times in the past month?
Give or take. I still debate on whether the Boo debates or Broly debates are worse. They both just go on and on with neither side giving in after its settled by moderators.
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Post by PerfectFreeza » Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:45 pm

He didn't really tank it, Goken.
They both charged their attacks and fired them, dispelling both of them in a huge explosion, which they dashed through, but Gohan punched through him, with Bojack getting vaporized behind him.
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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:45 pm

dbzfan7 wrote: Give or take. I still debate on whether the Boo debates or Broly debates are worse. They both just go on and on with neither side giving in after its settled by moderators.
It's been a while since the last Buu debate though. That ended, and then we got Broly dumped on us.
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Post by dbzfan7 » Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:47 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:
dbzfan7 wrote: Give or take. I still debate on whether the Boo debates or Broly debates are worse. They both just go on and on with neither side giving in after its settled by moderators.
It's been a while since the last Buu debate though. That ended, and then we got Broly dumped on us.
Funny how they are both based on mindless monsters (Boo debates usually about Kid Boo and Broly is well.....Broly)
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Post by TheGmGoken » Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:47 pm

PerfectFreeza wrote:He didn't really tank it, Goken.
They both charged their attacks and fired them, dispelling both of them in a huge explosion, which they dashed through, but Gohan punched through him, with Bojack getting vaporized behind him.
Indeed, Broly debates are the worst.
Meh. I say he tanked it.
I still debate on whether the Boo debates or Broly debates are worse.
Broly for me. Boo debates always gives new ideas and find news anwsers. For me that is. Through they are long debates. But it's not as dreadful and long as Broly's.

Boo Debates - Trunks vs USSJ Filler plus the no filler
Broly debates - Goku vs Freeza Z versions x 50
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:47 pm

But Buu debates also involve Super Buu a lot, and he's one of the smartest villains.

Hmmm, I need to start another Buu debate soon...
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Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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