Did the Daizenshuu overrate Nappa?

[TheGmGoken]

Manga Version

[Insertclevername]

So, if Goku's power didn't drop from using Kaio-Ken x3, Vegeta's Gyarikku Ho would most definitely be above 18,000 here, right? I'd be fine with this.

What's your opinion on Nappa and Vegeta being able to change their Battle Power through powerful Chi-attacks?

I'm fine with that, for their ki attacks. That's just forcing their energy into a single spot. Raditz was surprised about it, but Nappa and Vegeta are elite warriors, so I can see how they'd do it. Otherwise, there would be no difference between the Galic Gun, and that generic fireball attack that Vegeta did.

As for "powering up" without using a special technique, no. It's pretty clear that Vegeta and Nappa can't alter their ki by powering up. That's a whole other beast entirely than shoving a bunch of ki into an attack.

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Also, nice avatar!

[TheGmGoken]

But they can amp their BP and attacks, I don't believe Daiz BS.

Seriously, they can control their ki to amp an attack but they can control it to suppressed it? Not buying it. Theirs a lot of examples they did power up in the Saiyan saga.

They was showing off their power. They was more or less calm so they can't show it off.

[Kamiccolo9]

So, if Goku's power didn't drop from using Kaio-Ken x3, Vegeta's Gyarikku Ho would most definitely be above 18,000 here, right? I'd be fine with this.

What's your opinion on Nappa and Vegeta being able to change their Battle Power through powerful Chi-attacks?

I'm fine with that, for their ki attacks. That's just forcing their energy into a single spot. Raditz was surprised about it, but Nappa and Vegeta are elite warriors, so I can see how they'd do it. Otherwise, there would be no difference between the Galic Gun, and that generic fireball attack that Vegeta did.

As for "powering up" without using a special technique, no. It's pretty clear that Vegeta and Nappa can't alter their ki by powering up. That's a whole other beast entirely than shoving a bunch of ki into an attack.

Dude, you just put everything I was trying to say into one concise and organized post. I...I love you.

Also, nice avatar!

While I appreciate the sentiment, I'm already taken

And thanks!

[RandomGuy96]

But they can amp their BP and attacks, I don't believe manga BS.

FTFY

Seriously, they can control their ki to amp an attack but they can control it to suppressed it? Not buying it. Theirs a lot of examples they did power up in the Saiyan saga.

There are precisely zero examples of their power changing, and half a dozen statements that they can't change or suppress their battle power.

[hleV]

Chapter: 223 (DBZ 29), P8.1-3, P10.4
Context: Vegeta was astonished at how the Earthlings could raise their powers. This time it was through Gohan’s Masenko attack.
Kuririn: “Is that G…Goku’s son…!? Wh…what an incredible ki…!!!”
Vegeta: “Battle power 2,800...!!! So they really do drastically change their battle powers!!”

Vegeta is surprised at the ability to drastically change battle power through ki attacks. Why would he, if his Gyarik-Ho did the same against KK3 Goku's 24,000 Kamehameha? I don't think battle power number is the only thing that decides the power of a ki attack. For instance, a 10,000 Kamehameha would own a 10,000 generic ki blast/beam.
... Unless by drastically he meant over twice, and 18,000 → 24,000 isn't something he would call a drastic change in battle power.

[Kaboom]

I'd be okay with the idea of some powerful attacks naturally amplifying one's power level to a smaller degree with their use. But doing so to the extreme extent that the Earth fighters do, even without an attack involved, is still unheard-of and amazing.

[Insertclevername]

The idea I was getting at was that the attack it self get's amplified, not the user.

[Bando]

My 2 cents, though it probably won't mean much, is Vegeta copied Goku's Kamehameha technique and its amplification power. I believe a databook says something similar to this.

Nappa's ultimate attack wouldn't be an amplification so much as being a different way of applying ki.

[Kamiccolo9]

My 2 cents, though it probably won't mean much, is Vegeta copied Goku's Kamehameha technique and its amplification power. I believe a databook says something similar to this.

Nappa's ultimate attack wouldn't be an amplification so much as being a different way of applying ki.

Vegeta used the Galic Gun before ever seeing Goku's Kamehameha.

And necroposting is bad. You should feel bad.

[Kaboom]

Yeah, if you want to start a larger discussion for a topic like this, please make a new thread instead of reviving one that's two years old.