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As Villains go how can they top a God of Destruction?
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James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: As Villains go how can they top a God of Destruction?
Thanks for the info.
Re: As Villains go how can they top a God of Destruction?
It's got nothing to do with that.Kamiccolo9 wrote:Because Toriyama can wave his hand and magically overturn property-rights ownership laws at will?Bullza wrote:He could have easily have worked his way around it if it were that important to him.That is by no means solid proof that Toriyama wanted to ignore GT. The entire project was forced to exclude anime exclusive content because the game developer was only able to get the rights to the manga, though they wanted them for all of it.
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No that's not even remotely the same thing. Toriyama saidAlternative dimensions =/= canon. Future Trunks' world & the Room of Spirit and Time for example are also alternative dimensions. That doesn't mean they are non-canon.
"I take the movies as “stories in a different dimension from the main story of the comic”."
Future Trunks world and the ROSAT are apart of the main story. Future Trunks world is just an alternate timeline not an alternate dimension and the ROSAT is another dimension existing within the main stories dimension.
The movies just like GT are in no way at all canon.
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They can be all canon, but in different dimensions. Nothing says that they are canon, and nothing says that they are not canon. In other words, there is no official canon.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Re: As Villains go how can they top a God of Destruction?
Law proves you wrong.Bullza wrote: The movies just like GT are in no way at all canon.
"Citation needed."
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Re: As Villains go how can they top a God of Destruction?
You could use that excuse for anything not just Dragon Ball related so no.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:They can be all canon, but in different dimensions.
Saying it's not apart of the main story is pretty much no different from saying it isn't canon. Manga writers don't go around saying what is and what isn't canon.
Either way neither the movies or GT or the what if stories that show up in video games are a part of the main story/canon and so don't matter in light of this topic.
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Why "no"?Bullza wrote:You could use that excuse for anything not just Dragon Ball related so no.
Except that Toriyama just said that the movies take place in different dimensions, and Daizenshuu/Chozenshuu state about some movies & Neko Majin take place in parallel worlds. This doesn't make them non-canon.Saying it's not apart of the main story is pretty much no different from saying it isn't canon.
Which is why we don't have an established canon.Manga writers don't go around saying what is and what isn't canon.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Yes, it is. "Main story" just describes a certain path of something that is told with the most focus. A sidestory can also be a canonical branch of a main story that happens on the same time line, just with another focus and other important aspects but part of the same world. Sidestories and spin-offs can be canonical sequels and prequels (as well as "happen right during the main story" stories) if wanted.Bullza wrote: Saying it's not apart of the main story is pretty much no different from saying it isn't canon. Manga writers don't go around saying what is and what isn't canon.
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Re: As Villains go how can they top a God of Destruction?
They didn't have the rights to the anime exclusive stuff to use for DBO. What do you mean "it's got nothing to do with that?" That's what we were talking about!Bullza wrote:
It's got nothing to do with that.
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I just explained that. This excuse of it being canon but just being in a different dimension can be said for anything, by that logic there would not be such a thing as canon in the first place.Why "no"?
Then that would make the events of such things they're own separate thing that has absolutley nothing to do with the events of the true main story of Dragon Ball. As far as Toriyama is concerned the events of GT never happened.Except that Toriyama just said that the movies take place in different dimensions, and Daizenshuu/Chozenshuu state about some movies & Neko Majin take place in parallel worlds. This doesn't make them non-canon.
Canon - "Another word for official. Used quite often in literacy to differentiate between official and unofficial storylines."
This is why Toei went out of it's way to explain Battle of Gods as being apart of the official history as opposed to most of the rest which isn't and thus not canon.
And that can not be said about the movies with the exception of BoG, GT and a lot of other things. They are not side stories or spin offs or have any connection to the canon story.Sidestories and spin-offs can be canonical sequels and prequels (as well as "happen right during the main story" stories) if wanted.
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Just because they can't have stuff from the anime doesn't mean they have to go out of their way to contradict and overwrite the events of the anime. They could have had a timeline that worked it's way around the anime so that it still fit without mentioning it.Kamiccolo9 wrote:They didn't have the rights to the anime exclusive stuff to use for DBO. What do you mean "it's got nothing to do with that?" That's what we were talking about!Bullza wrote:
It's got nothing to do with that.
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The movies are irrelevant for me. I am talking about the term in general and GT is a sidestory. And even that term describes it with less relevance than it actually deserves.Bullza wrote: And that can not be said about the movies with the exception of BoG, GT and a lot of other things. They are not side stories or spin offs or have any connection to the canon story.
"Citation needed."
"too lazy
feel free to take it with grain of salt or discredit me altogether, I'm not losing any sleep"
"too lazy
feel free to take it with grain of salt or discredit me altogether, I'm not losing any sleep"