Plothole Reconciliation Thread

[TheGmGoken]

Hence why I posted the Korean version. Which uses a "!" Instead of "!?". Though Piccolo did say damn him. Piccolo was shocked that Cell didn't know rengen. So its not surprising if Piccolo thought Cell didn't know all attacks.

Piccolo was shocked that he(Cell) could hide his energy too. Yet Goku could during Cell arc. Basically Piccolo thought Cell didn't know about himself

[Kid Buu]

But Cell mentions knowing their moves, heck he even claims he can do Genki Dama. So why surprised he can Solar Flare?

Actually i just find it odd that he knows Kamehameha, Solar Flare, Genki Dama, etc. but he doesn't know he can regenerate. That whole scene just seems off to me.

[TheGmGoken]

That's what I mean. He know all of that yet doesn't know regeneration. So Piccolo thinking he doesn't know that attack isn't unreasonable.

[Zephyr]

They saw Goku mimic the move. That doesn't make it one of Goku's moves. When someone says they can use Goku's moves, Solar Flare doesn't necessarily come to mind.

The regeneration though, yeah that's a bit weird.

[dbgtFO]

I say Cell obviously knew he could regenerate, but Piccolo was a dumbass and jumped to the conclusion that he didn't know
I do not recall Cell confirming, he was unaware of his regeneration ability.

[White Oni]

They saw Goku mimic the move. That doesn't make it one of Goku's moves. When someone says they can use Goku's moves, Solar Flare doesn't necessarily come to mind.

The regeneration though, yeah that's a bit weird.

Not that I think you're unaware of this.

But it's kinda funny, what this post reminded me of.

I was once shocked when someone pointed out to me that most of Goku's moves aren't "his" at all. He either copies them or learns them from others. I thought that was pretty cool.

[dbgtFO]

Yeah, Goku doesn't come up with many moves himself, he just copies others, but makes them even better.
Even Jan-ken was a move Grandpa Gohan taught him IIRC.

[Kamiccolo9]

They saw Goku mimic the move. That doesn't make it one of Goku's moves. When someone says they can use Goku's moves, Solar Flare doesn't necessarily come to mind.

The regeneration though, yeah that's a bit weird.

Not that I think you're unaware of this.

But it's kinda funny, what this post reminded me of.

I was once shocked when someone pointed out to me that most of Goku's moves aren't "his" at all. He either copies them or learns them from others. I thought that was pretty cool.

The Dragon Fist is the only one I can think of. And his "Crazy Monkey" thing he did in the 21st Budokai.

[Saiga]

But Cell mentions knowing their moves, heck he even claims he can do Genki Dama. So why surprised he can Solar Flare?

Actually i just find it odd that he knows Kamehameha, Solar Flare, Genki Dama, etc. but he doesn't know he can regenerate. That whole scene just seems off to me.

Those techniques were all used in the battle with Vegeta, regeneration wasn't. That was also the time the robots started monitoring and collecting cells.

[Zephyr]

I was once shocked when someone pointed out to me that most of Goku's moves aren't "his" at all. He either copies them or learns them from others. I thought that was pretty cool.

That is true. But a lot of them end up becoming considered some of Goku's own signature techniques (as in, techniques that signify Goku), and Solar Flare isn't one of those. At least when I think about the technique.

[thatdbzguy]

But Cell mentions knowing their moves, heck he even claims he can do Genki Dama. So why surprised he can Solar Flare?

Actually i just find it odd that he knows Kamehameha, Solar Flare, Genki Dama, etc. but he doesn't know he can regenerate. That whole scene just seems off to me.

Those techniques were all used in the battle with Vegeta, regeneration wasn't. That was also the time the robots started monitoring and collecting cells.

But what about Goku's match with Piccolo in the 23rd Tenkaichi? IIRC, the machines monitored that match too, and Piccolo did use regeneration there.

[Kid Buu]

It just shows the Saiyan Battle and Freeza Battle.

However, I just checked it again. However, looking at it again, it still seems inconsistent
1.) Piccolo knows Cell can use Gokus moves
2.) Piccolo has seen Goku use Solar Flare
3.) Piccolo is surprised Cell can do Solar Flare, because it is Tenshinhan's move
4.) Krillin tells him that both he and Goku can use Solar Flare
5.) Piccolo is surprised that Goku and Krillin can mimic a move that he saw Goku mimic.

...?

[TheGmGoken]

Piccolo wasn't surprised Krillin and Goku can do it. The moment krillin said that Piccolo said "damn him". I think Korean manga handle the scene best. Though I guess the scene from an average person point of view was kinda out of universe breaking 4th wall. Though I don't think its a plot hole still

[Saiga]

But Cell mentions knowing their moves, heck he even claims he can do Genki Dama. So why surprised he can Solar Flare?

Actually i just find it odd that he knows Kamehameha, Solar Flare, Genki Dama, etc. but he doesn't know he can regenerate. That whole scene just seems off to me.

Those techniques were all used in the battle with Vegeta, regeneration wasn't. That was also the time the robots started monitoring and collecting cells.

But what about Goku's match with Piccolo in the 23rd Tenkaichi? IIRC, the machines monitored that match too, and Piccolo did use regeneration there.

I don't know if this is an anime thing, but it isn't so in the manga. It started at the Vegeta battle and continued from there.

[TheGmGoken]

Saiga that is correct. No budokai here

[Hitiro]

When was the last time Piccolo saw someone do the Solar Flare? That would be the tournament. Right? If the robots only started monitoring and collecting the cells during and after the battle with Vegeta then how could Piccolo know Cell could use solar flare when he was only aware of it being used once before? Piccolo wouldn't know Goku used it in the Vegeta fight because he was dead and he wouldn't know of Kuririn using it on Namek because he wasn't there at the time. So it makes sense in a way. Piccolo perhaps realised, when Kuririn said he and Goku could do it, that there were battles during and after the fight with Vegeta that Cell could pick up such techniques.

[Zephyr]

It just shows the Saiyan Battle and Freeza Battle.

However, I just checked it again. However, looking at it again, it still seems inconsistent
1.) Piccolo knows Cell can use Gokus moves
2.) Piccolo has seen Goku use Solar Flare
3.) Piccolo is surprised Cell can do Solar Flare, because it is Tenshinhan's move
4.) Krillin tells him that both he and Goku can use Solar Flare
5.) Piccolo is surprised that Goku and Krillin can mimic a move that he saw Goku mimic.

...?

Maybe Piccolo doesn't consider it one of Goku's moves? Only explanation I can see. I mean, many people have been shown to use the kienzan, but I'd still consider it one of Krillin's moves.

[jjgp1112]

The only inconsistency that I ever thought was glaring and bugged me was Cell being able to regenerate after the warp Kamehameha. That was never adequately explained.

I can comfortably pretend that Dragon ball Minus and some of Toriyama's retconorrific tidbits never happened, though.

[White Oni]

The only inconsistency that I ever thought was glaring and bugged me was Cell being able to regenerate after the warp Kamehameha. That was never adequately explained.

I can comfortably pretend that Dragon ball Minus and some of Toriyama's retconorrific tidbits never happened, though.

Cell's head being intact is a sufficient, NOT necessary, condition for his regeneration.

Not sure if it helps, but that's how I deal with it.

[jjgp1112]

The only inconsistency that I ever thought was glaring and bugged me was Cell being able to regenerate after the warp Kamehameha. That was never adequately explained.

I can comfortably pretend that Dragon ball Minus and some of Toriyama's retconorrific tidbits never happened, though.

Cell's head being intact is a sufficient, NOT necessary, condition for his regeneration.

Not sure if it helps, but that's how I deal with it.

That definitely makes sense, but it would be nice if we had some official confirmation.