Watching DB series Japanese (1st time) COMPLETE

[Valerius Dover]

I just tend to think that once Toriyama knew he was making the switch from 17 and 18 to Cell, he just decided to make them less evil and more endearing to the audience so he could build up sympathy for when they were absorbed. You kind of felt bad for them.

Oh, definitely. I really did feel bad for both 17 and 18 getting absorbed. 17 had it worse, though, since he died when Cell self destructed. And then there's 16. Although, I think we were meant to pity him from the beginning. Glad they all came back in the end, though.

[DarkPrince_92]

Finished the first 4 Dragon Boxes. I gotta say at this point, I'm over the sound effect that plays when a Super Saiyan screams. It was most apparent when Vegeta ascended before Cell, and then abused heavily since... for EVERY grunt or shout a Super Saiyan makes... it's kind of annoying at this point. I think it works when they transform or do an ultimate move, like when Vegeta used Final Flash. Other than that, unnecessary.

Speaking of screaming, a lot of the VA's have this habit of yelling even though there's a closed mouth in the animation. I don't know if that's on purpose, but I'm not a fan of that.

On a more positive note. I don't know if it's me hearing what I want to hear, but for Cell's VA, his speaking voice slightly changes from form to form. I was under the impression that his voice was more or less the same throughout, but his Perfect Cell voice seems a lot less monster like and aggressive compared to his first and second form.

Aside from me nitpicking, I'm still loving the watch through. Vegeta after the Trunks vs Cell fight is hilarious, dude is an asshole for real.

[JulieYBM]

Wakamoto Norio's performance as Cell does change, but not radically. His first form has the sort of effect of appearing as if Wakamoto is holding back, in comparison to his perfect form where he talks very fluidly.

When Dragon Ball Z was first created the animation was not always finished when the voice actors performed their lines. They would perform to a rough assembly cut of storyboard, layouts, and rough key animation.

[DarkPrince_92]

Oh ok. I had a feeling that the voice work wasn't always following finished animation. I tend to forget DBZ was in production while the VAs worked as opposed to Funimation seeing fully finished mouth flaps.

[mAcChaos]

I figured that they just ended up more evil as time went on. Plus Goku was around to give them a purpose.

As for starting halfway through the series, that's mainly because the show was aired on TV, and back then all of us kids tuning in didn't know any better. I started in the middle of the Cell Saga, and watched it from there. Whereas if you're going to sit down and watch a show now, you have the luxury of finding the first episode and watching everything in order.

[DarkPrince_92]

Gohan just transformed, SSJ2. I gotta say, I've seen this scene in Japanese before, but it translates better for me watching the build up from when the fight started. Love the "Unmei no Hi", that never changed.

[theoriginalbilis]

Finished the first 4 Dragon Boxes. I gotta say at this point, I'm over the sound effect that plays when a Super Saiyan screams. It was most apparent when Vegeta ascended before Cell, and then abused heavily since... for EVERY grunt or shout a Super Saiyan makes... it's kind of annoying at this point. I think it works when they transform or do an ultimate move, like when Vegeta used Final Flash. Other than that, unnecessary.

Are you talking about that echoed roar that's in the background as they scream? Most evident in Movie 12:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbEmExeyTWQ&t=0m52s

I always loved that, I wish it was something that the dub could've carried over.

[Valerius Dover]

Gohan just transformed, SSJ2. I gotta say, I've seen this scene in Japanese before, but it translates better for me watching the build up from when the fight started. Love the "Unmei no Hi", that never changed.

Dude, you are fast!
How do you pull this off?

On another note, I have seen the scene with song as well. I know how much criticism the US score has gotten for the scene as well, but it made up for it in the next episode.

[TheGmGoken]

Gohan just transformed, SSJ2. I gotta say, I've seen this scene in Japanese before, but it translates better for me watching the build up from when the fight started. Love the "Unmei no Hi", that never changed.

Dude, you are fast!
How do you pull this off?

On another note, I have seen the scene with song as well. I know how much criticism the US score has gotten for the scene as well, but it made up for it in the next episode.

One doesn't make up for the tragedy of Funimation version of SSJ2 Gohan transformation.

Just kidding. BTW what episode you on Dover?

[DarkPrince_92]

Finished the first 4 Dragon Boxes. I gotta say at this point, I'm over the sound effect that plays when a Super Saiyan screams. It was most apparent when Vegeta ascended before Cell, and then abused heavily since... for EVERY grunt or shout a Super Saiyan makes... it's kind of annoying at this point. I think it works when they transform or do an ultimate move, like when Vegeta used Final Flash. Other than that, unnecessary.

Are you talking about that echoed roar that's in the background as they scream? Most evident in Movie 12:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbEmExeyTWQ&t=0m52s

I always loved that, I wish it was something that the dub could've carried over.

Yes that. I do love the effect, and i wish Funimation utilized it, but it doesn't need to be in every scene with a SSJ grunting or yelling... it's like too much syrup on your waffle.


And yes, I am moving through this quickly. These days I'm still job hunting and animating, so when I'm not doing that, I'm in the gym or watching DBZ.

[ABED]

What's brilliant about the way you discover the Cyborgs aren't evil is we are told by Trunks over and over (and over) that they're evil. When they defeat the Z Team but don't kill them, you chalk it up to them being so powerful it wasn't worth their time. It goes almost unnoticed that Vegeta started the fight, and they haven't actually killed anyone.

[DarkPrince_92]

Ok. I just finished the Other World Tournament and now I'm at episode 200. I'm surprised the dialogue from the Funimation dub wasn't too far off from the japanese. However I do like the scene after Pikkon uses the Thunder Flash for the first two times in the Funi dub better. West Kai says something like "I told Pikkon not to use Thunder Flash because it's dangerous.." or something to that effect in Japanese, but in the Funi dub he says "...kids these days... it's all about explosions to them" or something like that. Either way, the Funi dub did that scene better.

Love We Gotta Power, prefer it to Cha La-. Also, in the second half of the episode, while Videl is grilling Gohan, the teacher was reading aloud from a book... in ENGLISH. I had no idea what that scene was supposed to be, but my mind was blown when I heard an english voice come out. Crazy.

Also, just like in Funimation dub, a new flow of music came in and it sounds a lot better.

[Gaffer Tape]

You never took any foreign language classes when you were in school?

[Valerius Dover]

Just kidding. BTW what episode you on Dover?

Well, I'm in the US right now, and haven't been watching anything during the summer. I'm going to start the Buu arc when I get back home next week. I'm still watching it in English.

I've seen:
All 153 Dragon Ball Episodes
All 4 Dragon Ball Movies
Dragon Ball Z Episodes 1-194 (US Score)

[DarkPrince_92]

You never took any foreign language classes when you were in school?

That's not why it's weird. I've only ever seen this scene dubbed and I don't remember speaking foreign languages. It caught me off guard.

I also took Latin for 3 years... don't know a damn thing.

[Gaffer Tape]

Well, it's one of those things I always wondered how they'd handle when they did dub it because the books they're reading from say "English" so they obviously couldn't be speaking any language other than English.

[Gyt Kaliba]

I can't seem to find a clip of it, but I'm pretty sure that they had the teacher reading, what seemed to be anyway, a classic book from literature. Whether it actually was or just something meant to come off as that, I'm not sure - either way, it still fit pretty well as an English course.

Ah, screw it. I won't link to it because the only copy I've found was a Youtube full episode upload (a really shitty one at that), but using it to spotcheck...this is how it went down.

Teacher: Please open your textbooks to the page 24.
Teacher: Now, let's see if you can find the unessential clause in this sentence. 'On the bus, I told my friend, who knew me well, a very important secret'. Then -
Teacher: Good, now then, the essential clause. That is -
Teacher: Now, let's move forward. Creating the complex sentence. Can I get a volunteer to read this sample paragraph?
Teacher: Excellent, a volunteer. Now, I haven't quite learned your name yet...oh, that's right. Well Gohan, now go ahead.
Gohan: Uh, yes ma'am. Now uh...what am I doing exactly? Heh...
Teacher: You're reading the paragraph!
Gohan: Oh, right! ...'Mr. Satan went to the city that was then called Orange Star City, and started a happy family. After he beat Cell who was very evil, the city changed it's name. Even though the world is now safe, Mr. Satan keeps his fitness routine, which includes running laps, and breaking heavy rocks.'

This was all amongst dialogue about Gohan realizing who Videl was, Videl being suspicious of him, Erasa hitting on Gohan, and Sharpner being a jerk, of course - but yeah, the class is still an English one in the dub. Dunno where I was thinking of an example of classical literature though...

[dbzfan7]

Finished the first 4 Dragon Boxes. I gotta say at this point, I'm over the sound effect that plays when a Super Saiyan screams. It was most apparent when Vegeta ascended before Cell, and then abused heavily since... for EVERY grunt or shout a Super Saiyan makes... it's kind of annoying at this point. I think it works when they transform or do an ultimate move, like when Vegeta used Final Flash. Other than that, unnecessary.

Are you talking about that echoed roar that's in the background as they scream? Most evident in Movie 12:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbEmExeyTWQ&t=0m52s

I always loved that, I wish it was something that the dub could've carried over.

I hate that filter. It sounds so fake to me. I'd rather just stick with normal yelling from Masako Nozawa rather than add the fake filter.

[DarkPrince_92]

I've come to the destined rematch between Goku and Vegeta. It's crazy. It's a little disorienting watching this and Kai Buu Arc, I've been getting mixed up like "Did I watch this already?".

Anyway, Babidi's voice is very dry in Z, I think his Kai VA (I don't know if he's different) does a much better job. Kid Trunks imo doesn't sound that good in Z either, he sounds older than Goku does. Again, Kai did a better job. With everyone else, I think Z had better intensity. Especially Majin Vegeta.

I'm gonna keep it moving out here. Still pressing forward.

[thomas1up]

I've come to the destined rematch between Goku and Vegeta. It's crazy. It's a little disorienting watching this and Kai Buu Arc, I've been getting mixed up like "Did I watch this already?".

Anyway, Babidi's voice is very dry in Z, I think his Kai VA (I don't know if he's different) does a much better job. Kid Trunks imo doesn't sound that good in Z either, he sounds older than Goku does. Again, Kai did a better job. With everyone else, I think Z had better intensity. Especially Majin Vegeta.

I'm gonna keep it moving out here. Still pressing forward.

I disagree about Babidi, I really like his Z VA rather than his Kai VA.