What made GT so bad ?

[fadeddreams5]

I honestly can't see why people dislike GT but praise the new movies.

GT is boring. I prefer terrible ideas and palette swaps over being bored.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Not that much of a difference between GT and BoG/FnF to me. Both riddled with Goku wank and inconsistencies. Although GT actually does entertain me during the space travels.

[Hellspawn28]

Battle of Gods has a original story to it while GT reused a lot of old ideas poorly. Not to mention Beerus is a much better villain then Super 17 and Super Yi Xing Long was in my opinion. Beerus had a cool backstory, has a good personality to him and has some depth to him. Super 17 and Super Yi Xing Long on the other hand, are boring, lame and generic. Most of the older DBZ movie villains suck in my opinion expect for Garlic Jr, Dr. Uiro, Janemba (guilty pleasure) and Hirudegarn in my opinion. Movie 8 Broli and Coola are okay, but the other DBZ movie villains to me where pretty bad and I can see why most of them are never popular with fans. Coola, Janemba and Broli get talked about the most while no one hardly talks about and cares about past movie villains like Bojack, Lord Slug and Super 13.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Battle of Gods has a original story to it while GT reused a lot of old ideas poorly. Not to mention Beerus is a much better villain then Super 17 and Super Yi Xing Long was in my opinion. Beerus had a cool backstory, has a good personality to him and has some depth to him. Super 17 and Super Yi Xing Long on the other hand, are boring, lame and generic. Most of the older DBZ movie villains suck in my opinion expect for Garlic Jr, Dr. Uiro, Janemba (guilty pleasure) and Hirudegarn in my opinion. Movie 8 Broli and Coola are okay, but the other DBZ movie villains to me where pretty bad and I can see why most of them are never popular with fans. Coola, Janemba and Broli get talked about the most while no one hardly talks about and cares about past movie villains like Bojack, Lord Slug and Super 13.

I agree, except I also like Lord Slug but am not that fond of Janemba.

[buutenks]

I enjoyed the exploration saga and the 2 sagas that followed.Dragon saga absolutely bored me and couldnt be bothered to watch.

[Basaku]

Battle of Gods has a original story to it while GT reused a lot of old ideas poorly.

GT had SSJ4 which lore-wise and design-wise is miles ahead of SSPhotoshops in new movies. The general idea for Baby and his arc was great, as was Shadow Dragon saga. Super 17 had at least good idea of 2 'brain' villains combining forces. Freeza's return in ROF is as pointless as it gets. New movies have the advantage of not having enough time to feature an insufferable Black Star search arc like GT had, but they leave a lot to desire in many other aspects. Which is why I'm hoping the combined talents of Toriyama and Toei will produce something better than GT and new movies in DBS. Neither comes even close to DB at its best in the past

[Lord Beerus]

Battle of Gods has a original story to it while GT reused a lot of old ideas poorly. Not to mention Beerus is a much better villain then Super 17 and Super Yi Xing Long was in my opinion. Beerus had a cool backstory, has a good personality to him and has some depth to him. Super 17 and Super Yi Xing Long on the other hand, are boring, lame and generic. Most of the older DBZ movie villains suck in my opinion expect for Garlic Jr, Dr. Uiro, Janemba (guilty pleasure) and Hirudegarn in my opinion. Movie 8 Broli and Coola are okay, but the other DBZ movie villains to me where pretty bad and I can see why most of them are never popular with fans. Coola, Janemba and Broli get talked about the most while no one hardly talks about and cares about past movie villains like Bojack, Lord Slug and Super 13.

You summed it up perfectly, Hellspawn28. Although, the only movie antagonists I give a shit about prior to Beerus is Cooler and Garlic Jr. because they add something to lore of Dragon Ball and have great potential to be expanded.

[fadeddreams5]

Battle of Gods has a original story to it while GT reused a lot of old ideas poorly. Not to mention Beerus is a much better villain then Super 17 and Super Yi Xing Long was in my opinion. Beerus had a cool backstory, has a good personality to him and has some depth to him. Super 17 and Super Yi Xing Long on the other hand, are boring, lame and generic. Most of the older DBZ movie villains suck in my opinion expect for Garlic Jr, Dr. Uiro, Janemba (guilty pleasure) and Hirudegarn in my opinion. Movie 8 Broli and Coola are okay, but the other DBZ movie villains to me where pretty bad and I can see why most of them are never popular with fans. Coola, Janemba and Broli get talked about the most while no one hardly talks about and cares about past movie villains like Bojack, Lord Slug and Super 13.

You summed it up perfectly, Hellspawn28. Although, the only movie antagonists I give a shit about prior to Beerus is Cooler and Garlic Jr. because they add something to lore of Dragon Ball and have great potential to be expanded.

So does Brawly!

Best Toei villain... next to Fat Janemba. <33333333333333333

[Lord Beerus]

Battle of Gods has a original story to it while GT reused a lot of old ideas poorly. Not to mention Beerus is a much better villain then Super 17 and Super Yi Xing Long was in my opinion. Beerus had a cool backstory, has a good personality to him and has some depth to him. Super 17 and Super Yi Xing Long on the other hand, are boring, lame and generic. Most of the older DBZ movie villains suck in my opinion expect for Garlic Jr, Dr. Uiro, Janemba (guilty pleasure) and Hirudegarn in my opinion. Movie 8 Broli and Coola are okay, but the other DBZ movie villains to me where pretty bad and I can see why most of them are never popular with fans. Coola, Janemba and Broli get talked about the most while no one hardly talks about and cares about past movie villains like Bojack, Lord Slug and Super 13.

You summed it up perfectly, Hellspawn28. Although, the only movie antagonists I give a shit about prior to Beerus is Cooler and Garlic Jr. because they add something to lore of Dragon Ball and have great potential to be expanded.

So does Brawly!

Meh. I feel as though Broly was just a retread in the whole "Saiyans are freaks of nature" route which the franchise had really exploited by that time.

[fadeddreams5]

Meh. I feel as though Broly was just a retread in the whole "Saiyans are freaks of nature" route which the franchise had really exploited by that time.

The saiyans were mercenary blood knights. Broly is the freak of nature.

The saiyans fantasize about becoming SSJs and overthrowing Frieza. Broly doesn't give a **** about it, despite being born one, and would take a shit on the latter for sheer delight.

Saiyans like to have downtime, rule for the sake of expanding their territory, and some even care about their own kind. Broly's downtime is causing Armageddon, and he turned his father into a pretzel.

Don't compare the brawliest of them all with those sheeps.

[Hellspawn28]

Broli had a dark tragic back story, but I feel like that he could be developed much better. If he stay dead after Movie 8 then his rep could be better. Same with Garlic Jr since fans dislike him because his saga sucks when he's a pretty good character in my opinion. Garlic Jr. was pretty original since he had a neat back story with Kami, he was the first villain to become immortal and he was the first villain to beaten by someone else besides Goku.

[fadeddreams5]

Broli had a dark tragic back story, but I feel like that he could be developed much better. If he stay dead after Movie 8 then his rep could be better. Same with Garlic Jr since fans dislike him because his saga sucks when he's a pretty good character in my opinion. Garlic Jr. was pretty original since he had a neat back story with Kami, he was the first villain to become immortal and he was the first villain to beaten by someone else besides Goku.

Garlic jr was the first and only villain to beat himself... twice.

I wish Broly was re-envisioned, but he simply contrasts too much with the tone of modern DBZ. I would not like to see him making goofy exaggerated anime faces like Golden Frieza does after SSGSS Goku is shot, or Chilled's eye popping expression when he fights SSJ Bardock. Ugh...=P

[soulnova]

As Lord Beerus said... "GT is classic case of great concepts but fucking awful execution."

The potential was there and they botched it. I almost stopped watching several times because I could barely stand Pan. God, I came to hate her. My 10 year old sister at the time even thought the fights were just right down ridiculous and she couldn't take them seriously. We joked they seemed to take each episode's development plots randomly out of a hat.

I actually finished watching for pure loyalty to the series.


Up until a few years ago, when I wrote Journey's End, my opinion on Pan changed when I realized the HUGE character potential for her and Uub and how they had wasted the opportunity to develop her correctly. That's one of my biggest fears for Super.

[ABED]

We joked they seemed to take each episode's development plots randomly out of a hat.

Care to explain? Other than the first couple episodes, I don't think that's true.

[NeoKING]

We joked they seemed to take each episode's development plots randomly out of a hat.

Care to explain? Other than the first couple episodes, I don't think that's true.

While I don't agree entirely, things like Sugoroku Space fit the mold for his statement pretty well.

Seriously, in a dark twist we're not used to seeing, Goku gets curb stomped fighting the big bad and having all his friends and family turn against him but wait, in the very next episode he's playing monopoly for his chance at a round 2.

The switch in tone was jarring. They may as well have made the Suguroku Space relevant by having him stay there to become SSJ4 rather than taking him back to the Kaioshin Realm. I'd like to think that whole plot was one of the writers losing a bet at the bars after work one day.

[Singh is King]

Not that much of a difference between GT and BoG/FnF to me. Both riddled with Goku wank and inconsistencies. Although GT actually does entertain me during the space travels.

I'm with this guy.

[ABED]

Seriously, in a dark twist we're not used to seeing, Goku gets curb stomped fighting the big bad and having all his friends and family turn against him but wait, in the very next episode he's playing monopoly for his chance at a round 2.

While i understand the sentiment, it's not like the two events aren't connected. Goku was sent to Sugoroku's Space after the deathball blast to get away from certain death.

[Kid Buu]

It was mostly just a rehash of Z, which itself was really formulaic.

I do really like the aesthetic and soundtrack though.

[DemonRin]

First, it had a plot that was riddled with borrowed elements from the past. Much like the Pre-BoG movies, GT had its major plotpoints almost exclusively be ripoffs of Prior plots.

Black Star Dragonball Arc <--> Dragonball/Pilaf Arc
Bebi Arc <--> Elements of Saiyan and Boo arcs (Vegeta goes evil again, fights Goku again, only difference is Vegeta wasn't in control this time)
Super 17 Arc <--> Cyborgs/Cell with elements of Movie 12 thrown in for good measure.

The only originalish arc was the Black Star Dragonball arc, which was still a bit formulaic (it was very "Monster of the Week" in its setup) but by then, it was too little too late.

Plus, it had some unexplained inconsistencies and oddities. Like, the Black Star Dragonballs even being a thing. It's kindof implausible that they'd exist considering they've apparently been there, on earth in Kami's lookout THE ENTIRE TIME without anyone in our main cast knowing about them, yet somehow, Pilaf was able to find out about them. Seriously? I mean, they didn't even seem to be well hidden. It was just some room in the lookout that Pilaf wandered into and Goku walked up and interrupted them like it wasn't a big deal.

Also, the Goku becoming a kid again thing was handled in a wonky way. I'm not against the concept of him becoming a kid again, it did offer for some good comedy and the like in the first part of the series, and it gave an excuse to de-power him some (remember, he couldn't stay SS3 for long as a kid) but then when he goes Super Saiyan 4.... suddenly he's an adult again.... but only when he's Super Saiyan 4.... really?... Forget for a second that it's never explained how SOMEHOW SS4 makes Goku an adult again, that plot point was just completely ignored.... but why does he revert when he changes back?! Iunno, it just works that way because it does. At least when Vegetto de-fused in Boo, there was the flimsy "Bad Air" inside Boo De-fusing them. It was flimsy, but since Boo naturally has fusion powers what with him merging with everyone and their mother, it's at least plausible that something about Boo's innards would mess with another form of Fusion IE the Potara, but Super Saiyan 4 Adultifying Goku had no explanation whatsoever or even an ATTEMPT at an explanation. There's no rationalization for why that happened other than "Toei wanted to be able to have Goku be an adult again when he fights, but stay a kid the rest of the time for comedy".

[ABED]

Bebi Arc <--> Elements of Saiyan and Boo arcs (Vegeta goes evil again, fights Goku again, only difference is Vegeta wasn't in control this time)

He didn't go evil, it was Baby in his body. That's not remotely borrowed from the Saiyan arc.