So who or what is Black?

[Lord Frieza]

Well as of Episode 49 we know that he calls himself Son Goku, Goku Black was a name given to him because Trunks and co could not stomach calling him by his real name.

So unless he's lyeing, and what would be the point of that, he's not some villian called Black pretending to be or has fused with Goku, he's not Goten or Gohan. He is an alternate version of our hero, a dark an twisted reflection but still Son Goku.

[GodKaio-Ken]

His "Time Ring" reacted only when he went to the specific spot Trunks disappeared from. That is what I got from the subbed version at least. I don't think Black is "evil" so to speak. It may be his job to do evil things but one of our favorite new characters, Beerus, has a very similar job to do.

[NeoKING]

Goku Black is Goku if he received and maximized the Mystic Power-up.

We have no idea of knowing who or what Black is.

[Lord Frieza]

Goku Black is Goku if he received and maximized the Mystic Power-up.

We have no idea of knowing who or what Black is.

Well thats not quite right. We know who he is, clames to be or who he thinks he is. Son Goku. Thats his identity.

His passed is the thing we have no idea about but we can make educated guesses. He looks and sounds like Goku, is a good fighter and uses some Goku techniuqes and if he is not lying he also has a warped, tilted or courrpted sense of Justice.

If thats the case then I think Black is a version of Goku who as been molded into a killer by an outside force. I think he was kidnapped during the Dragon Ball era as a child in another timeline or (and the one I beleive to be the most likely) this Goku is a rincarnation of Goku after he died. That might also explain a lot if he turns out not to be a saiyan.

Either I believe someone has taken Goku and turned him into a weapon to inforce their own ideals.

[Lord Frieza]

Also an old theory of mine might have been right. I said that Black Goku existing may have been all Trunks's fault.

[ryou766]

Also an old theory of mine might have been right. I said that Black Goku existing may have been all Trunks's fault.

How would it have been Trunks' fault?

[GodKaio-Ken]

Also an old theory of mine might have been right. I said that Black Goku existing may have been all Trunks's fault.

How would it have been Trunks' fault?

Probably not EXISTING but it could be his fault Black is there. It's pretty obvious he's after Trunks for some reason...I mean he isn't just destroying Earth he is seeking Trunks out through time and space.

[ryou766]

Also an old theory of mine might have been right. I said that Black Goku existing may have been all Trunks's fault.

How would it have been Trunks' fault?

Probably not EXISTING but it could be his fault Black is there. It's pretty obvious he's after Trunks for some reason...I mean he isn't just destroying Earth he is seeking Trunks out through time and space.

He seems to have some disdain for Saiyans. But they aren't the minority to him; Black views very little of all lifeforms. Also, remember, based on the flashback shown in the recent episode, Mirai Trunks approached Black first after Black had wrecked havoc across the world. So that might have put Trunks on Black's execution list. Seeing how Trunks is the only one capable of putting a fight against Black.

[fadeddreams5]

Back in the present, Whis explains how time is ordinarily only supposed to flow in one direction. If you turn back time to travel to the past and, for instance, pluck a flower, this can have an enormous effect on all later history. Cities and even entire cultures can change, and whole planets can vanish from the universe. That’s why time travel is strictly regulated, even among the gods.

^ Based on that line and the fact that Black is serving "justice," we can deduce that Black is from the distant future and his universe may have been damaged or altered thanks to Trunks' time traveling, though he may not realize that was the exact cause, and is simply punishing those from the past in his quest for said justice.

It's very possible Black really is a future Goku, only after some sort of corruption. He seems to know everyone by name, after all.

[ekrolo2]

Back in the present, Whis explains how time is ordinarily only supposed to flow in one direction. If you turn back time to travel to the past and, for instance, pluck a flower, this can have an enormous effect on all later history. Cities and even entire cultures can change, and whole planets can vanish from the universe. That’s why time travel is strictly regulated, even among the gods.

^ Based on that line and the fact that Black is serving "justice," we can deduce that Black is from the distant future and his universe may have been damaged or altered thanks to Trunks' time traveling, though he may not realize it was exactly that, and may think living beings from the past caused it somehow.

It's very possible Black really is a future Goku, only after some sort of corruption. He seems to know everyone by name, after all.

To quote myself from not too long ago: "That sounds way too cool to be possible."

[ryou766]

It's very possible Black really is a future Goku, only after some sort of corruption. He seems to know everyone by name, after all.

While I doubt this, the reason for him addressing Saiyans in such a manner could be due to THIS Goku never accepting his heritage.

[fadeddreams5]

Or maybe he's just Goku after not being fed by Chi Chi for several days.

[sintzu]

Maybe he's an alternate timeline Goku who's lost everything.

Nappa killed Tien, chiaotzu, & Yamcha.

When Freeza shot Piccolo it killed him alongside Kami so the above, the namakians, Krillin & Vegeta couldn't get revived.

Years later after defeating Cell with Gohan, Buu arrived and killed Gohan so he trained with the Green Kaioshin to get his potential unlocked to defeat Buu which he does but he couldn't prevent him form destroying earth alongside everyone he knew and cared about.

So after losing so many people and his planet he finally snapped and thinks killing is the right thing to do cause that's all that he's seen and he kept failing to prevent it.

Or he's a Goku who got hit in the head again and his original saiyan personality is clashing with his pure personality so he wants to do good but he thinks killing and destroying is the way to do it.

[ryou766]

Black seems to know who Goku is, but at the same time, his words make it appear as though this is his first time seeing Goku: "So, you're Son Goku?"

[buutenks]

Black knows IT, so he definitely is son goku. I suspect, its dead goku brought back to life by a kaioshin and was brain washed or something. Or dead goku possessed by a makaioshin.

I see no reason why it would be some random goku from a random universe. Being the deceased goku, the original goku makes more sense and hed have a connection with everyone else.

Edit:Tho it seems black has 7 hair bangs, while goku has 8 and goten also has 7 so hmm. Interesting. I wonder if that is a hint.

Tho i am cool with black being adult goten also.

[Chiki]

This ep confirmed that time travel is a serious crime, and my initial thought as to why Black hated Trunks and humanity so much and wanted them dead was because of Bulma and Trunks's crime of building a time machine and traveling to the past. I thought that was why Black came, but I was wrong since last ep confirmed that Black didn't even know about Trunks's time machine. The reason why Black came to Earth is simply because he wants to make mankind go extinct for whatever reason.

Why though? Here is my theory. Black was created by Zamasu, the new green Kaioshin, to bring balance to the 13 universes (or just Universe 7) by destroying planets he deemed corrupt, regardless of the time the planet is in. Zamasu gave him the Time Ring to do this. It was already mentioned in episode 49 that he has gone around destroying planets, so that much of the theory is already true. But he went out of control and became too evil, and Zamasu started to regret what he did. Zamasu also gave Black the ability to become stronger as a fight progresses. Originally, he was weaker than Trunks, but became as strong as SS3 Goku as he fought Trunks for a year. This explains why Black is not a fully-fledged Kaioshin (he has one earring).

So why does Black look like Goku? My guess is that Black takes the identity of the greatest hero in the history of the planet he is going to destroy. Goku was the greatest hero in the history of Earth in Future Trunks's timeline since Mr. Satan did not exist. He does this because he's a sick sadist and maybe it makes his planet destroying more effective.

Can you imagine Black looking like Mr. Satan though, if he existed in the present timeline? Hah!

[omaro34]

Goku black is possessed by Uncle Ruckus, lmao.

[GodKaio-Ken]

This ep confirmed that time travel is a serious crime, and my initial thought as to why Black hated Trunks and humanity so much and wanted them dead was because of Bulma and Trunks's crime of building a time machine and traveling to the past. I thought that was why Black came, but I was wrong since last ep confirmed that Black didn't even know about Trunks's time machine. The reason why Black came to Earth is simply because he wants to make mankind go extinct for whatever reason.

Why though? Here is my theory. Black was created by Zamasu, the new green Kaioshin, to bring balance to the 13 universes (or just Universe 7) by destroying planets he deemed corrupt, regardless of the time the planet is in. Zamasu gave him the Time Ring to do this. It was already mentioned in episode 49 that he has gone around destroying planets, so that much of the theory is already true. But he went out of control and became too evil, and Zamasu started to regret what he did. Zamasu also gave Black the ability to become stronger as a fight progresses. Originally, he was weaker than Trunks, but became as strong as SS3 Goku as he fought Trunks for a year. This explains why Black is not a fully-fledged Kaioshin (he has one earring).

So why does Black look like Goku? My guess is that Black takes the identity of the greatest hero in the history of the planet he is going to destroy. Goku was the greatest hero in the history of Earth in Future Trunks's timeline since Mr. Satan did not exist. He does this because he's a sick sadist and maybe it makes his planet destroying more effective.

Can you imagine Black looking like Mr. Satan though, if he existed in the present timeline? Hah!

I'm not so sure he was shocked Trunks time traveled as he was shocked that the bulky ass machine was used for time travel. I mean think about...he has a ring that opens portals. That is a time machine to him not some hunky bulk of metal.

[Marlowe89]

I'd like to believe Black really is an alternate version of Goku, as that would be way more interesting than finding out he's just some look-alike or possession. But then why would he randomly be in the future, and why Universe 7's future of all things? The time ring and his relationship with Zamasu throws even more complications into the whole situation.

[nato25]

I love how there's so much possibilities.

Blacks line about justice has me really intrigued. So in my opinion that means he is making right on something that may have been unfairly changed or wronged. To me that means one of two things, a Dragon Ball wish or time travel.

If you think about it Goku should not be alive right now and wouldn't be if not for trunks. He also should have died natural causes, so no coming back for Goku. Without Goku, presumably Buu never wakes up and causes mass destruction on earth and the universe (kid buu destroyed countless planets if I remember correctly) along with most likely heaps of other events. But then why isnt Black also going after Vegeta who is equally to blame. I don't know thats just one idea.

My other is he is avenging the last wish made on the dragon balls to have everyone killed by buu brought back to life which would explain all the other planets being destroyed.