So has GT been forgiven yet?

[SSJ Human]

Well to get back on topic, I don't mind GT leaving everybody out because the give a plausible scenario. They are in space. GT at least recognizes that the new tier so far outclasses the old gang it's almost insulting. The one thing I do appreciate is that in GT when things are going down you're never left to wonder where everybody is. They kinda all show up in one way or another, yes that happened in Super too but just saying that I'm glad they weren't forgotten.

Pan and Trunks were still outclassed so that doesn't explain them going into space. I firmly believe that Piccolo and Vegeta were stronger and would have made more sense to go along instead.

Trunks wasn't brought along because just his strength, he has a technical expertise that was needed.

Trunks was brought alone in the hopes of capturing the popularity of Future Trunks. It didn't work.

[ABED]

I was talking about the purpose he serves to the story. I'm not making it up, I'm paraphrasing the people who worked on the series. If you have a series that revolves around interstellar travel, you need a tech guy.

[TheMikado]

Trunks is supposed to be around Bulma/Brief class intelligent. He was the acting President of Capsule corp and was at least familiar with the space space ship Bulma designed on a technical level. Pan wasn't suppose to go at all and snuck on board in place of Goten, who Vegeta stated he wanted Trunks and Goten to go because they were getting soft. In universe it makes perfect sense. The mess is basically centered around Goku which is why he's going plus he acts like a kid anyway and Vegeta isn't following Goku around like a lapdog, he's busy living his own life being rich and married to an elite woman while being a father to his daughter and doesn't feel the need to go on some silly adventure.

SSJ Human have you actually watched GT or did you just hear it was terrible on some internet forum?

[ABED]

From a storytelling perspective, the writers didn't want just the strongest. Here are the writers in pretty much their own words:

Gokuu was a given. Pan was the second choice because she's the granddaughter of Mr. Satan and Gokuu, and had growth potential. The third person could have been anyone. Trunks was decided on to add balance, and because he could operate the ship. He also has Vejiita's power and is Bulma's child (giving him a clear head.)

[Crinchy]

I think the main point the OP was trying to make though, is that Super has been guilty of many of the same things that people used to justify their hatred of GT. From that perspective, it can seem a bit odd for someone to love Super, but hate GT.

Such as? Any specific examples?

I am putting it out there that I did not watch Super, but I have watched the movies and am basing this post on that plus what I know of Super through here.

4. Saiyan Hair
Don't know how many of you guys lived through this one, but as early as 2003/2004 the great complaint appeared: "How could Vegeta grow a mustache and change his hair when he said that a Saiyan's hair doesn't change from the day they are born!?" I'm not sure if this was real, but didn't Goku and Vegeta get beards in Super?

That was said, however Nappa did have a mustache and I doubt he was born with it, and there were background filler Saiyans with facial hair. Head canon here, but I suppose full-blooded Saiyans are born with (or without) hair on their head that retains shape throughout their lives but they can still cut it, and they can grow facial hair, I doubt their hair is ridiculously strong.

[TheGreatness25]

I doubt any of their hair is ridiculously strong, but there should be something said for the fact that none of the Saiyans ever grew facial hair despite secluding themselves in training. Then again, neither did any other character (except Yamucha that one time)

[Cetra]

This "a Saiyajin's hair" argument is so ridiculous and I cannot believe that people never understood that it was not meant like that.

1. Super Saiyajin can get longer hair. Oh and their hair also grows when they transform into something else as well. Oozaru. That is a hair change and growth. Maybe people do not count transformations but in general it would count.
2. Nappa and King Vegeta as well as Paragus have had facial hair
3. While proportional to their body the length and style of their hair remains the same, do people really believe that his hair had the same length as a baby compared to his hair length as an adult? Of course it grew. Goku and Vegeta both are long haired - or should I better call them "reverse-long haired". This hair length would have covered their whole body as a baby. But no. Of course they had long hair as children as well. It was just proportional to their body. And what happened then so it would be proportional to their body again? Right. It grew.
4. It is dumb that people did not only complain about Stachegeta in GT but also about his hairstyle. Not that people cannot dislike the hairstyle but to think Saiyajin cannot cut their hair - which some people did think or still do - is ... I cannot even find any words for it.

[SSJ Human]

From a storytelling perspective, the writers didn't want just the strongest. Here are the writers in pretty much their own words:

Gokuu was a given. Pan was the second choice because she's the granddaughter of Mr. Satan and Gokuu, and had growth potential. The third person could have been anyone. Trunks was decided on to add balance, and because he could operate the ship. He also has Vejiita's power and is Bulma's child (giving him a clear head.)

Still sucks, but if they had to do that, then surely we could have had a subplot on Earth before Baby arrived there.

[Kanassa]

From a storytelling perspective, the writers didn't want just the strongest. Here are the writers in pretty much their own words:

Gokuu was a given. Pan was the second choice because she's the granddaughter of Mr. Satan and Gokuu, and had growth potential. The third person could have been anyone. Trunks was decided on to add balance, and because he could operate the ship. He also has Vejiita's power and is Bulma's child (giving him a clear head.)

Strange that they talk about Pan having potential and Trunks having Vegeta's power when both are almost useless for most of the show.

[ChaosLordBrandon]

From a storytelling perspective, the writers didn't want just the strongest. Here are the writers in pretty much their own words:

Gokuu was a given. Pan was the second choice because she's the granddaughter of Mr. Satan and Gokuu, and had growth potential. The third person could have been anyone. Trunks was decided on to add balance, and because he could operate the ship. He also has Vejiita's power and is Bulma's child (giving him a clear head.)

Strange that they talk about Pan having potential and Trunks having Vegeta's power when both are almost useless for most of the show.

Did GT Pan or GT Trunks even defeat a single person in GT or even get an rememberable scene? I'm pretty sure that baby Pan in Super has more rememberable scenes than both GT Pan and GT Trunks combined.

[Kanassa]

From a storytelling perspective, the writers didn't want just the strongest. Here are the writers in pretty much their own words:

Gokuu was a given. Pan was the second choice because she's the granddaughter of Mr. Satan and Gokuu, and had growth potential. The third person could have been anyone. Trunks was decided on to add balance, and because he could operate the ship. He also has Vejiita's power and is Bulma's child (giving him a clear head.)

Strange that they talk about Pan having potential and Trunks having Vegeta's power when both are almost useless for most of the show.

Did GT Pan or GT Trunks even defeat a single person in GT or even get an rememberable scene? I'm pretty sure that baby Pan in Super has more rememberable scenes than both GT Pan and GT Trunks combined.

I'm pretty sure Trunks kills some lower tier henchman while Pan kills a bunch of namless minions once when freaking out, other then that Trunks really just exsists to get his ass kicked in GT. I remember rewatching it with a friend, then when it came to a scene of Trunks about to take on a villain's henchmen, Goku puts his hand out to stop him. I blurt out ''Trunks, stop. We all know that you're the Krillin/Yamcha of the series now!"

[ABED]

It was Giru and Trunks that discovered Dr. Myuu and Baby's plan, so yes, he was useful.

Still sucks, but if they had to do that, then surely we could have had a subplot on Earth before Baby arrived there.

I don't agree. It's a sound idea, just not executed well. I also fail to see how having a subplot on Earth in order to achieve their goal.

[SSJ Human]

It was Giru and Trunks that discovered Dr. Myuu and Baby's plan, so yes, he was useful.

Still sucks, but if they had to do that, then surely we could have had a subplot on Earth before Baby arrived there.

I don't agree. It's a sound idea, just not executed well. I also fail to see how having a subplot on Earth in order to achieve their goal.

Having a subplot on Earth would have given the rest of the characters something to do during that space adventure of the three that as you admitted were not executed well.

[ABED]

It was Giru and Trunks that discovered Dr. Myuu and Baby's plan, so yes, he was useful.

Still sucks, but if they had to do that, then surely we could have had a subplot on Earth before Baby arrived there.

I don't agree. It's a sound idea, just not executed well. I also fail to see how having a subplot on Earth in order to achieve their goal.

Having a subplot on Earth would have given the rest of the characters something to do during that space adventure of the three that as you admitted were not executed well.

Nah, I'd rather they kept the story focused instead of giving us an irrelevant subplot.

[SSJ Human]

It was Giru and Trunks that discovered Dr. Myuu and Baby's plan, so yes, he was useful.


I don't agree. It's a sound idea, just not executed well. I also fail to see how having a subplot on Earth in order to achieve their goal.

Having a subplot on Earth would have given the rest of the characters something to do during that space adventure of the three that as you admitted were not executed well.

Nah, I'd rather they kept the story focused instead of giving us an irrelevant subplot.

It could have easily tied into the space story that you admitted wasn't executed well and could have potentially been better than the main story, which again, you admit wasn't executed well.

[ABED]

Well if in this imaginary scenario where the subplot is present and presumably well written, it's just as easy for them to write the focused story and characters better without the extraneous subplot. I think it would be a mistake to constantly be cutting back to the Earth and the familiar instead of going with the core cast to what should be exciting and interesting new worlds. Just FYI, I did think Imegga was interesting and M2 was kinda creepy. If you think they can link the stuff on Earth and the search for the Dragon Balls, could you give a for instance?

I don't even think they dynamic between Trunks, Goku, and Pan was bad. I quite enjoyed it, though I do think they could've made more of the bond they shared by the end of their adventure. There's some of that, but not enough for my tastes.