Does DBZ have the most over-hyped anime English dub of all time?

[ABED]

Deep is relative. He has a masculine voice. Not as deep as Sabat, but not high pitched, either, except when he pitches it higher.

[8000 Saiyan]

Try watching any YouTube Video where Masako Nozawa is voicing Goku and you will definitely see many assholes talking shit about her and wishing for her to die or saying how "America did justice to a shitty Jap show with lame circus music and girly voices", I can't say the same for other anime dubs, I don't see Bleach Dub fans saying how Johny Young's Ichigo Shits over Morita's Ichigo or Mail's Naruto Shits over Takeuchi's but in dragon ball's case the dub fans are some of the most ignorant or disrespectful fans I have ever seen who don't even have a little respect for the origins of the Show and where it's made but keep thinking "America made dbz better"

Those people say the same thing about Yu Yu Hakusho, that the dub made the show better than it was in the sub. I think the YYH dub is also kind of overrated. I loathe Sabat's Kuwabara and I don't understand why Botan has an accent. I always found the Japanese version much better because of Sasaki, Ogata, Chiba and Hiyama.

To be fair, I like Cranz's Botan and never understood the hate for her Chi Chi either. And Botan doesn't really have an accent, at least no more than Ayres Freeza has an accent.

http://www.behindthevoiceactors.com/tv- ... sho/Botan/
I hear an accent here.

[DragonBallKing]

Those people say the same thing about Yu Yu Hakusho, that the dub made the show better than it was in the sub. I think the YYH dub is also kind of overrated. I loathe Sabat's Kuwabara and I don't understand why Botan has an accent. I always found the Japanese version much better because of Sasaki, Ogata, Chiba and Hiyama.

To be fair, I like Cranz's Botan and never understood the hate for her Chi Chi either. And Botan doesn't really have an accent, at least no more than Ayres Freeza has an accent.

http://www.behindthevoiceactors.com/tv- ... sho/Botan/
I hear an accent here.

Maybe a bit of an accent, but it's not enough for it to distract me. It's not over the top like Jin's Irish accent and Chu's Australian. Some say Ayres Freeza has a british accent as well but It doesn't bother me because i love his Freeza.

[8000 Saiyan]

To be fair, I like Cranz's Botan and never understood the hate for her Chi Chi either. And Botan doesn't really have an accent, at least no more than Ayres Freeza has an accent.

http://www.behindthevoiceactors.com/tv- ... sho/Botan/
I hear an accent here.

Maybe a bit of an accent, but it's not enough for it to distract me. It's not over the top like Jin's Irish accent and Chu's Australian. Some say Ayres Freeza has a british accent as well but It doesn't bother me because i love his Freeza.

I like the British tone that Ayres' Frieza because it gives him a sense of classiness and regalness.

[Ripper 30]

http://www.behindthevoiceactors.com/tv- ... sho/Botan/
I hear an accent here.

Maybe a bit of an accent, but it's not enough for it to distract me. It's not over the top like Jin's Irish accent and Chu's Australian. Some say Ayres Freeza has a british accent as well but It doesn't bother me because i love his Freeza.

I like the British tone that Ayres' Frieza because it gives him a sense of classiness and regalness.

The worst accents are the ones that FUNimation gave to most of DB Side Characters like Zarbon, Jheese, Cooler's Henchmen in Movie 5, Fat Boo, Kaiō and that Tsufurian Doctor in DBGT.

[8000 Saiyan]

Maybe a bit of an accent, but it's not enough for it to distract me. It's not over the top like Jin's Irish accent and Chu's Australian. Some say Ayres Freeza has a british accent as well but It doesn't bother me because i love his Freeza.

I like the British tone that Ayres' Frieza because it gives him a sense of classiness and regalness.

The worst accents are the ones that FUNimation gave to most of DB Side Characters like Zarbon, Jheese, Cooler's Henchmen in Movie 5, Fat Boo, Kaiō and that Tsufurian Doctor in DBGT.

I don't remember Fat Buu having an accent. Wasn't Dr. Myuu's accent German?

[DragonBallKing]

I like the British tone that Ayres' Frieza because it gives him a sense of classiness and regalness.

The worst accents are the ones that FUNimation gave to most of DB Side Characters like Zarbon, Jheese, Cooler's Henchmen in Movie 5, Fat Boo, Kaiō and that Tsufurian Doctor in DBGT.

I don't remember Fat Buu having an accent. Wasn't Dr. Myuu's accent German?

We all have accents, Buu was just squeaky american. Yep Myuu was german https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGHWoWtzU7k

[ABED]

I don't mind the characters having accents. It gives those characters a nice bit of flavor.

[8000 Saiyan]

I think my favorite accent is Ocean Jeice's.

[Asura]

In the west, we like our men to sound like men and our women to sound like women.

This is an incredible generalization that I'd wager has no honest, deeper meaning to it worth getting into here.

How is it a generalization? In dubbed anime, how often do you see women voicing men? Very, very often they'll voice boys, but I'm not sure if I can even think of one woman that got casted to voice a man in any anime, although I'm certain there are some that exist.

And no, there is no deeper meaning, and I never implied there was a deeper meaning. It's just fact that men voice men and women voice women for the LARGE majority of anime dubs and there's a big contrast between Japan and here.

[Ripper 30]

In the west, we like our men to sound like men and our women to sound like women.

This is an incredible generalization that I'd wager has no honest, deeper meaning to it worth getting into here.

How is it a generalization? In dubbed anime, how often do you see women voicing men? Very, very often they'll voice boys, but I'm not sure if I can even think of one woman that got casted to voice a man in any anime, although I'm certain there are some that exist.

And no, there is no deeper meaning, and I never implied there was a deeper meaning. It's just fact that men voice men and women voice women for the LARGE majority of anime dubs and there's a big contrast between Japan and here.

Most of the time in western cartoons the voices are simply based on their appearance and they don't really go much into depth of the character of what their personality is and all.

[DragonBallKing]

This is an incredible generalization that I'd wager has no honest, deeper meaning to it worth getting into here.

How is it a generalization? In dubbed anime, how often do you see women voicing men? Very, very often they'll voice boys, but I'm not sure if I can even think of one woman that got casted to voice a man in any anime, although I'm certain there are some that exist.

And no, there is no deeper meaning, and I never implied there was a deeper meaning. It's just fact that men voice men and women voice women for the LARGE majority of anime dubs and there's a big contrast between Japan and here.

Most of the time in western cartoons the voices are simply based on their appearance and they don't really go much into depth of the character of what their personality is and all.

I never could understand why Goku having a voice that doesn't fit his appearance is bad thing. It happens in real life as well, legendary tough guy's like Brock Lesnar and Mike Tyson have voices you would not expect based on their appearance.

[ABED]

Why do so many make it seem like Brock has a high voice? He doesn't. Tyson however does have a high voice. Goku's voice fits the drawing and more importantly, his personality.

[DragonBallKing]

Why do so many make it seem like Brock has a high voice? He doesn't. Tyson however does have a high voice. Goku's voice fits the drawing and more importantly, his personality.

Brock's voice isn't that high pitched, but people still make jokes about his screaming and voice cracks. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txkWLSmeM-Q

[ABED]

Why? It just means he has range. Some of it sounds goofy, but it's not because of the pitch.

[DragonBallKing]

Why? It just means he has range. Some of it sounds goofy, but it's not because of the pitch.

Who knows? People just associate muscles with manliness, so when they see someone like Brock or Tyson they expect him to have a deeper gruff manly voice. It's the same with how dub fans see Goku, muscles mean a person should sound manlier than a skinny person person like Luffy.

[8000 Saiyan]

How is it a generalization? In dubbed anime, how often do you see women voicing men? Very, very often they'll voice boys, but I'm not sure if I can even think of one woman that got casted to voice a man in any anime, although I'm certain there are some that exist.

And no, there is no deeper meaning, and I never implied there was a deeper meaning. It's just fact that men voice men and women voice women for the LARGE majority of anime dubs and there's a big contrast between Japan and here.

Most of the time in western cartoons the voices are simply based on their appearance and they don't really go much into depth of the character of what their personality is and all.

I never could understand why Goku having a voice that doesn't fit his appearance is bad thing. It happens in real life as well, legendary tough guy's like Brock Lesnar and Mike Tyson have voices you would not expect based on their appearance.

Also, I don't understand why people believe teenagers sounding older is a bad thing. There's no such thing as an age law.

[8000 Saiyan]

There are good anime dubs back in the 90's. Macross Plus, Ghost in the Shell (1995), Cowboy Bebop (Dubbed in 1999 before it aired on AS in 2001), The Professional: Golgo 13, Wicked City, Black Jack OVA, Perfect Blue, Slayers, Dominion Tank Police, Bastard!! and several others had good dubs back in the 90's. Sure you had trashy dubs like the Manga UK dubs of Devilman OVA 1-2 and Angel Cop, but those are so bad they are good type of dubs.

The DBZ dubs from Funimation (Both the 1996-1998 Saban era dub and 1999-2003 Funimation's In House dub) are still really bad and are the type of dubs that are made for kids in the 90's. Not much different than what we got with Sailor Moon, Digimon, Pokemon and Tekkaman Blade in the mid-late 90's in my opinion.

At least the 1996-1998 Saban dub had professional actors, while the 1999-2003 dub had people from the street. The latter did improve for Kai.

Something that doesn't help the over-hype of the English dub is that the dub on the DVDs isn't the fun, silly thing that aired on Toonami in 1998-2002, it's the redubbed version that fans either find pretty cool(Usually only apples to the Ultimate Uncut dub from 2006), or hate with a passion(Usually only applies to the frankendub redubs from 2007 onwards), with the remaining stuff from 1999-2002 being what the fans actually like, a lot of which isn't available to see.

I think the dub would get a lot less hate if we'd had Saban continue to the end of the series, not because of the Ocean actors, the Ron Wasserman soundtrack, or anything like that, but because that would still be available today in its original form, honestly presented as that nostalgic, fun, goofy thing people loved in the late '90s, warts and all. It was a cut dub, so if they wanted to screw with it like they did with the Funi dub with Ultimate Uncut and such, they'd have to either re-record everything, or somehow dig out all the original multitrack tapes, re-record all the missing dialogue aswell as the more extreme cases of censorship, and have all characters who were recast whose actors don't want to return to do the redub get all their lines redubbed by one of their replacements, and then it'd all have to be re-synced to the uncut footage, and they'd probably have to supply some kind of recut of the Ron Wasserman score as an alternate soundtrack to appease the OG dub fans.
So, they probably either wouldn't have bothered, or would have done a complete redub for any uncut releases. Either way, it would present the original dub as its own product which would be judged on its own merits as that fun thing from the '90s, rather like the DiC dub of Sailor Moon or the 4Kids dub of Pokémon, and if they did do some kind of uncut redub, that would then be judged on its own merits as a second crack at doing Dragon Ball, and that's probably the one that would get the hate for various inevitable shortcomings it would have(Again, just like Sailor Moon).

I have to admit that while I'm not a fan of the DiC dub of Sailor Moon, I loved Tracey Moore's Sailor Moon and Susan Roman's Sailor Jupiter. The two ladies needed better direction and better scripts.

[DragonBallKing]

Most of the time in western cartoons the voices are simply based on their appearance and they don't really go much into depth of the character of what their personality is and all.

I never could understand why Goku having a voice that doesn't fit his appearance is bad thing. It happens in real life as well, legendary tough guy's like Brock Lesnar and Mike Tyson have voices you would not expect based on their appearance.

Also, I don't understand why people believe teenagers sounding older is a bad thing. There's no such thing as an age law.

Same here, what makes a voice sound old anyway? If a voice is deep does that automatically mean it's old sounding, because plenty of teenagers have low pitch voices.

[8000 Saiyan]

I never could understand why Goku having a voice that doesn't fit his appearance is bad thing. It happens in real life as well, legendary tough guy's like Brock Lesnar and Mike Tyson have voices you would not expect based on their appearance.

Also, I don't understand why people believe teenagers sounding older is a bad thing. There's no such thing as an age law.

Same here, what makes a voice sound old anyway? If a voice is deep does that automatically mean it's old sounding, because plenty of teenagers have low pitch voices.

Unfortunately, some stubborn people refuse to believe that there are teenagers who sound older than their age.