What's up with Tenshinhan this arc?

[The gr]

Lol Toyo giving someone that is not named Goku or Vegeta some credibility.You forgot how much worse he treated Piccolo that the anime did?
This is the same person that downgrades the antagonists/villain so he could wank Goku and Vegeta(more Vegeta if anything).

Honestly i am surprised that hope exists.
Granted i will be more than happy to be proven wrong on this one but considering his history then yeah...

Piccolo is a loser in both version no matter what how long his figth was,he was worthless in the narrative like piccolo in namek,it all depend in the outline, by looking at Tien performance, AT didn't care him

Frost had no reason to use the poison needle on Piccolo in the manga since he was winning and Piccolo saved Goku in namek so he was usefull there.

yes he had a reason because piccolo was wearing him out ,is like you guys don't pay attention to the dbs manga & watch db dissections of namek,right there explain the problem with piccolo perfectly

[Jigurashi]

AT giving little to no fucks about Tenshinhan? It doesn't surprise me one bit tbh.

[Whatever]

Piccolo is a loser in both version no matter what how long his figth was,he was worthless in the narrative like piccolo in namek,it all depend in the outline, by looking at Tien performance, AT didn't care him

Frost had no reason to use the poison needle on Piccolo in the manga since he was winning and Piccolo saved Goku in namek so he was usefull there.

yes he had a reason because piccolo was wearing him out ,is like you guys don't pay attention to the dbs manga & watch db dissections of namek,right there explain the problem with piccolo perfectly

Stamina was not a good reason since Piccolo was wearing himself out faster,so frost could have won either way(in the manga,in the anime he had no choice but to use the needle) and saved the poison needle for Vegeta.
Also what are you even talking about?
Piccolo saved Goku from Freeza by kicking him in the water,did you even watch the namek arc?

[precita]

I can't imagine why Toei would drop the ball so hard with Tien this entire arc. I hope Toyotaro gives him more to do in the manga, but I have a feeling his role will be just a limited, if not more so. I mean, given the fact that Future Trunks played a backseat role for 90% of plot in his own arc in the manga version of the Future Trunks arc, makes me think that Toriyama didn't give him much to do in the original plot outline and Toei went out of their way to make him a more central figure in the arc in the anime. And considering Tien was already a minor side character, I wouldn't be surprised if he's shown in a few panels and then eliminated.

Because in reality Tienshinhan is not treated any better than Krillin or Yamcha. He's a side human character. He did not fare much better in DBZ at all either.

The only reason they gave Roshi such a great showing is because they wanted to justify why Goku bringing him into the tournament was a good idea, given he should be the weakest character. Roshi of course was going to get special treatment.

[GreatSaiyaJeff]

I can't imagine why Toei would drop the ball so hard with Tien this entire arc. I hope Toyotaro gives him more to do in the manga, but I have a feeling his role will be just a limited, if not more so. I mean, given the fact that Future Trunks played a backseat role for 90% of plot in his own arc in the manga version of the Future Trunks arc, makes me think that Toriyama didn't give him much to do in the original plot outline and Toei went out of their way to make him a more central figure in the arc in the anime. And considering Tien was already a minor side character, I wouldn't be surprised if he's shown in a few panels and then eliminated.

Because in reality Tienshinhan is not treated any better than Krillin or Yamcha. He's a side human character. He did not fare much better in DBZ at all either.

The only reason they gave Roshi such a great showing is because they wanted to justify why Goku bringing him into the tournament was a good idea, given he should be the weakest character. Roshi of course was going to get special treatment.

I will argue that Toriyama at least has some kind if soft spot for Tien. After all he did slow down Cell and did bring him back in the Buu arc to save Gohan. Sure he got his butt kicked but he always had a special showing compared to Yamcha.

[The gr]

Stamina was not a good reason since Piccolo was wearing himself out faster,so frost could have won either way(in the manga,in the anime he had no choice but to use the needle) and saved the poison needle for Vegeta.
Also what are you even talking about?
Piccolo saved Goku from Freeza by kicking him in the water,did you even watch the namek arc?

Is a reason because if frost wouldn't have use the needle, he will be extremely worn out,that piccolo strategy to drag the fight & have frost really tired for the next match even if the anime gave a better reason for the needle he is still useless because if you removed him the story it would have been same

sure he saved goku but his role felt meaningless, he is just there & didn't felt as important,this is getting off topic,lets drop this discussion or pm me to continue

[Totamo]

I can't imagine why Toei would drop the ball so hard with Tien this entire arc. I hope Toyotaro gives him more to do in the manga, but I have a feeling his role will be just a limited, if not more so. I mean, given the fact that Future Trunks played a backseat role for 90% of plot in his own arc in the manga version of the Future Trunks arc, makes me think that Toriyama didn't give him much to do in the original plot outline and Toei went out of their way to make him a more central figure in the arc in the anime. And considering Tien was already a minor side character, I wouldn't be surprised if he's shown in a few panels and then eliminated.

Like I said before, Toriyama's plotlines seem very vague, including character actions and personalities.


How things get to point a to point b is not done by toriyama, the most important part of a story.

With a tournament that has so many characters with so many different abilities, I can't for the life of me imagine that Toriyama's plot outline would still be so vague with regards to get from plot point A to plot point B like previous arc. I mean, for an arc like the Universal Survivial arc, Toei and Toyotaro need much more work with from Toriyama for this arc to live to its potential. If Toriyama is still giving barebones details to for both Toei and Toyotaro, then that's really concerning.

I honestly think it still is.


You know form his current artsyle and vague plotlines, I wonder if Toriyama actually wants to still be involved with Dragon ball anymore and is only around so Toei can promote his name with their product.

I felt this way since RoF, where he says that he only made the movie because of a song and made it more actiony for fans. Tori never cared about giving fans what they wanted back in the old days. Its the same with minus. It only exists because fans wanted to know Goku's mom.

Maybe I'm reading into things but it feels like, Toriyama might regret reviving this franchise.

[The gr]

Tien was alright in 106,he took down one of coolest contestant,suck that Roshi/krillin got the better treatment compared to him & he didn't even faced the u4 warriors

[MainJPW]

I was at least hoping Tenshinhan would break out the four arms or third eye beam since Toei likes bringing back old techniques so much.

[Ziegander]

I was at least hoping Tenshinhan would break out the four arms or third eye beam since Toei likes bringing back old techniques so much.

Seriously, Roshi pulled out all of his old techniques and they were all well-utilized and it was awesome. Tien used multi-form, crap compared to Piccolo's clones, and the ever-present Tri-Beam even though he easily has more techniques than Roshi, he has as varied a moveset as Piccolo.

[HeroR]

I can't imagine why Toei would drop the ball so hard with Tien this entire arc. I hope Toyotaro gives him more to do in the manga, but I have a feeling his role will be just a limited, if not more so. I mean, given the fact that Future Trunks played a backseat role for 90% of plot in his own arc in the manga version of the Future Trunks arc, makes me think that Toriyama didn't give him much to do in the original plot outline and Toei went out of their way to make him a more central figure in the arc in the anime. And considering Tien was already a minor side character, I wouldn't be surprised if he's shown in a few panels and then eliminated.

It isn't like Tien did much when Toriyama wrote him. He last shining moment was decades ago in the Cell Saga. He barely made a cameo in the Buu Saga while Buu was actually eating cities.

I honestly think it still is.


You know form his current artsyle and vague plotlines, I wonder if Toriyama actually wants to still be involved with Dragon ball anymore and is only around so Toei can promote his name with their product.

I felt this way since RoF, where he says that he only made the movie because of a song and made it more actiony for fans. Tori never cared about giving fans what they wanted back in the old days. Its the same with minus. It only exists because fans wanted to know Goku's mom.

Maybe I'm reading into things but it feels like, Toriyama might regret reviving this franchise.

If Toriyama wanted nothing to do with Dragon Ball, he would have walked away like he did for over twenty years. He could have easily stopped after Battle of Gods wash the taste of Dragon Ball Evolution out of the fandom's mouths. Toriyama said several times that he likes writing stories that he doesn't have to draw.

[precita]

I think people's selective amnesia in terms of Tien compared to Krillin or Yamcha is seriously skewed. I never understood where people felt Tien was treated any differently than the other humans in DBZ.

He lasts a bit longer, and has a few shining moments, but he never did get much to himself in DBZ at all.

[HeroR]

I think people's selective amnesia in terms of Tien compared to Krillin or Yamcha is seriously skewed. I never understood where people felt Tien was treated any differently than the other humans in DBZ.

He lasts a bit longer, and has a few shining moments, but he never did get much to himself in DBZ at all.

Krillin was always treated better than Tien despite Krillin being a butt monkey. Krillin was important to the story of Dragon Ball all the way up to the Buu Saga. Meanwhile, Tien died in the Saiyan Saga without really doing anything except beating one Saiberman, stayed dead throughout the Freeze Saga, had one shining moment in the Cell Saga, and then disappeared from the Buu Saga only to show up and get one-shotted by Super Buu.

[precita]

Why do you always forget that Krillin, Tien and Yamcha fought the Cell Jr's?

[HeroR]

Why do you always forget that Krillin, Tien and Yamcha fought the Cell Jr's?

Because they got their asses kicked off-scene in the manga and on-scene in the anime. So they were basically there to get their asses kicked and wasn't even holding the line like against Nappa. They were literally fodder to piss Gohan up.

Not worth mentioning.

[Basako]

Krillin was always treated better than Tien despite Krillin being a butt monkey. Krillin was important to the story of Dragon Ball all the way up to the Buu Saga. Meanwhile, Tien died in the Saiyan Saga without really doing anything except beating one Saiberman, stayed dead throughout the Freeze Saga, had one shining moment in the Cell Saga, and then disappeared from the Buu Saga only to show up and get one-shotted by Super Buu.

In terms of fighting, Tenshinhan did more than any other human Z fighter in the Cell and Boo arcs. Yamcha not much, as it is known, and Krilin really neither.

[MainJPW]

Seriously, Roshi pulled out all of his old techniques and they were all well-utilized and it was awesome. Tien used multi-form, crap compared to Piccolo's clones, and the ever-present Tri-Beam even though he easily has more techniques than Roshi, he has as varied a moveset as Piccolo.

I was hoping he had a new technique in episode 90 due to Jump's preview, instead, we got:






Two episodes straight of nothing but Tenshinhan getting embarrassed. And it's not just him the show itself said Kuririn had a new move but it was just a beefed up Taiyoken that ended up being useless.

There's nothing "new" which was something I and I'm sure many others were looking forward to.

[HeroR]

I was at least hoping Tenshinhan would break out the four arms or third eye beam since Toei likes bringing back old techniques so much.

Seriously, Roshi pulled out all of his old techniques and they were all well-utilized and it was awesome. Tien used multi-form, crap compared to Piccolo's clones, and the ever-present Tri-Beam even though he easily has more techniques than Roshi, he has as varied a moveset as Piccolo.

Roshi knows about the same techniques as Tien. Not only do Roshi knows everything Tien knows outside the Tri-Beam, the Multiform, and the Four Witches, Roshi has his Lightning Surprise Attack, Hypnosis, and Drunken Fist.

[precita]

I consider the Cell Jr fights actual fights, even if they get beaten badly. Yamcha/Tien also team up and get a hit on one.

As for this tournament, it's kind of funny that between Krillin and Tien we still can't figure out who is stronger. Neither of them have that many feats in the tournament to determine if Tien got stronger than Krillin or vice versa. I guess the "strongest human debate" between Krillin and Tien can still go on for another decade.

[MainJPW]

As for this tournament, it's kind of funny that between Krillin and Tien we still can't figure out who is stronger. Neither of them have that many feats in the tournament to determine if Tien got stronger than Krillin or vice versa. I guess the "strongest human debate" between Krillin and Tien can still go on for another decade.

Kuririn held his own against Base Gohan better than Tenshinhan did, and Kuririn is not only stronger but is too fast for Roshi to perceive him during a battle royale:





The same Roshi who treated Tenshinhan like fodder. And the big kicker? Almost blew Base Goku off the building prompting him to transform. Seems to me like Kuririn has the better feats.