How will they fix the writing problem that Super had?

[Kuwabara]

Stop acting like complaints are only from America. This is my biggest annoyance about this fandom, acting like DB only gets criticized here.

I didn't say that? I also didn't know that America was the only country in the west.

[Jack Bz]

They love it how we love it. Cause its DBZ continuation. Beerus doesnt fucking look badass and all of that pudding shit for sure aint badass and something that would appeal to an adult.

So a guy who can erase people wether their dead or not and defeating a Super Saiyan god is not badass.

If he would have looked like he belongs in a cartoon that can be watched by adults, yes, he would have been. If he would have looked like Broly.

But considering that DBS has characters that seem out of teletubbies.. No he isn't

Not only are your string of posts the most embarrassing I've ever seen on this forum, but your perceptions of the characters are totally out of line with how everyone else sees them. For example, Beerus killing Zamasu is considered to be maybe the most badass moment of the whole of super. I've never seen anyone anywhere have grievances over something so petty such as Beerus liking pudding. You seem horribly insecure that you can't enjoy aspects of a show that aren't a constant stream of machismo. What did you think of king kai's training when you first watched Z? Did you almost stop watching the show forever when Goku had to catch a monkey or tell a joke? Is the training at Beerus' place really that much more ridiculous than that?

If the show was written your way I have no doubt a potara fusion of omega shenron and ssj5 Broly would have made an appearance by now.

[OLKv3]

Stop acting like complaints are only from America. This is my biggest annoyance about this fandom, acting like DB only gets criticized here.

I didn't say that? I also didn't know that America was the only country in the west.

You did say that. You're trying to dismiss the criticism as if it's only from small portions of the west, when that's simply not true. Japanese fan make similar complaints

[Helios518]

You enjoy it cause you have the appropriate mental age. If you want a good show besides dbz watch yu yu hakusho. If you are a brain dead kid watch teletubbies or pilaf and arale's adventures in dbs

I don't know many mature people who insult others on discussion boards, and in case you are wondering, I have watched YuYu Hakusho and I really enjoyed it. Anyways, that's not related to my enjoyment of Dragon Ball.
You call me immature, but I don't needlessly spread negativity on the internet and delude myself into thinking somebody cares. If you are going to harass people, please be sure to not neglect commas and apostrophes.

You are far more illiterate than me believe me. I just dont give a fuck. I made this account to make a thread and a poll to convince the fandom to spam toei and toriyama on social media to make dragon ball a serious series like dbz again. I wanted to start a movement and convince the whole dragon ball fandom about this so we can actually make a change. The moment i realised that the fanatics like you are too idiots to question dragon ball and the casuals would not go to those lengths is the moment i just didnt give a fuck. Saiyan pride will be written in red kanji on my left arm in about a month, thats when i have the tattoo schedule but i am literally disgusted that i share the same hobbies with people like you. Of course I'm getting out of here and hope i never see this bunch again. Sayonara

With the way you're doing it, you're not convincing the fandom of squat especially because this goofiness has always been part of DB. It's also like what the other posters have mentioned and you forget the other goofy aspects of the arcs you loved: Ginyu Force, Kaio's training, Fat Boo, etc. We question the series, alright, but why would we question something that makes the series what it is? That's idiotic, and if you have a problem with one of core aspects of the series, then just go watch a different series because you clearly don't like the series for what it is.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

You enjoy it cause you have the appropriate mental age. If you want a good show besides dbz watch yu yu hakusho. If you are a brain dead kid watch teletubbies or pilaf and arale's adventures in dbs

You are far more illiterate than me believe me. I just dont give a fuck. I made this account to make a thread and a poll to convince the fandom to spam toei and toriyama on social media to make dragon ball a serious series like dbz again. I wanted to start a movement and convince the whole dragon ball fandom about this so we can actually make a change. The moment i realised that the fanatics like you are too idiots to question dragon ball and the casuals would not go to those lengths is the moment i just didnt give a fuck. Saiyan pride will be written in red kanji on my left arm in about a month, thats when i have the tattoo schedule but i am literally disgusted that i share the same hobbies with people like you. Of course I'm getting out of here and hope i never see this bunch again. Sayonara

This attitude is completely unacceptable for those wishing to participate within the Kanzenshuu community. While the franchise of course has fans from all walks of life, it was originally created to be aimed at children. That, however, does not give you the right to act like one when you take issue with the content released or your fellow fans and will not be entertained here.

You agreed to our Forum Rules, twice, when signing up. If you're intent on breaking them, then maybe another community is better suited for your desires.

For everyone else, move along back to your regularly scheduled programming discussion..

[PFM18]

Yeah so anyway moving on from the previous rude sheananigans.

Me personally I think Super is written just as well as the previous two series. Honestly, if people were around in the late 80s and watched them week by week like they do with Super, they would have so much time to analyze each and every episode on top of the fact that most of the DBS fans watched DB/DBZ as a kid and are now adults. You just naturally have a different view on things when you are an adult and I think a lot of thr criticism of DBS reflects this difference.

To me, asking that the next series (or the next portion of Super) to have better writing than super is asking it to have better writing than the previous 3 series and 575 episodes. Which honestly seems pretty unrealistic. That said, Super could benefit from a more normal schedule and more communication between writers.

[Doctor.]

Honestly, if people were around in the late 80s and watched them week by week like they do with Super, they would have so much time to analyze each and every episode on top of the fact that most of the DBS fans watched DB/DBZ as a kid and are now adults.

You have people, on this very forum (a ton of them, in fact), that have rewatched the original series multiple times since their first time, and have scrutinized and analysed every single aspect of the manga and its respective adaptations on various threads here, or on podcasts (like Kanzenshuu's own) or their Youtube channels (GafferTape).

Seriously, you act as if it's impossible to think that Super simply does everything worse.

[PFM18]

Honestly, if people were around in the late 80s and watched them week by week like they do with Super, they would have so much time to analyze each and every episode on top of the fact that most of the DBS fans watched DB/DBZ as a kid and are now adults.

You have people, on this very forum (a ton of them, in fact), that have rewatched the original series multiple times since their first time, and have scrutinized and analysed every single aspect of the manga and its respective adaptations on various threads here, or on podcasts (like Kanzenshuu's own) or their Youtube channels (GafferTape).

Seriously, you act as if it's impossible to think that Super simply does everything worse.

You seem angry that I have this viewpoint....

They may rewatch it but at the end of the day they would probably have a different view if they saw it for the fist time as an adult, nostalgia not involved, and had to watch it week to week and tear apart each episode in between each week. You seem to be implying, again, that because "a ton of them" or a lot of other people think one way, that I should think that way. Literally classic appeal to populace. Generally it can be harmful to be in the majority anyway so I am not concerned.

Dragon Ball was never known for it's particularly deep plot, or amazingly written stories taken at face value. I mean Z even retconned the original, and there's plenty of plotholes and inconsistencies within Z. Super's main story is written by the same person, and animated by the same company as the previous two. The only difference being an original manga to go off of. I think it is irrational to not consider that there may be a bias involved in discussions comparing DBZ to DBS.

[Doctor.]

You seem angry that I have this viewpoint....

No, I am legitimately dumbfounded how someone can't understand a person may think one show is better than another without any nostalgia involved.

You seem to be implying, again, that because "a ton of them" or a lot of other people think one way, that I should think that way.

No, I said nothing of the sort. I said that it's a fact that there are people who have little to no nostalgic attachment towards the original series and still think Super is much worse. You're the one trying to delegitimatize other people's opinions here by saying they're all blinded by nostalgia.

[Bergamo]

I think the main problem with Super is the lack of lore. It's called Dragonball Super and we barely learn a thing about the Super Dragonballs. What even is the point of the Super Dragonballs if they don't really do many things particularly super?

[PFM18]

You seem angry that I have this viewpoint....

No, I am legitimately dumbfounded how someone can't understand a person may think one show is better than another without any nostalgia involved.

You seem to be implying, again, that because "a ton of them" or a lot of other people think one way, that I should think that way.

No, I said nothing of the sort. I said that it's a fact that there are people who have little to no nostalgic attachment towards the original series and still think Super is much worse. You're the one trying to delegitimatize other people's opinions here by saying they're all blinded by nostalgia.

It isn't a matter of being unable to understand that people can assert one show is better than another without nostalgia involved. I literally didn't even imply that everybody does have nostalgia involved. I think it is irrational to think that people can view the original series as a child, available to them whenever, with the exact same mindset as watching it as an adult, watching it week to week, with an image of the original series in the back of their mind. The mindset is just going to be different, people can be biased without even realizing it. Considering that the situations are different in viewings, to not acknowledge that this difference could be reflected in their opinion is just ridiculous. I didn't say that everybody is blinded by nostalgia not even close.

Yes, you did say something of the sort. You literally said before "You are the only one that thinks this way" and now you are asserting your argument using the phrase "a ton of them". Excuse me for thinking you may be pulling another appeal to populace.(like you have never done that before) I am not trying to delegitimize anybody's opinion just saying that the general public's opinion on Super compared to the original series may have(and probably does) have some bias involved.

I think the main problem with Super is the lack of lore. It's called Dragonball Super and we barely learn a thing about the Super Dragonballs. What even is the point of the Super Dragonballs if they don't really do many things particularly super?

So, to be clear. restoring 7 entire Universes simultaneously or restore an entire planet to the life it was several years prior is not "particularly super"? Neither of those things would be possible with the normal Dragonballs. I mean sure we could have learned more about the Dragonballs like the creator of them, but they aren't that different than the normal Dragonballs other than the power that they wield and the size of the orbs themselves.

[Bergamo]

You seem angry that I have this viewpoint....

No, I am legitimately dumbfounded how someone can't understand a person may think one show is better than another without any nostalgia involved.

You seem to be implying, again, that because "a ton of them" or a lot of other people think one way, that I should think that way.

No, I said nothing of the sort. I said that it's a fact that there are people who have little to no nostalgic attachment towards the original series and still think Super is much worse. You're the one trying to delegitimatize other people's opinions here by saying they're all blinded by nostalgia.

It isn't a matter of being unable to understand that people can assert one show is better than another without nostalgia involved. I literally didn't even imply that everybody does have nostalgia involved. I think it is irrational to think that people can view the original series as a child, available to them whenever, with the exact same mindset as watching it as an adult, watching it week to week, with an image of the original series in the back of their mind. The mindset is just going to be different, people can be biased without even realizing it. Considering that the situations are different in viewings, to not acknowledge that this difference could be reflected in their opinion is just ridiculous. I didn't say that everybody is blinded by nostalgia not even close.

Yes, you did say something of the sort. You literally said before "You are the only one that thinks this way" and now you are asserting your argument using the phrase "a ton of them". Excuse me for thinking you may be pulling another appeal to populace.(like you have never done that before) I am not trying to delegitimize anybody's opinion just saying that the general public's opinion on Super compared to the original series may have(and probably does) have some bias involved.

I think the main problem with Super is the lack of lore. It's called Dragonball Super and we barely learn a thing about the Super Dragonballs. What even is the point of the Super Dragonballs if they don't really do many things particularly super?

So, to be clear. restoring 7 entire Universes simultaneously or restore an entire planet to the life it was several years prior is not "particularly super"? Neither of those things would be possible with the normal Dragonballs. I mean sure we could have learned more about the Dragonballs like the creator of them, but they aren't that different than the normal Dragonballs other than the power that they wield and the size of the orbs themselves.

Body switching and immortality is easily accomplished without Super Dragonballs.

[PFM18]

No, I am legitimately dumbfounded how someone can't understand a person may think one show is better than another without any nostalgia involved.



No, I said nothing of the sort. I said that it's a fact that there are people who have little to no nostalgic attachment towards the original series and still think Super is much worse. You're the one trying to delegitimatize other people's opinions here by saying they're all blinded by nostalgia.

It isn't a matter of being unable to understand that people can assert one show is better than another without nostalgia involved. I literally didn't even imply that everybody does have nostalgia involved. I think it is irrational to think that people can view the original series as a child, available to them whenever, with the exact same mindset as watching it as an adult, watching it week to week, with an image of the original series in the back of their mind. The mindset is just going to be different, people can be biased without even realizing it. Considering that the situations are different in viewings, to not acknowledge that this difference could be reflected in their opinion is just ridiculous. I didn't say that everybody is blinded by nostalgia not even close.

Yes, you did say something of the sort. You literally said before "You are the only one that thinks this way" and now you are asserting your argument using the phrase "a ton of them". Excuse me for thinking you may be pulling another appeal to populace.(like you have never done that before) I am not trying to delegitimize anybody's opinion just saying that the general public's opinion on Super compared to the original series may have(and probably does) have some bias involved.

I think the main problem with Super is the lack of lore. It's called Dragonball Super and we barely learn a thing about the Super Dragonballs. What even is the point of the Super Dragonballs if they don't really do many things particularly super?

So, to be clear. restoring 7 entire Universes simultaneously or restore an entire planet to the life it was several years prior is not "particularly super"? Neither of those things would be possible with the normal Dragonballs. I mean sure we could have learned more about the Dragonballs like the creator of them, but they aren't that different than the normal Dragonballs other than the power that they wield and the size of the orbs themselves.

Body switching and immortality is easily accomplished without Super Dragonballs.

I mean we never saw in the canon series that either of thise were achieved with the normal Dragonballs.

But, like I said, the other two never would have been possible with the normal dragon balls for sure

[Bergamo]

It isn't a matter of being unable to understand that people can assert one show is better than another without nostalgia involved. I literally didn't even imply that everybody does have nostalgia involved. I think it is irrational to think that people can view the original series as a child, available to them whenever, with the exact same mindset as watching it as an adult, watching it week to week, with an image of the original series in the back of their mind. The mindset is just going to be different, people can be biased without even realizing it. Considering that the situations are different in viewings, to not acknowledge that this difference could be reflected in their opinion is just ridiculous. I didn't say that everybody is blinded by nostalgia not even close.

Yes, you did say something of the sort. You literally said before "You are the only one that thinks this way" and now you are asserting your argument using the phrase "a ton of them". Excuse me for thinking you may be pulling another appeal to populace.(like you have never done that before) I am not trying to delegitimize anybody's opinion just saying that the general public's opinion on Super compared to the original series may have(and probably does) have some bias involved.



So, to be clear. restoring 7 entire Universes simultaneously or restore an entire planet to the life it was several years prior is not "particularly super"? Neither of those things would be possible with the normal Dragonballs. I mean sure we could have learned more about the Dragonballs like the creator of them, but they aren't that different than the normal Dragonballs other than the power that they wield and the size of the orbs themselves.

Body switching and immortality is easily accomplished without Super Dragonballs.

I mean we never saw in the canon series that either of thise were achieved with the normal Dragonballs.

But, like I said, the other two never would have been possible with the normal dragon balls for sure

It's been stated that immortality was possible with the regular Dragonballs, but body switching is just an assumption.

[Doctor.]

I literally didn't even imply that everybody does have nostalgia involved.

Yes, you did.

Honestly, if people were around in the late 80s and watched them week by week like they do with Super,

"People" means in general. You're saying if "people" weren't kids when they watched Z, they'd be unbiased (i.e. they'd lack nostalgia) and be able to see Super is just as good. You're obviously applying this to the majority of people, it doesn't matter if it's "everyone" or not, so me arguing that there are a "ton" of people that think otherwise is appropriate. It's not an appeal to popularity, it's literally just laying out the facts to you that, yes, there are people with different opinions, believe it or not.

The mindset is just going to be different, people can be biased without even realizing it.

Everyone is biased in regards to everything; we're human beings. The point is that there are a ton of people that try to be unbiased when judging both shows and still think Super does everything worse (just like there are people who try to be unbiased and think Super is as good or better). This isn't to say that you should think the same, as you're needlessly taking offense to. You're the one implying anyone who takes an unbiased approach will see Super as just as good, when that's false.

You literally said before "You are the only one that thinks this way"

Are you holding a grudge or something? I already said it was wrong of me to say that, so I'm not sure why you keep bringing this up.

[PFM18]

I literally didn't even imply that everybody does have nostalgia involved.

Yes, you did.

Honestly, if people were around in the late 80s and watched them week by week like they do with Super,

"People" means in general. You're saying if "people" weren't kids when they watched Z, they'd be unbiased (i.e. they'd lack nostalgia) and be able to see Super is just as good. You're obviously applying this to the majority of people, it doesn't matter if it's "everyone" or not, so me arguing that there are a "ton" of people that think otherwise is appropriate. It's not an appeal to popularity, it's literally just laying out the facts to you that, yes, there are people with different opinions, believe it or not.

The mindset is just going to be different, people can be biased without even realizing it.

Everyone is biased in regards to everything; we're human beings. The point is that there are a ton of people that try to be unbiased when judging both shows and still think Super does everything worse (just like there are people who try to be unbiased and think Super is as good or better). This isn't to say that you should think the same, as you're needlessly taking offense to. You're the one implying anyone who takes an unbiased approach will see Super as just as good, when that's false.

You literally said before "You are the only one that thinks this way"

Are you holding a grudge or something? I already said it was wrong of me to say that, so I'm not sure why you keep bringing this up.

Yes, "people" does mean in general this is true. within the demographic of DB fans that seem to dislike Super so intensely and scrutinize all of the little details, GENERALLY within this portion of the community,(i.e. not everybody) then a lot of these people would probably have a different view yes. It is not everyone, and it isn't the majority of people because I am only referring to the portion of the community that seem to be biased. I am just saying, that this bias could be based in nostalgia and be rooted in the fact that they originally saw the series as a child. Obviously, I am not disputing that other people have different opinions. Literally just acknowledging that the view of Super may be warped. Definitely there are people that take an unbiased, view uninfluenced by nostalgia, that believe Super is bad. I am JUST saying that generally speaking the view of Super ay be skewed for the aforementioned reasons.

Yeah there are people that try to be unbiased obviously and think the way that you mentioned. I do believe that there are people, (NOT EVERYONE) that are trying to be unbiased but are ultimately very biased and have a warped view of what the original series actually is. AGAIN, not EVERYONE. So no I am not saying that anyone who takes an unbiased approach will see Super is just as good. It is just my personal opinion that Super is roughly about as good as Z and DB. The general viewpoint of the series may be influenced by the aforementioned reasons, giving Super an unfair reputation compared to the other series. Sure, anyone who takes an unbiased approach may ultimately think Super is worse and not as good. But, I mean, to say Super does everything worse might be indicative of not giving a fair shake to Super given the fact that the overarching story is written by the same guy and animated by the same company.

No I am not holding a grudge. Is it not rational to think that given that you did that before that you may be doing it again here? is that so insane? It appeared you were doing it, and you had already set a precedent.

[Doctor.]

Yes, "people" does mean in general this is true. within the demographic of DB fans that seem to dislike Super so intensely and scrutinize all of the little details, GENERALLY within this portion of the community,(i.e. not everybody) then a lot of these people would probably have a different view yes. It is not everyone, and it isn't the majority of people because I am only referring to the portion of the community that seem to be biased. I am just saying, that this bias could be based in nostalgia and be rooted in the fact that they originally saw the series as a child. Obviously, I am not disputing that other people have different opinions. Literally just acknowledging that the view of Super may be warped. Definitely there are people that take an unbiased, view uninfluenced by nostalgia, that believe Super is bad. I am JUST saying that generally speaking the view of Super ay be skewed for the aforementioned reasons.

You confirm "people" means "in general", but then say that it doesn't apply to the majority. That's what "in general" means.

But, I mean, to say Super does everything worse might be indicative of not giving a fair shake to Super given the fact that the overarching story is written by the same guy and animated by the same company.

And here's the problem. Not being able to comprehend how someone may have a different opinion without attributing it to some external factor like bias.

No I am not holding a grudge. Is it not rational to think that given that you did that before that you may be doing it again here? is that so insane? It appeared you were doing it, and you had already set a precedent.

That's literally what holding a grudge means. I could also say you've set a precedent of being needlessly aggressive against me for my DBS opinions, but I don't bring that up (outside of this instance to prove a point).

[PFM18]

Yes, "people" does mean in general this is true. within the demographic of DB fans that seem to dislike Super so intensely and scrutinize all of the little details, GENERALLY within this portion of the community,(i.e. not everybody) then a lot of these people would probably have a different view yes. It is not everyone, and it isn't the majority of people because I am only referring to the portion of the community that seem to be biased. I am just saying, that this bias could be based in nostalgia and be rooted in the fact that they originally saw the series as a child. Obviously, I am not disputing that other people have different opinions. Literally just acknowledging that the view of Super may be warped. Definitely there are people that take an unbiased, view uninfluenced by nostalgia, that believe Super is bad. I am JUST saying that generally speaking the view of Super ay be skewed for the aforementioned reasons.

You confirm "people" means "in general", but then say that it doesn't apply to the majority. That's what "in general" means.

But, I mean, to say Super does everything worse might be indicative of not giving a fair shake to Super given the fact that the overarching story is written by the same guy and animated by the same company.

And here's the problem. Not being able to comprehend how someone may have a different opinion without attributing it to some external factor like bias.

No I am not holding a grudge. Is it not rational to think that given that you did that before that you may be doing it again here? is that so insane? It appeared you were doing it, and you had already set a precedent.

That's literally what holding a grudge means. I could also say you've set a precedent of being needlessly aggressive against me for my DBS opinions, but I don't bring that up (outside of this instance to prove a point).

Did you read what I said? I am making a distinction between your accusation that I said "everybody" and what I am actually saying which is "generally within the demographic of people that dislike Super so intensely.." which are completely different things. talking generally about a small portion within the community compared to literally everybody in the community.

Again, I have to question if you actually read everything that I said. You took one comment completely out of context. To say Super is worse, sure, that is fine that makes sense. But to say that Super does literally everything worse than the original series is probably rooted in an inherent bias. For example, I have no idea how you could conclude that Super past the retellings doesn't have objectively better animation than DB and DBZ.

No, that is literally not what a grudge means. If I had a grudge, I would resent you, which I do not. Honestly, I have absolutely no idea how you came to the conclusion that I am needlessly aggressive towards you.

[Doctor.]

Did you read what I said? I am making a distinction between your accusation that I said "everybody" and what I am actually saying which is "generally within the demographic of people that dislike Super so intensely.." which are completely different things. talking generally about a small portion within the community compared to literally everybody in the community.

Again, I have to question if you actually read everything that I said. You took one comment completely out of context. To say Super is worse, sure, that is fine that makes sense. But to say that Super does literally everything worse than the original series is probably rooted in an inherent bias. For example, I have no idea how you could conclude that Super past the retellings doesn't have objectively better animation than DB and DBZ.

I read what you said. I cut stuff out so the post isn't excessively long and respond to what I deem most important. But since you seem to take so much offense to it, I'll just leave everything in.

The fact that you can't seem to realize how a person may have a different opinion is what's troubling. One can say that DB and Z have better animation on average because Super still has a ton of bad-looking episodes following the retellings, and even in the TOP, when things looked more consistent and you had the best episodes in the franchise in terms of animation, you had a ton of reused shots and some very bad and iffy episodes in the mix. I wouldn't necessarily agree DB and Z look better as a whole, but I acknowledge the argument can be made for it. The fact that you can't acknowledge that someone can make a good argument that opposes what you think is what I have an issue with. You're calling people biased when you lack the self-awareness to see that you're biased yourself.

And before you bring up, again, how I said "you're the only person who thinks this way" before as a way to say I'm being hypocritical, I, again, say that I shouldn't have said that.

[PFM18]

Did you read what I said? I am making a distinction between your accusation that I said "everybody" and what I am actually saying which is "generally within the demographic of people that dislike Super so intensely.." which are completely different things. talking generally about a small portion within the community compared to literally everybody in the community.

Again, I have to question if you actually read everything that I said. You took one comment completely out of context. To say Super is worse, sure, that is fine that makes sense. But to say that Super does literally everything worse than the original series is probably rooted in an inherent bias. For example, I have no idea how you could conclude that Super past the retellings doesn't have objectively better animation than DB and DBZ.

I read what you said. I cut stuff out so the post isn't excessively long and respond to what I deem most important. But since you seem to take so much offense to it, I'll just leave everything in.

The fact that you can't seem to realize how a person may have a different opinion is what's troubling. One can say that DB and Z have better animation on average because Super still has a ton of bad-looking episodes following the retellings, and even in the TOP, when things looked more consistent and you had the best episodes in the franchise in terms of animation, you had a ton of reused shots and some very bad and iffy episodes in the mix. I wouldn't necessarily agree DB and Z look better as a whole, but I acknowledge the argument can be made for it. The fact that you can't acknowledge that someone can make a good argument that opposes what you think is what I have an issue with. You're calling people biased when you lack the self-awareness to see that you're biased yourself.

And before you bring up, again, how I said "you're the only person who thinks this way" before as a way to say I'm being hypocritical, I, again, say that I shouldn't have said that.

LOL I was not saying that you should be quoting my entire post instead of cuts of it. That was not a problem,you completely missed the point. The points you made against me seemed to ignore my entire post outside of the portion that you quoted. quoting my entire post does not remedy this problem.

bad animation following the retellings? care to provide examples? yeah I mean they re-used animation but after just rewatching ODB it re-used a lot of stuff too it isn't exactly an egregious offense. I can and did acknowledge that someone can make a good argument that opposes what I think as far as Super being roughly as good as the other two series. People argue Super is the worst of the three or it is bad or that it isn't well written etc etc. Literally all I was saying is that somebody that says that Super didn't do ANYTHING as good or better than DB or DBZ is probably biased and possibly rooted in nostalgia.

Body switching and immortality is easily accomplished without Super Dragonballs.

I mean we never saw in the canon series that either of thise were achieved with the normal Dragonballs.

But, like I said, the other two never would have been possible with the normal dragon balls for sure

It's been stated that immortality was possible with the regular Dragonballs, but body switching is just an assumption.

I mean that is ultimately just speculation that those things are possible with regular DBs. Several characters tried to get immortality through the normal DBs but we were never actually given 100% certainty that immortality can be done with regular dragonballs and body switching probably isn't possible because certain wishes are only possible if given permission and I would imagine with the regular Dragon Balls goku wouldn't have allowed it. (When they wished for Goku to go back to earth his permission was required and he declined.

But bringing back 7 universes from being erased is definitely not possible with regular dragon balls. I am not even sure that they can bring back ONE person from being erased. normal shenron can just take the halo off and send them back from the other world to the living world. if they are erased from existence, Shenron isn't neccessairly able to bring them back. The thing that was done with Champa is definitely not possible with the normal Dragon Balls because the Earthlings had been dead for several years.