The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[hleV]

East Kaioshin could have been on the other side of the universe when South Kaioshin was absorbed. Therefore he wouldn't know exactly how he was absorbed.

Kaioshin's words imply that he was actually there with all the other Kaioshins, as he knows in which order the Kaioshins were killed, that South Kaioshin was absorbed 1st and Dai-Kaioshin 2nd, while he himself somehow survived.

[Fox666]

The matchup is like asking who's stronger...A SSJ from 1000 years ago or SSJ Goku on Namek. Just not enough information.

Goku was 150,000,000 while Bardock probably at 500,000 based on the movie.

Perhaps you meant only the manga canon? But still it wasn't the best analogy.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Bardock's the Super Saiyan from 1000 yrs ago that Vegeta's constantly going on about?

[hleV]

Bardock's the Super Saiyan from 1000 yrs ago that Vegeta's constantly going on about?

Not really. That was more like a continuation for the Bardock movie special, which was made by Toei. At least that's not really manga-canon, if you ask me.

[lash]

Kaioshin's words imply that he was actually there with all the other Kaioshins, as he knows in which order the Kaioshins were killed, that South Kaioshin was absorbed 1st and Dai-Kaioshin 2nd, while he himself somehow survived.

How?

Kaioshin: “In m…my era there were five Kaioshins…until they were defeated by the Majin Boo that the wizard Babidi created…I was the youngest and most powerless one, but I somehow survived, with only heavy injuries…But the other four fell to Boo…First, two were killed…the North Kaioshin and the West Kaioshin….And then the South Kaioshin, the burliest and strongest one, was…somehow absorbed by Boo….. “
Elder Kaioshin: …And he became that huge Boo from before? “
Kaioshin: “…Yes…Next to be absorbed was the fat but kind and gentle Dai-Kaioshin….The Majin Boo that Bibidi created was evil itself, a failed creation that even Bibidi himself couldn’t handle, but by absorbing the Dai-Kaioshin, he somehow become controllable…. “

Pretty ambiguous if you ask me.
I'm sure he was there to witness when Dai Kaioshin was absorbed, since it actually shows him there. But nothing really says Pure Boo killed or attacked all the Kaioshin in one moment, or at the same time, or even when they were all together. The anime certainly doesn't think so too. Kaioshin would know the order Boo attacked due to the order the Kaioshin disappear, or ceased communication.

Goku was 150,000,000 while Bardock probably at 500,000 based on the movie.

Perhaps you meant only the manga canon? But still it wasn't the best analogy.

I did mean just the manga.
But even humoring this...we don't know how strong Bardock was when he became a SSJ. He very well could have been 3 or even 20 million from one near death plot induced powerup .

[CaBrPi]

Something of a gag match inspired by watching the early Boo arc last night- Chi-Chi (Boo arc) vs. Videl (post-flight training).

I don't think Chi-Chi's too far out of her prime to be a match for Videl, as we know that she's given Goten at least basic training, and we later see Videl laying the smackdown on what basically amounts to a zombified Hulk, so I really think this could be an interesting match, to tell the truth.

[Senzu_Bean]

Chi-Chi (Boo arc) vs. Videl (post-flight training).

Both of these women are far above ordinary human level but according to Weekly or V-Jump Chi Chi is pretty close to Muten Roshi and I don't think Videl is that strong. But we don't know if Chi Chi is out of shape after those years. Still I go with Chi Chi.

[Rocketman]

ChiChi would wreck Videl.

[CatouttaHell]

That would go like Mister Satan vs. Perfect Cell except replace Mister Satan with his daughter and Cell with Chichi.

Videl isn't that far above Satan, who Toriyama stated is weaker than Bob Sapp, a real life human. I seriously doubt Videl is even strong enough to affect the Bear Bandit with any of her attacks.

Chichi on the other hand is so powerful that even 23rd Son Goku was frantically dodging all of her attacks. Not to mention she saw him one-shot a powered-up Chapa-o who is probably gaining on 22nd Kuririn or Tambourine at this point and wasn't surprised at least.

The Anime even states that 23rd Chichi is >>> Young Piccolo Daimao, for whatever that's worth.

[lash]

The Anime even states that 23rd Chichi is >>> Young Piccolo Daimao, for whatever that's worth.

Must be the dub...

[CatouttaHell]

^ I don't even watch the dub. In the Japanese Anime Ma Junior says he'll see his (Son's) true strength when he's about to fight Chichi.

[FNF]

True dat. That implies that he would need to be stronger than his younger self, who beat Piccolo Daimao, to beat ChiChi.

[In Brightest Day]

Kaioshin vs. Kaio at equal power levels.

Assuming King Kai doesn't just pull a Piccolo, who takes this?

[FNF]

With paralysis arts: Kaioshin (assuming Kaio doesn't have any).
Without_: Kaio

Kaioshin wasn't all he was cracked up to be. I would say he was incompetent at best.

[Kaboom]

Kaioshin's a decent fighter; he's just a scaredy-cat, especially against anything or anyone related to Majin Boo. But he'd have no such apprehensions in an even-level fight against one of his own subordinates. Meanwhile, Kaio seems to be much better suited as a teacher than as a fighter. Unless he can manage to successfully pull off... uh, one of his own techniques, he'll probably lose.

So I say it's Kaioshin 3 out of 5 times.

[lash]

I'd give it to Kaioshin.
His paralysis arts would spell trouble for Kaio. His durability is also a force to be reckoned with. Kaio has essentially no known techniques that I could see giving him an advantage(in b4 'unmastered Kaioken').

In the Japanese Anime Ma Junior says he'll see his (Son's) true strength when he's about to fight Chichi.

Eh? I think you're jumping too quickly to conclusions.
All it means is Piccolo expects Goku to actually use some of his real power to fight Chi Chi.

Doesn't mean Chi Chi is greater than what Goku or Daimao was 3 years ago.
It just means she's good enough to merit a guy >= Piccolo Daimao to actually try if they want to beat her.
In which, judging by the amount of effort Goku puts in to defeating her, would hopefully give a decent estimate to how powerful he has gotten.

[Michsi]

Chichi, without a doubt. The only thing Videl has on her side is the abbility to fly, but that's it.

The Anime even states that 23rd Chichi is >>> Young Piccolo Daimao,

I really doubt it, Goku knocked her away while holding back and still hit her harder than he meant. Even if he got stronger, I seriously doubt he could do that to Daimao.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

I think Kaioshin would beat Kaio, with or without his Paralysis Arts.

[Saiga]

Videl vs ChiChi: Videl.

Kaio vs Kaioshin: Kaio. Kaio-ken! Even if it is an imperfect kaio-ken, I don't see Kaioshin winning with his restraining techniques and he looks like he has to hold still to use them.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Chi-Chi (Boo arc) vs. Videl (post-flight training)

I'm just going to copy the relevant part what I wrote about Chi-Chi in my battle power list.

Kame-sennin called Chi-Chi a master, and that her style resembled his own Kame-sen School. However, Chi-Chi didn't think that Gokû could defeat her and didn't think he'd get this strong, suggesting that she's at least stronger than Gokû at the beginning of the series, having been trained by Gyu-maô. Also, Gokû blew Chi-Chi out of bounds with a shockwave harder than he meant to, smashing her against the tournament wall and she got up with barely a hair out of place, while Goku KO'd King Chapa with one light karate chop to the neck, which seems to me that Chi-Chi's stronger than King Chapa.

On the other hand, Videl is, for intents and purposes, just a regular Earthling martial artist who happens to be able to fly. She's heckuva strong, moreso than Mr. Satan, and broke Spopovich's neck with a kick, but I don't think she'd be able to last long against Chi-Chi's overwhelming strength.