"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Araki]

I'm surprised we haven't gotten the episode summary magazine scan from Weekly Jump yet. (Not that it usually has much in the way of new info, but last week's did mention the Piccolo bit.).

We got it on Saturday already.

Spoiler:

It was talking about the next two episodes (41-42) because there'll be no Jump next week, it's a double issue.

[Chuquita]

Oh! I didn't realize it was that! I didn't read close enough. ^^;
I'm so used to looking for the usual layout with the "This week in--" thing along with the recycled screenshots.

Thank you!

(I also forgot Golden Week is next week. At least there'll be a Weekly Jump the week Copy-Vegeta airs, since I'm most excited for spoilers on that.)

[Bullza]

Can someone give me a brief rundown of Toriyama's involvement with this show?

He isn't writing the episodes scripts but I remember him saying he was writing this arc. Is he involved with the Super manga? He seems to be working with Toyotaro but then the manga is now severely behind the anime so I don't know what he could be doing there.

So how do they all relate to one another?

[Gyt Kaliba]

I don't know anything for certain, so hopefully someone with a more definitive answer will come along, but...if I had to venture any kind of guess, I would say Toriyama wrote the core concept, probably fairly deeply but not like every little thing. I would imagine he basically wrote out the concept of Champa and Vados appearing, who they are, and why they came, and then the idea of the tournament and it's fighters plus who fights who and how each fight goes, and the resolution of the arc as well as whatever hints of what's to come appear. As for why he seems to be working more closely with Toyotaro, it's probably because manga is a medium he's far more intimately involved with, so overseeing Toyotaro's process and overall work is something he's more in tune with doing, whereas with Toei he generally just hands off the work to them...until he seemingly/possibly has to crack that whip anyway.

[Blade]

Like Gyt said, I think Toriyama is road-mapping the anime with a general plot direction and character designs.

Said roadmap is also something that Toyotaro is being provided with separately, but Toriyama seems to be reviewing his manga. I'm not sure if I can say the same about anime storyboards, though - that much has been unclear.

[Bullza]

Well between the anime and the manga there are some things that are pretty much identical, lines of dialogue that will be the exact same between the two but then other things will be very different.

The Goku vs Botamo fight was similiar in the anime and the manga but then the Vegeta vs Magetta fight was completely different altogether.

The Cruise Ship setting looks exactly the same in the anime and the manga but the Arena looks a lot different.

Pilaf, Shu and Mai and maybe others aswell as friends and family of the U6 team are at the Arena in the manga but aren't in the anime and then there's whole scenes that are in the manga and not the anime and vice versa.

[Gyt Kaliba]

I'd almost wager a guess that some of the differences are being made intentionally, so as to give both products a bit more of a separation as products so as to hopefully entice people to get both.

I mean, I know a lot of people here swear by the manga over the anime, but the fact is that we really are in a reverse situation compared to the norm. Before, the manga was the primary product with the anime being the adaptation and worked as an advertisement for the manga in a way. Now, with Super, the anime is the main product, with the manga being the advertisement. But they're also now in a place where they want to and are collecting said advertisement into volumes to sell. If the two are completely identical on every respect, but the manga isn't the original, then that's probably less incentive for some people to buy. But if there are some minor differences between the two, word on that might spread and thus encourage people who were only planning to watch the anime, to also pick up the manga to see the differences for themselves.

[Sodhi]

I feel like Zen'o is going to just be like "Champa, if you want the Earth so bad, why don't you just use the Super Dragon Balls to wish your Earth back to life?" And then that's what they'll do. Because that was always the logical option. Champa and Beerus just ignored it because they wanted to one-up each other.

Makes the most sense but then beerus will lose his earned wish.

[JulieYBM]

We know he wrote the plotline and designed the characters. That's about it. King Ryuu and other professional writers for television have been writing the scripts based off of Toriyama's notes. Those scripts are then adapted during the storyboarding stage further.

[Neon Z]

Vegeta vs Mageta was in the same in the sense that it followed a basic similar description for both - Vegeta's attacks don't damage Mageta, but he attempts to destroy the arena and insults him, finally winning. I guess Toriyama's outline for that battle was very vague, like my previous sentence, which is why the execution was very different in both.

Regarding the manga's arena design though - Toriyama specifically redrew the beginning of the tournament. It's the only pages of the manga where he went and redrew the entire storyboard.

Pilaf, Shu and Mai and maybe others aswell as friends and family of the U6 team are at the Arena in the manga but aren't in the anime and then there's whole scenes that are in the manga and not the anime and vice versa.

There seemed to be some last minute change regarding the current arc for the anime. I don't know why it happened. We saw storyboards including Kuririn with his manga design (BoGs outfit, but bald), but then he obviously looked different in the final product.

[JulieYBM]

Pilaf, Shu and Mai and maybe others aswell as friends and family of the U6 team are at the Arena in the manga but aren't in the anime and then there's whole scenes that are in the manga and not the anime and vice versa.

There seemed to be some last minute change regarding the current arc for the anime. I don't know why it happened. We saw storyboards including Kuririn with his manga design (BoGs outfit, but bald), but then he obviously looked different in the final product for the anime.

That wasn't a storyboard, that was a finished key animation drawing. Which is to say, the storyboard was completed, approved of by the series director, adapted into a layout drawing, returned to the key animator and then adapted into a key animation drawing only for it to be discarded entirely. When the average episode is usually only allowed one and half months that's a lot of precious time to toss out.

[kinisking]

Hm.. What if gohan meets arale at his scientific conference. That would make sense. That episode is tied in with pan, and nozawa is one of the actors that was in the picture. It could be goku but it could also be gohan. This would give a purpose for the conference.

[Kuririn Fan]

Hm.. What if gohan meets arale at his scientific conference. That would make sense. That episode is tied in with pan, and nozawa is one of the actors that was in the picture. It could be goku but it could also be gohan. This would give a purpose for the conference.

The purpose of the conference was creating lame reason why Gohan isn't fighting in the tournament.

[kinisking]

Hm.. What if gohan meets arale at his scientific conference. That would make sense. That episode is tied in with pan, and nozawa is one of the actors that was in the picture. It could be goku but it could also be gohan. This would give a purpose for the conference.

The purpose of the conference was creating lame reason why Gohan isn't fighting in the tournament.

Yeah most likely. But this would be a neat idea to tie arale into the story. I don't know much about dr slump but she's a robot right? Would make sense for her creator and her to be at the conference.

[Araki]

Regarding the manga's arena design though - Toriyama specifically redrew the beginning of the tournament. It's the only pages of the manga where he went and redrew the entire storyboard.

He redrew one single page. It's not like he would change Toyotaro's entire settings just because of that, that wouldn't make sense. And i doubt he cares.

Most likely Toriyama never presented a design for the arena and the audience, and that's why both the anime and the manga were able to show different interpretations.

[Kagari]

Hm.. What if gohan meets arale at his scientific conference. That would make sense. That episode is tied in with pan, and nozawa is one of the actors that was in the picture. It could be goku but it could also be gohan. This would give a purpose for the conference.

The purpose of the conference was creating lame reason why Gohan isn't fighting in the tournament.

Yeah most likely. But this would be a neat idea to tie arale into the story. I don't know much about dr slump but she's a robot right? Would make sense for her creator and her to be at the conference.

I like this idea. I hope you're right.
I think he will be in the episode in some capacity anyway since it involves his kid.

[Captain Space]

And I AM CAUGHT UP!

Man, the first two arcs were a mixed bag of good and bad but I enjoyed the universe-tournament arc all the way through, characters I like, humour that had me giggling for ages, creative action, a couple 'hell yea' moments...plus I got that "the DB universe and story is really expanding and progressing" sense for the first time since Battle of Gods came out.

One thing I was wondering though--and if this was already discussed sorry and feel free to just point me to that page--but was Hit actually getting stronger as well as improving his time-leap technique, or just improving the technique?

[Hugo Boss]

One thing I was wondering though--and if this was already discussed sorry and feel free to just point me to that page--but was Hit actually getting stronger as well as improving his time-leap technique, or just improving the technique?

We could say that improving his technique makes him stronger overall. But if you mean his battle power is raising, no, it's the same.

[Sora Saiyan]

One thing I was wondering though--and if this was already discussed sorry and feel free to just point me to that page--but was Hit actually getting stronger as well as improving his time-leap technique, or just improving the technique?

It sounds as though Hits attacks also powered up, as we know he was trying his hardest (not including killing moves) against Goku prior to his improvement, and this is what is said after he improves his Tokitobashi.

Context: Goku stands up and begins to plan ahead.

12:24 | Goku: "Hit's powered up attack really hurt."
12:31 | Goku: "I can only take a couple more of 'em at best."
12:35 | Goku: "But... That's all I need."
12:41 | Goku: "0.2 seconds... Ain't nothing I can't handle."

Also, before that quote I posted Hit basically states that he became stronger.

Hit: "Unlike you Saiyans, I can't transform to power up,"
09:22 | Hit: "which left me with only one way to become stronger..."
09:30 | Piccolo: "G-Growth...

[Captain Space]

It sounds as though Hits attacks also powered up, as we know he was trying his hardest (not including killing moves) against Goku prior to his improvement, and this is what is said after he improves his Tokitobashi.

Context: Goku stands up and begins to plan ahead.

12:24 | Goku: "Hit's powered up attack really hurt."
12:31 | Goku: "I can only take a couple more of 'em at best."
12:35 | Goku: "But... That's all I need."
12:41 | Goku: "0.2 seconds... Ain't nothing I can't handle."

Also, before that quote I posted Hit basically states that he became stronger.

Hit: "Unlike you Saiyans, I can't transform to power up,"
09:22 | Hit: "which left me with only one way to become stronger..."
09:30 | Piccolo: "G-Growth...

The second one could just be saying he 'grew' his technique and such, but the first one seems pretty conclusive yeah. Unless it's just that having more time in his time-leap let him pull off a heavier attack or something.