Zamasu55 wrote:
You're right, the unexplained bullshit transformation he got in the anime is far better.
If you're going to try to defend something, at least defend it on its own merits instead of deflecting and using straw man's. Trunks was still useless regardless of what happened in the anime
Besides, Trunks didn't really even get a new transformation. He got a bit bulkier and his hair got a little spikier. That's literally any generic Ssj transformation. The only new thing is the appearance of the aura.
The logic behind it is hardly bullshit since the angry power boost thing is a trait of the Saiyan's and has been done numerous times before with Gohan, Vegeta, and Goku. What is there to explain? The only bullshit thing about it is the size of the power jump but at least Trunks wasn't a background character.
So that was Trunks SS2 with SSB equivalent power? That's new, but, hey, with all the clarifications we got, it's one more theory to the list. Always welcome.
The thing is, his response is fair, because ignoring all Trunks did in the arc just because he didn't got a power up leads to that. He fought Black three times, helped his friends escape, cured Goku and others in lesser grade and he did cut merged Zamasu and stab Black, although this meant no victory. The nonsense of the Genki sword didn't mean victory either, by the way.
People hype it up as a new transformation but the series never stated that it was. As I mentioned, there was hardly any difference which leads me to believe that "Ssj rage" is simply just an enraged powered up version of ssj2 like Vegeta when he fought Beerus.
You're just listing miniscule things and making them seem grander than they really are.
In the anime Trunks was actively involved in the fight against Black and Zamasu.
In the manga Trunks did small things on occasion and helplessly stood in the background the majority of the time while Goku and Vegeta handled everything as usual.
I hope it's explained in this chapter, because as of now Goku going to get Zeno is a plothole. It contradicts Bulma saying they can't go back to Trunks' timeline after their last trip
OLKv3 wrote:I hope it's explained in this chapter, because as of now Goku going to get Zeno is a plothole. It contradicts Bulma saying they can't go back to Trunks' timeline after their last trip
well they did the same thing in the anime as well. So i'ts just bad writing
Can't wait to see more. Though I wonder if they really do wipe out Trunks timeline when Zamasu isn't merged with the universe...somehow. So does Zeno overkill everything? Wouldn't be surprising.
I like the more grounded non Gary Stu Trunks approach. I can't really comment as a whole til I see the rest of the pages.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
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Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
OLKv3 wrote:I hope it's explained in this chapter, because as of now Goku going to get Zeno is a plothole. It contradicts Bulma saying they can't go back to Trunks' timeline after their last trip
well they did the same thing in the anime as well. So i'ts just bad writing
The anime never had the "the connection betweens timelines are weakening!" plot point.
Cursemark505 wrote:
People hype it up as a new transformation but the series never stated that it was. As I mentioned, there was hardly any difference which leads me to believe that "Ssj rage" is simply just an enraged powered up version of ssj2 like Vegeta when he fought Beerus.
Even the manga had Trunks' SS2 powered up to the point that it rivalled Goku's SS3. I wonder if those were supposed to be the same thing? Toei could have simply moved it to a later point in the story for a big dramatic moment when he transforms.
Was really hoping we'd have still gotten the full on Twilight Zone level shit of Cloud Zamasu. Still hoping Gohan shows up for a small moment with Trunks.
Oh well, glad we've finally got a complete arc, so I can now give it a one sitting read!....in a few days.
Zephyr wrote:Was really hoping we'd have still gotten the full on Twilight Zone level shit of Cloud Zamasu. Still hoping Gohan shows up for a small moment with Trunks.
Oh well, glad we've finally got a complete arc, so I can now give it a one sitting read!....in a few days.
I can't see Gohan appearing. Seems to me Mr.Toriyama ignored the character until the upcoming ToP arc and Toyotarõ did the same.
I will also read the arc in one sitting. It should be much more rewarding than with one month intervals.
I'm like 100% sure Gohan (or Future Gohan) wouldn't have appeared in the FT arc if Toriyama drew it himself. Though I believe they should have had Trunks asking for Gohan as soon as he arrived, as Gohan was the strongest fighter when Trunks last visited the past.
悟 “Vincit qui se vincit”
What I consider canonical
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Dragon Ball Manga
Jaco: The Galactic Patrolman
Yo! Son Goku and Friends Return
Additional lore from Toriyama
Dragon Ball Daima
"Bulma, stop that! We've talked about this... You have cooties."
When Super apparently shoves Goku down our throats:
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HeroR wrote:The characters in Super can work with Goku and they're treated like equals to him. Goku just being in the room doesn't take away from the character. In Z, the characters were so depended on Goku that they couldn't go an episode without mentioning him in some way even by hoping he will arrived, get better, training to get stronger, our last hope, being like him, ect. Goku was wanked to hell in Z, even when he wasn't in the room and everyone else was secondary to him. In fact, this was a major issue Goku had, which is why he didn't want to do anything in the Buu Saga.
Kanassa wrote:
FoolsGil wrote:I hope Mark is dead. But chances are the dragonballs will bring his stupid ass back.
Meh, I would have prefered to see "Universal" Zamasu, I think it was better than he running like a wimp before being erased.
Zamasu55 wrote:
Totamo wrote:Oh look at that, zamasu runs away like a coward, turning him into even more of a wimp and because it's the same ending this makes the manga worse.
He's facing the King of All, seeing him scared is the best thing of this chapter.
Well, If Zamasu didn't intend to face Zeno that means the whole "glass canon" theory is broke now, isn't? Zeno is all powerful by himself that no one might be able to hurt him.
Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
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Nickolaidas wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
Noah wrote:Meh, I would have prefered to see "Universal" Zamasu, I think it was better than he running like a wimp before being erased.
Zamasu55 wrote:
Totamo wrote:Oh look at that, zamasu runs away like a coward, turning him into even more of a wimp and because it's the same ending this makes the manga worse.
He's facing the King of All, seeing him scared is the best thing of this chapter.
Well, If Zamasu didn't intend to face Zeno that means the whole "glass canon" theory is broke now, isn't? Zeno is all powerful by himself that no one might be able to hurt him.
Maybe Zeno has a weakness nobody knows about. Though Shin was sure nothing could have happened to the Future Zeno when Goku asked for it in the future.
悟 “Vincit qui se vincit”
What I consider canonical
Spoiler:
Dragon Ball Manga
Jaco: The Galactic Patrolman
Yo! Son Goku and Friends Return
Additional lore from Toriyama
Dragon Ball Daima
Noah wrote:Meh, I would have prefered to see "Universal" Zamasu, I think it was better than he running like a wimp before being erased.
Zamasu55 wrote:
Totamo wrote:Oh look at that, zamasu runs away like a coward, turning him into even more of a wimp and because it's the same ending this makes the manga worse.
He's facing the King of All, seeing him scared is the best thing of this chapter.
Well, If Zamasu didn't intend to face Zeno that means the whole "glass canon" theory is broke now, isn't? Zeno is all powerful by himself that no one might be able to hurt him.
You're saying as if this is new, when they discussed this in an earlier chapter. Black and Zamasu were planning to flee Earth because they didn't want to attract Zeno's attention
Dragonballgod19 wrote:Zamasus trying to run away from Zeno like total bitches hurt my soul My god they really ruined black and zamasu in the manga
Oh really? So you wanted Zamasu to face ZENO? That's right? In addition to the fact that the Gods greatly respected their superiors (always being afraid), he still had destroyed the whole future. Kaioh could do absolutely nothing in front of Zeno, I do not understand why you're complaining
He wasn't afraid of him in the anime
Zamasu did not even see Zeno in the anime.
In the manga, Black and Zamasu were already afraid of him realizing his plan.
Anyway, yeah, anime Zamasu is far better. Zamasu merged with the universe and laughed like a madman until Zeno destroyed him. Far better than his last moment in the manga.
Zephyr wrote:Was really hoping we'd have still gotten the full on Twilight Zone level shit of Cloud Zamasu. Still hoping Gohan shows up for a small moment with Trunks.
I can't see Gohan appearing. Seems to me Mr.Toriyama ignored the character until the upcoming ToP arc and Toyotarõ did the same.
Yeah, I'm not counting on it. Would be nice is all.
Legion wrote:Anyway, yeah, anime Zamasu is far better. Zamasu merged with the universe and laughed like a madman until Zeno destroyed him. Far better than his last moment in the manga.
I don't agree. Maybe only if you want him to just look cool. But the fact that he was merged with the universe near the end to me was pretty dumb.
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