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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Fionordequester » Sun Oct 20, 2013 10:21 pm

I'm not sure whether I influenced this or not, but I do appreciate that the vitriol has calmed down a little, presumably at least until the ark has finished :) !
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Marco Polo » Mon Oct 21, 2013 6:30 am

Fionordequester wrote:I'm not sure whether I influenced this or not, but I do appreciate that the vitriol has calmed down a little, presumably at least until the ark has finished :) !
That's because the writing has genuinely improved and the faces are less ridiculous.

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Post by TonyTheTiger » Wed Oct 23, 2013 2:17 pm

How does the release schedule impact the comedy?
Exhibit A:
TheGmGoken wrote:Guess Neko is going to chase it like a Cat only to catch it and make it blow up.
It's just so hard to find much of anything actually funny when the punchlines are predicted days in advance.

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Post by KaiserNeko » Wed Oct 23, 2013 2:18 pm

TonyTheTiger wrote:How does the release schedule impact the comedy?
Exhibit A:
TheGmGoken wrote:Guess Neko is going to chase it like a Cat only to catch it and make it blow up.
It's just so hard to find much of anything actually funny when the punchlines can be called days in advance.
And comedy has to be timed well. If I'm waiting days between jokes, well... :\

Same with action. Oh! He blocked his attack! Now to wait a couple days to see if one or TWO more punches get thrown!
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Post by rereboy » Wed Oct 23, 2013 2:20 pm

TonyTheTiger wrote:How does the release schedule impact the comedy?
Exhibit A:
TheGmGoken wrote:Guess Neko is going to chase it like a Cat only to catch it and make it blow up.
It's just so hard to find much of anything actually funny when the punchlines are predicted days in advance.
You weren't able to call it as you were reading the previous page..? It was only due to not having the next page immediately available that were able to guess it..? :wtf:
KaiserNeko wrote: And comedy has to be timed well. If I'm waiting days between jokes, well... :\

Same with action. Oh! He blocked his attack! Now to wait a couple days to see if one or TWO more punches get thrown!
Gee, guess that really ruins it for you, then. But if that's so, you are reading this comic as the pages are released instead of letting the available pages accumulate for a while and then read it... why? Masochism? Don't get it.
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Post by KentalSSJ6 » Wed Oct 23, 2013 2:22 pm

Friggin knew it.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by KaiserNeko » Wed Oct 23, 2013 2:30 pm

rereboy wrote:
TonyTheTiger wrote:How does the release schedule impact the comedy?
Exhibit A:
TheGmGoken wrote:Guess Neko is going to chase it like a Cat only to catch it and make it blow up.
It's just so hard to find much of anything actually funny when the punchlines are predicted days in advance.
You weren't able to call it as you were reading the previous page..? It was only due to not having the next page immediately available that were able to guess it..? :wtf:
KaiserNeko wrote: And comedy has to be timed well. If I'm waiting days between jokes, well... :\

Same with action. Oh! He blocked his attack! Now to wait a couple days to see if one or TWO more punches get thrown!
Gee, guess that really ruins it for you, then. But if that's so, you are reading this comic as the pages are released instead of letting the available pages accumulate for a while and then read it... why? Masochism? Don't get it.
Better question: Why don't they finish a chapter, then release all the pages?
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Post by KentalSSJ6 » Wed Oct 23, 2013 2:35 pm

Because DBM lost next to all it had going for it once Gogeta Jr. left? Varying artists of inconsistent quality, poor writing, the list goes on. If this series is to have any hope left they need Gogeta Jr. back or make Charlotte the series's full time artist. Not to mention the writing needs a whole team to go over and iron out before anything is finalized.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Marco Polo » Wed Oct 23, 2013 2:38 pm

KaiserNeko wrote:Better question: Why don't they finish a chapter, then release all the pages?
Presumably this would make the translators' work more difficult.

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Post by rereboy » Wed Oct 23, 2013 2:46 pm

KaiserNeko wrote: Better question: Why don't they finish a chapter, then release all the pages?
I see. So, instead of actually doing something that might actually improve your enjoyment of the comic, you prefer to continue to follow it the way you least like to follow it, and just criticize the authors. Continuously. Right.

Let me offer you a thought. There are people out there who don't mind this release schedule and actually prefer to see just a few pages per week than having to wait months for any new material. I, for example, am one of them. Now, do you know what would happen if they decided to just release new material when they finish a chapter? All the people like me, who prefer the current system, would have no choice but to deal with it. There would be literally nothing that we could do. You know what happens right now with this current system? All the people like you, who would prefer to just read full chapters in one go, make a choice: they either follow the comic the way they least like, as it's being released, or they wait until there is a full chapter available or more to read, which is, for all intents and purposes, the same as if the material was being released one chapter at a time from your point of view.

So, yeah, tell me again how that release schedule would be so much better for everyone and how its the authors' fault that the readers who don't like to follow the comic one page at a time, choose to continue to follow it that way instead of waiting a while for the whole chapter to be available. :roll:
KentalSSJ6 wrote:Because DBM lost next to all it had going for it once Gogeta Jr. left? Varying artists of inconsistent quality, poor writing, the list goes on. If this series is to have any hope left they need Gogeta Jr. back or make Charlotte the series's full time artist. Not to mention the writing needs a whole team to go over and iron out before anything is finalized.
The release schedule has been like this way before Gogeta Jr left so I have no idea what Gogeta Jr has to do with the release schedule.

And the main chapters, aka the chapters that aren't specials, since Gogeta jr left, continued to have good art quality.
Marco Polo wrote: Presumably this would make the translators' work more difficult.
No, that wouldn't be a big problem. They probably just prefer to release it this way, maybe because with this system the readers who like to follow it page per page, can follow it that way and the ones who don't like to follow it that way are free to wait a while and then read in one go, making everybody happy. Well, all except the ones who refuse to wait a while to read many pages in one go despite hating reading the comic page per page.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Wed Oct 23, 2013 3:00 pm

KaiserNeko wrote: Better question: Why don't they finish a chapter, then release all the pages?
This would be much better.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by rereboy » Wed Oct 23, 2013 3:04 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
KaiserNeko wrote: Better question: Why don't they finish a chapter, then release all the pages?
This would be much better.
Read my previous post (all of it) and tell me what would be so much better about it. I'm genuinely interested in knowing what would be better about it.

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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Wed Oct 23, 2013 3:15 pm

I read it, and I would still prefer it like that. Not checking this thread for two months would be awful for me. Not that this release schedule annoys me, but I found the Bra special funny when I read the whole chapter at once, while I didn't find it funny at all when I was reading 1 page every Sunday/Wednesday/Friday.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Post by Tzigi » Wed Oct 23, 2013 3:16 pm

KaiserNeko wrote: Better question: Why don't they finish a chapter, then release all the pages?
Not only do I (as someone singlehandedly taking care of translating DBM into Polish) know that it would be detrimental to the precise thing that makes DBM so well known - its availability in 20+ languages, I also, as a fan of manga/comics in general feel frightened at the thought. Have you ever really tried following a webcomic with such irregular schedule? Have you tried to stay attached to the characters, not to forget the intricacies of the plot? I have tried and failed miserably on several occassions. On the other hand those webcomics that have a set schedule are great - you always know when to wait for them, they don't frustrate you (imagine becoming fascinated by a comic and visiting its website every day for like two months and getting angry every day about the fact that it still hasn't been updated).

A real example: Lackadaisy. That's quite possibly the best webcomic in existence. It's wonderfully drawn, has a great, well researched story AND, sadly, a horrible schedule. I just can't care about it - precisely because it follows the kind of schedule you're suggesting for DBM - uploading content in huge batches after a longer wait. I always forget the intricacies of the plot, mix up the characters, events and so on.

So I hope that Salagir will never listen to the likes of you and will leave DBM with its great schedule.

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Post by rereboy » Wed Oct 23, 2013 3:25 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:I read it, and I would still prefer it like that. Not checking this thread for two months would be awful for me. Not that this release schedule annoys me, but I found the Bra special funny when I read the whole chapter at once, while I didn't find it funny at all when I was reading 1 page every Sunday/Wednesday/Friday.
You said it all... YOU would prefer it that way, because it would be so much trouble for you not checking this topic a few times per week. The people that actually prefer the release schedule this way, and that would have no other choice than to deal with it if the release schedule was changed to your preferences, can suck it as far as you are concerned, even though in the current release schedule you are completely free to follow the comic at whatever pace you'd like, meaning that you could follow it at a pace that would be exactly the same as if they were releasing a chapter at a time. But that would be too much trouble, right?
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Wed Oct 23, 2013 3:27 pm

Well yeah, I'm talking about me of course, and how it would be much easier for me.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by rereboy » Wed Oct 23, 2013 3:28 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Well yeah, I'm talking about me of course, and how it would be much easier for me.
I rest my case.

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Post by TonyTheTiger » Wed Oct 23, 2013 4:00 pm

rereboy wrote:You weren't able to call it as you were reading the previous page..? It was only due to not having the next page immediately available that were able to guess it..? :wtf:
Do you honestly believe there is no difference between a set up/punchline being separated by a page turn and a set up/punchline being separated by two or three days? Honestly? And so what if I didn't guess it? What kind of defense is that? "Hey, it's ok because the joke was predictable anyway!" Wonderful. So long as DBM has nothing but predictable jokes that wouldn't be funny even with proper timing, then I guess we're golden.
rereboy wrote:Gee, guess that really ruins it for you, then. But if that's so, you are reading this comic as the pages are released instead of letting the available pages accumulate for a while and then read it... why? Masochism? Don't get it.
Maybe because he likes talking about DBM and it's impossible to do so without having each page spoiled? You act like "letting the available pages accumulate" is a free action and doesn't come with other costs such as no longer being able to participate in the discussion. Plus, can we borrow your crystal ball so we know when a joke is coming in the pages ahead in order to plan our reading schedules accordingly?

I don't get your kneejerk defensiveness. It's blatantly obvious that the release schedule hurts DBM's jokes. Anyone who has even a cursory understanding of how comedy works can see that. So why you're so adamant about arguing against people who merely point that out baffles me. Even if this release schedule were the best for everything else, it still would crush every single gag that lasts for more than one page.

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Post by rereboy » Wed Oct 23, 2013 4:37 pm

TonyTheTiger wrote:
Do you honestly believe there is no difference? Honestly? And so what if I didn't guess it? What kind of defense is that? "Hey, it's ok because the joke was predictable anyway!" Wonderful. So long as DBM has nothing but predictable jokes that wouldn't be funny even with proper timing, then I guess we're golden.
I commented because it was so obvious to me what was gonna happen next that I guessed it immediately as I read the previous page. It had nothing to do with the next page being immediately available or not.

And, as I've stated, follow DBM at the pace you most enjoy instead of complaining about it continuously. Simple.
TonyTheTiger wrote: Can we borrow your crystal ball so we know when a set up and punchline is coming in the pages ahead in order to plan our reading schedules accordingly?

I don't get your kneejerk defensiveness. It's blatantly obvious that the release schedule hurts DBM's jokes. Anyone who has even a cursory understanding of how comedy works can see that. So why you're so adamant about arguing against people who merely point that out baffles me.
Why do you need a crystal ball to know if you prefer to follow the comic page per page, or not? If you don't like that way, don't follow the comic page per page! Its clear that you don't, so why don't you just follow it chapter per chapter? It's your baffling refuse to follow the comic at the pace that you actually prefer that I don't get, not to mention the never ending need to continuously mention it instead of just following it at the pace you like!

There's nothing wrong with the current release schedule because it allows the people who prefer to see a few pages per week instead of waiting months for new material to actually see a few pages per weeks, but it also allows the people who prefer to follow it chapter per chapter instead of page per page, to do so at will, since they only have to wait untill the chapter is finished to read it (its very easy to go DBM's website and see how many pages/chapters were released since the last time we were there without getting spoiled).

If the release schedule was changed, the people which prefer page per page would be screwed and the people who prefer chapter per chapter would follow it in a way that was already available to them before!

THAT's why I don't get your constant complains! You don't even stop for a second to consider that this release schedule is actually the release schedule that is able to satisfy the most people! No, instead you just think of yourselves! You think "oh well, I would prefer chapter per chapter, so this release schedule is obviously wrong and inferior! I mean, I could still follow the comic chapter by chapter if I wanted, it would be rather simple, actually, I would just have to check it once in a while to see if the current chapter was finished and then read in one go, but I'm too lazy, so its the authors' fault obviously. Oh, and who cares about the people who prefer it the way it is right now? Not my problem...".

You can't even think of the big picture and consider that the best release schedule might be the one who is able to satisfy the most people instead of the one that most suits you personally, and yet you just keep on criticizing that release schedule over and over again while you continue to follow the comic at the pace that you least like!! That's crazy!
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