"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[sintzu]

There isn't too much misfit anyway. Goku and Vegeta can still go yellow SSJ and for all we know at some point they might had become able to access their SSG power boost in that form rendering the Blue form transformation (which according to Goku consumes a lot of stamina) obsolete. Kaioshin and Kibito might have goofed up with the potara and merged again. See? It fits!

When Toriyama is done I'm sure they'll continue Super or start a new series so they could make an arc or 2 set after EOZ but before GT and replace everything with the yellow form and have those 2 fuse again for whatever reason.

After they do that they might even continue GT where the shadow dragon arc left off but before the 100 year time skip cause GT is popular in heroes so people in Japan know about it.

[ArchedThunder]

[Yamamuro] Historically, in the arc Buu, he transforms into Super Saiyan 3 ... And about Super Saiyan God, it appears in the Resurrection 'F'. And after that appears DB GT and Super Saiyan 4.

[Yamamuro] Yeah, well, in the TV shows it's logical that there has to be a connection between Dragon Ball and DBGT, but it also have some features more typical of a spin-off. A different thing. The original script is the Toei, no Toriyama.

It appears to me that whatever happens in Super, unless it goes past the EoZ, Toei considers GT as their spin-off continuation of all the canon story that preceded it historically in the timeline including the events of Super we saw so far. If Toei wants to fit GT as a continuation of the canon timeline (instead of having a timeline split after the Buu arc) then they can no matter what the fans say. There isn't too much misfit anyway. Goku and Vegeta can still go yellow SSJ and for all we know at some point they might had become able to access their SSG power boost in that form rendering the Blue form transformation (which according to Goku consumes a lot of stamina) obsolete. Kaioshin and Kibito might have goofed up with the potara and merged again. See? It fits!

He basically just said GT is its own thing...

When Toriyama is done I'm sure they'll continue Super or start a new series so they could make an arc or 2 set after EOZ but before GT and replace everything with the yellow form and have those 2 fuse again for whatever reason.

After they do that they might even continue GT where the shadow dragon arc left off but before the 100 year time skip cause GT is popular in heroes so people in Japan know about it.

The chances of Super and GT ever connecting are pretty much zero. GT will stick around in merch and games, but people should really stop expecting any of the new material to connect to it.

[Shin]

There isn't too much misfit anyway. Goku and Vegeta can still go yellow SSJ and for all we know at some point they might had become able to access their SSG power boost in that form rendering the Blue form transformation (which according to Goku consumes a lot of stamina) obsolete. Kaioshin and Kibito might have goofed up with the potara and merged again. See? It fits!

When Toriyama is done I'm sure they'll continue Super or start a new series so they could make an arc or 2 set after EOZ but before GT and replace everything with the yellow form and have those 2 fuse again for whatever reason.

After they do that they might even continue GT where the shadow dragon arc left off but before the 100 year time skip cause GT is popular in heroes so people in Japan know about it.

no disrespect to you but... I think it's time we let GT go.

[Cetra]

[Yamamuro] Historically, in the arc Buu, he transforms into Super Saiyan 3 ... And about Super Saiyan God, it appears in the Resurrection 'F'. And after that appears DB GT and Super Saiyan 4.

[Yamamuro] Yeah, well, in the TV shows it's logical that there has to be a connection between Dragon Ball and DBGT, but it also have some features more typical of a spin-off. A different thing. The original script is the Toei, no Toriyama.

It appears to me that whatever happens in Super, unless it goes past the EoZ, Toei considers GT as their spin-off continuation of all the canon story that preceded it historically in the timeline including the events of Super we saw so far. If Toei wants to fit GT as a continuation of the canon timeline (instead of having a timeline split after the Buu arc) then they can no matter what the fans say. There isn't too much misfit anyway. Goku and Vegeta can still go yellow SSJ and for all we know at some point they might had become able to access their SSG power boost in that form rendering the Blue form transformation (which according to Goku consumes a lot of stamina) obsolete. Kaioshin and Kibito might have goofed up with the potara and merged again. See? It fits!

He basically just said GT is its own thing...

He didn't do anything. Herms already covered that.

[sintzu]

No disrespect to you but... I think it's time we let GT go.

What I said is what they're doing now, they got rid of Ssj2 & 3 in favor of Ssj1 & Ssjb so they could get rid of Ssjb to line up with Gt.
They defused Kabitoshin for no reason so they could refuse him for no reason as well.

GT is selling heroes' cards and they're currently making high quality action figures based on it's characters so when Toriyama's done, they'll want to continue so with GT getting popular again, there's no reason for them not to take advantage of that.

I agree that GT should be left alone but it's currently making them $$$ and the more it makes, the higher the chances are of them making new stories set in it's timeline.

[Captain Space]

Goku and Vegeta can still go yellow SSJ and for all we know at some point they might had become able to access their SSG power boost in that form rendering the Blue form transformation (which according to Goku consumes a lot of stamina) obsolete.

Problem is I think that SSB *is* just accessing god-power in SSJ. It's just that using that god-power while in yellow-SSJ also has the side effect of making them blue.

I think they were referring to SSJ in general with the stamina drain, in fact. Which is odd considering that "FPSSJ" was supposed to eliminate that, but it's been a whiiiiile since they've remembered that (as early as the Buu saga they seemed to stop making reference to there being any difference between that more mastered version of SSJ1 and the basic, initial version).

[JoeCapricorn]

GT happens on its own timeline where Beerus never visits Earth and Frieza is never resurrected. Someone on here has a detailed explanation of timelines that accounts for all of the movies and GT and I *think* some of the movies are on the same timeline as GT instead of the current timeline that leads to Dragon Ball Super.

[ArchedThunder]

No disrespect to you but... I think it's time we let GT go.

What I said is what they're doing now, they got rid of Ssj2 & 3 in favor of Ssj1 & Ssjb so they could get rid of Ssjb to line up with Gt.
They defused Kabitoshin for no reason so they could refuse him for no reason as well.

GT is selling heroes' cards and they're currently making high quality action figures based on it's characters so when Toriyama's done, they'll want to continue so with GT getting popular again, there's no reason for them not to take advantage of that.

I agree that GT should be left alone but it's currently making them $$$ and the more it makes, the higher the chances are of them making new stories set in it's timeline.

SSJ2 and 3 were dumped because Toriyama prefers simplicity. There is no reason to make Kaioshin and Kabito refuse, that's just grasping at straws.
GT is only one part of Heroes and Heroes still focuses primarily on Z and now Super alongside it and the amount of GT related merch being made is pretty small compared to Z, BoG and F stuff (Still waiting on some merch for the current arc of Super though...)Just because they have done some what if SSJ4 forms and Baby stuff in Heroes isn't enough to really say that GT is getting popular again or that it's making them lots of money, it's just a small part of Heroes.
Also considering Toriyama's comment in the Super History Book I doubt he's leaving the franchise any time soon.
It's far more likely that Toriyama will just push Super past the EoZ eventually and do his own post Z story.

[Hellspawn28]

Kaioshin and Kibito might have goofed up with the potara and merged again. See? It fits!

Why fuse again if Kaioshin didn't like it? It seem pointless. Not to mention Toriyama said that Goku no longer needs SSJ2 and SSj3 which he uses in GT. At the moment, Goku is only using SSj and SSjGSSj. Not to mention the power scaling between the two is too huge. The characters in Super are way stronger than the ones in GT. It also odd that is there is no references to Super or the last two movies in GT if they still reference past events in GT like Buu. Everything gets reference at least once (I'm looking at things in a universe point of view. I know GT came out long before everything else that is new).

[Speedster]

GT happens on its own timeline where Beerus never visits Earth and Frieza is never resurrected.

Yeah that is what we the fans thought but that is not how a man from Toei (Yamamuro) sees it though.

[Yamamuro] Historically, in the arc Buu, he transforms into Super Saiyan 3 ... And about Super Saiyan God, it appears in the Resurrection 'F'. And after that appears DB GT and Super Saiyan 4. Yeah, well, in the TV shows it's logical that there has to be a connection between Dragon Ball and DBGT

Not to mention the power scaling between the two is too huge. The characters in Super are way stronger than the ones in GT.

That's debatable to begin with and in case you didn't notice they don't give a shit about consistent powerscaling (in Super, GT or anywhere) anyway.

Everything gets reference at least once

And how is this an issue? Does Super or Z reference the 22nd TB?

SSJ2 and 3 were dumped because Toriyama prefers simplicity. There is no reason to make Kaioshin and Kabito refuse, that's just grasping at straws.

I didn't see any scene in GT where Goku turn into SSJ2. Some speculate he did against Rildo - same guys are saying that Gohan did not transform into SSJ2 against Dabra as there were no sparks. And for all we know SSJ3 could have been like what Super did with the Kaioken. Besides here we are not talking about Toriyama. We are talking about Toei's continuation of the story past the EoZ in case Super doesn't do it. And from the interview it is apparent that GT is still fitting in the continuity of the main timeline. As long as they believe so they can make it work no matter what some fans say.

[Hellspawn28]

no disrespect to you but... I think it's time we let GT go.

They have for a while now. In 2008, they choose to do a special set in the Z era instead doing one set after GT. Even BOG was set during that same era too. What's the point on linking with a show that is not relevant with today's audience? Kids watching Super probably never seen GT or was not born when it was airing. GT ended nearly 20 years. I know it has it's fans, but we can just focus on what's going on in the series now.

[alakazam^]

Yeah that is what we the fans thought but that is not how a man from Toei (Yamamuro) sees it though.

[Yamamuro] Historically, in the arc Buu, he transforms into Super Saiyan 3 ... And about Super Saiyan God, it appears in the Resurrection 'F'. And after that appears DB GT and Super Saiyan 4. Yeah, well, in the TV shows it's logical that there has to be a connection between Dragon Ball and DBGT

He was just talking about the order of the transformations. If Super is after Boo and before the ending and GT comes after that, it's logical that 4 comes after God, that comes after 3. He's not saying GT counts for anything, though.

[Hellspawn28]

Trying link with GT and Super or the other movies still can not work. We have a Galaxy Size Shenron and yet we are going to believe Dragon Balls created by the original nameless Namek are somewhat stronger. Also Goku said that Super Yi Xing Long is the strongest opponent that he was fought when characters before that are much stronger. Also Freeza didn't use his golden form in Hell against Goku in GT and the Galactic Patrol didn't seem to take notice the Black Star Dragon Balls in space. Also Whis would have taken notice on Super Yi Xing Long's negative energy that was going to destroy the universe.

[Speedster]

Yeah that is what we the fans thought but that is not how a man from Toei (Yamamuro) sees it though.

[Yamamuro] Historically, in the arc Buu, he transforms into Super Saiyan 3 ... And about Super Saiyan God, it appears in the Resurrection 'F'. And after that appears DB GT and Super Saiyan 4. Yeah, well, in the TV shows it's logical that there has to be a connection between Dragon Ball and DBGT

He was just talking about the order of the transformations. If Super is after Boo and before the ending and GT comes after that, it's logical that 4 comes after God, that comes after 3. He's not saying GT counts for anything, though.

He clearly says that there has to be a connection. And he placed the time order of transformations as SSJ3, SSG/SSGSS, SSJ4 as if they were in one history/timeline. If the timeline was meant for them to split right after the Buu arc he would say something along those lines as an explanation.

[Hellspawn28]

And for all we know SSJ3 could have been like what Super did with the Kaioken.

How we do know for sure? I mean Goku so far has seems to ditch SSj3 for his new forms given that SSj3 can only use for a short time before running out of energy and stamina. Goku would gone SSjGSSj against Bebi in GT instead using SSj3 which is a useless form. GT to Dragon Ball now is what X3 is to the new X-Men movies. Other words, a thing of the past and no longer matters to the series. Heroes gives enough love to GT with SSj4 Gohan and SSj4 Broli. Let Super be it's own thing.

[dbzfan7]

He was just talking about the order of the transformations. If Super is after Boo and before the ending and GT comes after that, it's logical that 4 comes after God, that comes after 3. He's not saying GT counts for anything, though.

He clearly says that there has to be a connection. And he placed the time order of transformations as SSJ3, SSG/SSGSS, SSJ4 as if they were in one history/timeline. If the timeline was meant for them to split right after the Buu arc he would say something along those lines as an explanation.

Acknowledging it is enough for me that GT isn't something they frown upon, like others seem to think. Don't know why anyone has a deadset thought of GT IS NON CANON LOLZ/YES IT IS KEK! Like it honestly matters. You can find a ton of problems from Super to EOZ if you want just like GT. We don't know all the answers yet, so we'll see if they're addressed or not. Seems to me people want to say one thing or another either because they like GT and hate it get's hated on, or they despise GT and want any excuse to write it off.

[voltlunok]

He was just talking about the order of the transformations. If Super is after Boo and before the ending and GT comes after that, it's logical that 4 comes after God, that comes after 3. He's not saying GT counts for anything, though.

He clearly says that there has to be a connection. And he placed the time order of transformations as SSJ3, SSG/SSGSS, SSJ4 as if they were in one history/timeline. If the timeline was meant for them to split right after the Buu arc he would say something along those lines as an explanation.

Acknowledging it is enough for me that GT isn't something they frown upon, like others seem to think. Don't know why anyone has a deadset thought of GT IS NON CANON LOLZ/YES IT IS KEK! Like it honestly matters. You can find a ton of problems from Super to EOZ if you want just like GT. We don't know all the answers yet, so we'll see if they're addressed or not. Seems to me people want to say one thing or another either because they like GT and hate it get's hated on, or they despise GT and want any excuse to write it off.

I have to agree, the fact they even talk about it is enough to make me, as a GT fan happy. It means it's not this despised thing around the office or something. It's just not their focus right now...Though I'd honestly say nothing in super is fully set in stone (Least not till the series ends.)...so we'll see how things pan out in the future.

[dbzfan7]

Acknowledging it is enough for me that GT isn't something they frown upon, like others seem to think. Don't know why anyone has a deadset thought of GT IS NON CANON LOLZ/YES IT IS KEK! Like it honestly matters. You can find a ton of problems from Super to EOZ if you want just like GT. We don't know all the answers yet, so we'll see if they're addressed or not. Seems to me people want to say one thing or another either because they like GT and hate it get's hated on, or they despise GT and want any excuse to write it off.

I have to agree, the fact they even talk about it is enough to make me, as a GT fan happy. It means it's not this despised thing around the office or something. It's just not their focus right now...Though I'd honestly say nothing in super is fully set in stone (Least not till the series ends.)...so we'll see how things pan out in the future.

Can't count the number of "LOLZ SIDE STORY MEANS NON CANON!", which it doesn't as tons of side stories are canon. Is it canon? I don't care if it is or isn't. This isn't like X-Men where they deliberately did their best to erase X-3 from happening. If we see anything take place during the GT timeline, then there is your proof. If something takes 5 to 6 years after EOZ, then we know for sure. Til then, it's quite possible the middle period was chosen so it wouldn't coincide with GT. Not saying that was why as Toriyama once I think said everyone was old by the end so that could be it too. Who knows. He didn't think blue was a strong colour either, and yet it's the strongest SSJ form in Super as of now.

[voltlunok]

Acknowledging it is enough for me that GT isn't something they frown upon, like others seem to think. Don't know why anyone has a deadset thought of GT IS NON CANON LOLZ/YES IT IS KEK! Like it honestly matters. You can find a ton of problems from Super to EOZ if you want just like GT. We don't know all the answers yet, so we'll see if they're addressed or not. Seems to me people want to say one thing or another either because they like GT and hate it get's hated on, or they despise GT and want any excuse to write it off.

I have to agree, the fact they even talk about it is enough to make me, as a GT fan happy. It means it's not this despised thing around the office or something. It's just not their focus right now...Though I'd honestly say nothing in super is fully set in stone (Least not till the series ends.)...so we'll see how things pan out in the future.

Can't count the number of "LOLZ SIDE STORY MEANS NON CANON!", which it doesn't as tons of side stories are canon. Is it canon? I don't care if it is or isn't. This isn't like X-Men where they deliberately did their best to erase X-3 from happening. If we see anything take place during the GT timeline, then there is your proof. If something takes 5 to 6 years after EOZ, then we know for sure. Til then, it's quite possible the middle period was chosen so it wouldn't coincide with GT. Not saying that was why as Toriyama once I think said everyone was old by the end so that could be it too. Who knows. He didn't think blue was a strong colour either, and yet it's the strongest SSJ form in Super as of now.

Agreed, the side story defense has been getting tiresome...I mean I can site kamen rider to show how 'side stories' can create a massive, 3-4 year long continuity between series solely through movies that are labeled as side stories.

I think anything can happen to either cut off or connect super from GT or the EoZ but then be undone easily so long as the series keeps rolling. Nothing is really concrete till the show ends and the stories are done, Heck for all we know, Goku and Vegeta could give up their god powers down the road or lose a large amount of power...or the whole series could be a training induced fever dream in Goku's head. We'll never know! At this point I'm just taking what we get, enjoying it and paying no mind or care to 'canon' or continuity unless things specifically call to specific things or happen in specific timelines.

[Chuquita]

Vegeta was so lucky for a while there I had a farfetched theory that Super was a coma-dream of his after a very intense gravity room training session went bad.

It would also explain how he temporarily became taller, only to shrink back to Buu arc height in EoZ. XD