precita wrote:The manga almost has no reason to exist. I don't know why they didn't just do a 1:1 adaption of the anime, leaving out the filler or slice of life episodes or whatever.
Your second sentence here would just presuppose your first one. If the manga was a 1:1 adaptation of the anime, it would definitely have no reason to exist and Toyotaro would barely have an audience.
The fact that it contains certain diverging elements is precisely what's allowed it to maintain whatever reader interest it currently has.
Bulma's Foot Masseur wrote:I wouldn't mind the anime and manga taking different plot directions
You wouldn't mind but that's exactly what should be happening. One of few highlights of the manga are exactly when it presents something different, like Super Saiyan God Vegeta... They should've kept doing different in order to have a legit and solid reason for the manga to exist but... As you said, nope.
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The gr wrote:so are we gonna ignore Trunks slicing mz in half, are you reading This saga, Trunks is weak and all but at least he's the voice of reason and the only sane person because we know Goku and Vegeta are jerks in the manga and he have his moments in the Manga, through I agree with everyone,I hated mz,he felt like super buu
Welp we can say toriyama hates Gohan,he didn't even appear in This version of the arc because is strange Toyo really like Gohan, next chapter better Make up my mind with toriyama opinion on gohan wether he's revelant or not in the outline, because i don't like the idea of gohan being the revelant is just a toei idea and not from Tori
Personally I found Trunks slicing MZ in half in the manga more funny than epic. After standing aside and letting Goku do all the work, he comes up from behind and slices a messed up MZ and then stabs passed out Black in the back. But the thing that really sells the hilarity is that Goku and the others praise him like Trunks did all the heavy lifting in that confrontation. "You did it Trunks! You saved the world!" Like someone else said at the time, it's was like a grown up humoring a child for "Helping".
Maybe I'm blowing it out of proportion, but it still have me a chuckle.
But Yeah, I'm really looking forward to seeing more insight on how important Gohan is in the outline. I'm going to find it really strange if Gohan is just a tag- along to fill space. I hope that isn't the case.
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precita wrote:The manga almost has no reason to exist. I don't know why they didn't just do a 1:1 adaption of the anime, leaving out the filler or slice of life episodes or whatever.
It's like we have this weird alternate continuity here now for no reason.
So just don´t read it . i like the manga , and there is more than half a million people that already bought the volume 1 in all over the world ,so that is enought reason for exist.
It was as if a whole lot of people ...were screaming in pain....
Lord Beerus wrote:Yep. The ending in the manga is 100% the same as the anime. Future Trunks' timeline is destroyed by Zeno (depicted by the Time Rings representing Future Trunks timeline being destroyed), Future Zeno meets Present Zeno with Goku time travelling to the null void that has become Future Trunks timeline (which may be a plothole), everybody has a party to "celebrate" and Future Trunks and Future Mai go to a different timeline.
It's really disappointing.
Even more-so by the fact that the cast are far more upbeat about the fact that Future Trunks lost everything, excluding Future Mai, than they are in the anime. And Future Trunks never interacted with Gohan once at all in the arc in the manga. What the hell was up with that? There was no really special farewell from Vegeta or Gohan. It just... ends. I personally feel much more let down with the ending of the Future Trunks arc in the manga. It just lacks any kind of emotional resonance. That's a major bummer for me.
But.. in the immortal words of Marge Simpson:
"It's an ending, that's enough!"
Thats just rubbish,I didnt like how upbeat the endings was in the manga and the lack of Gohan saddens me,ill just wait the full chapter to see the ending.And I dont think is 45 pages long
Lord Beerus wrote:It just lacks any kind of emotional resonance. That's a major bummer for me.
That's the manga's biggest problem for me, there's no sense of emotion from any of the characters, which makes it hard not to see them blending into one another.
This is outright false. We've gotten plenty of emotional scenes from Vegeta and Trunks. I can't take a lot of these complaints seriously when most of them are about things that are false
Boo Machine wrote:
Personally I found Trunks slicing MZ in half in the manga more funny than epic. After standing aside and letting Goku do all the work, he comes up from behind and slices a messed up MZ and then stabs passed out Black in the back. But the thing that really sells the hilarity is that Goku and the others praise him like Trunks did all the heavy lifting in that confrontation. "You did it Trunks! You saved the world!" Like someone else said at the time, it's was like a grown up humoring a child for "Helping".
Maybe I'm blowing it out of proportion, but it still have me a chuckle.
But Yeah, I'm really looking forward to seeing more insight on how important Gohan is in the outline. I'm going to find it really strange if Gohan is just a tag- along to fill space. I hope that isn't the case.
Yeah, that was me. I just imagine Goku and Vegeta commenting on how 'Cute' it is behind his back.
This also makes me much more confident that Gohan is fucked in the tournament.
When Super apparently shoves Goku down our throats:
Spoiler:
HeroR wrote:The characters in Super can work with Goku and they're treated like equals to him. Goku just being in the room doesn't take away from the character. In Z, the characters were so depended on Goku that they couldn't go an episode without mentioning him in some way even by hoping he will arrived, get better, training to get stronger, our last hope, being like him, ect. Goku was wanked to hell in Z, even when he wasn't in the room and everyone else was secondary to him. In fact, this was a major issue Goku had, which is why he didn't want to do anything in the Buu Saga.
Kanassa wrote:
FoolsGil wrote:I hope Mark is dead. But chances are the dragonballs will bring his stupid ass back.
Lord Beerus wrote:It just lacks any kind of emotional resonance. That's a major bummer for me.
That's the manga's biggest problem for me, there's no sense of emotion from any of the characters, which makes it hard not to see them blending into one another.
This is outright false. We've gotten plenty of emotional scenes from Vegeta and Trunks. I can't take a lot of these complaints seriously when most of them are about things that are false
That's what I mean, the few times they try emotion, I feel little is there.
When Super apparently shoves Goku down our throats:
Spoiler:
HeroR wrote:The characters in Super can work with Goku and they're treated like equals to him. Goku just being in the room doesn't take away from the character. In Z, the characters were so depended on Goku that they couldn't go an episode without mentioning him in some way even by hoping he will arrived, get better, training to get stronger, our last hope, being like him, ect. Goku was wanked to hell in Z, even when he wasn't in the room and everyone else was secondary to him. In fact, this was a major issue Goku had, which is why he didn't want to do anything in the Buu Saga.
Kanassa wrote:
FoolsGil wrote:I hope Mark is dead. But chances are the dragonballs will bring his stupid ass back.
The gr wrote:so are we gonna ignore Trunks slicing mz in half, are you reading This saga, Trunks is weak and all but at least he's the voice of reason and the only sane person because we know Goku and Vegeta are jerks in the manga and he have his moments in the Manga, through I agree with everyone,I hated mz,he felt like super buu
Welp we can say toriyama hates Gohan,he didn't even appear in This version of the arc because is strange Toyo really like Gohan, next chapter better Make up my mind with toriyama opinion on gohan wether he's revelant or not in the outline, because i don't like the idea of gohan being the revelant is just a toei idea and not from Tori
Personally I found Trunks slicing MZ in half in the manga more funny than epic. After standing aside and letting Goku do all the work, he comes up from behind and slices a messed up MZ and then stabs passed out Black in the back. But the thing that really sells the hilarity is that Goku and the others praise him like Trunks did all the heavy lifting in that confrontation. "You did it Trunks! You saved the world!" Like someone else said at the time, it's was like a grown up humoring a child for "Helping".
Maybe I'm blowing it out of proportion, but it still have me a chuckle.
But Yeah, I'm really looking forward to seeing more insight on how important Gohan is in the outline. I'm going to find it really strange if Gohan is just a tag- along to fill space. I hope that isn't the case.
Aw yeah that was hilarious,I was just laughing when they threat trunks like a baby doing his first steps but still it beats doing nothing,I'm glad it happen.Gohan better do something in the outline
Gohan isn't screwed, must you guys overreact to everything? Just like the people who constantly said the ending will be majorly different when it was obvious from day one that Toei and Toyotaro have to stick to the same overall story.
The ToP is Toriyama acknowledging that he neglected Gohan and that this is his return to form. He'll be featured heavily in the manga too. Toyotaro is a Gohan fanboy, he'll get his moment.
The fact that Gohan didn't make one appearance in the Future Trunks arc in the manga really speaks volumes for how Toriyama didn't want Gohan to feature at all in this arc and how much Toei went out of their way to utilize him and make the ending of the arc more emotionally palatable and deepen Future Trunks character by making the tragedy of his situation more resonating.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Lord Beerus wrote:The fact that Gohan didn't make one appearance in the Future Trunks arc in the manga really speaks volumes for how Toriyama didn't want Gohan to feature at all in this arc and how much Toei went out of their way to utilize him and make the ending of the arc more emotionally palatable and deepen Future Trunks character by making the tragedy of his situation more resonating.
Toei did the same thing in the Universe 6 arc. They included Gohan training with Piccolo despite it obviously not being part of Tori's outline. They're fans of Gohan. Always been. Gohan always got a lot of love in filler episodes back in DBZ.
Lord Beerus wrote:The fact that Gohan didn't make one appearance in the Future Trunks arc in the manga really speaks volumes for how Toriyama didn't want Gohan to feature at all in this arc and how much Toei went out of their way to utilize him and make the ending of the arc more emotionally palatable and deepen Future Trunks character by making the tragedy of his situation more resonating.
Is a double edge sword,like I know Toyo is a huge Gohan fan boy, well if he's revelant in the Top,were gonna get SSG Gohan Instead of that lame ultimate form
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Lord Beerus wrote:Even more-so by the fact that the cast are far more upbeat about the fact that Future Trunks lost everything, excluding Future Mai, than they are in the anime. And Future Trunks never interacted with Gohan once at all in the arc in the manga. What the hell was up with that?
Another sample of how bad Toyotaro is as a writer, Toei staff made better with Trunks crying and realizing in the end he wasn't capable to protect his world.
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Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
Spoiler:
Nickolaidas wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
Lord Beerus wrote:The fact that Gohan didn't make one appearance in the Future Trunks arc in the manga really speaks volumes for how Toriyama didn't want Gohan to feature at all in this arc and how much Toei went out of their way to utilize him and make the ending of the arc more emotionally palatable and deepen Future Trunks character by making the tragedy of his situation more resonating.
Toei did the same thing in the Universe 6 arc. They included Gohan training with Piccolo despite it obviously not being part of Tori's outline. They're fans of Gohan. Always been. Gohan always got a lot of love in filler episodes back in DBZ.
It's same deal with Krillin. He may be the "butt monkey" of Dragon Ball, but they will throw that guy a bone every now and again. But I think we can all agree that nobody like Yamcha.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Lord Beerus wrote:
It's same deal with Krillin. He may be the "butt monkey" of Dragon Ball, but they will throw that guy a bone every now and again. But I think we can all agree that nobody like Yamcha.
What about dragon garrow lee and toei really like Yamcha, remember olibu and the baseball episode, and I'm confident krillin will be revelant in the manga because AT always liked krillin
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Lord Beerus wrote:The fact that Gohan didn't make one appearance in the Future Trunks arc in the manga really speaks volumes for how Toriyama didn't want Gohan to feature at all in this arc and how much Toei went out of their way to utilize him and make the ending of the arc more emotionally palatable and deepen Future Trunks character by making the tragedy of his situation more resonating.
Toei did the same thing in the Universe 6 arc. They included Gohan training with Piccolo despite it obviously not being part of Tori's outline. They're fans of Gohan. Always been. Gohan always got a lot of love in filler episodes back in DBZ.
It's same deal with Krillin. He may be the "butt monkey" of Dragon Ball, but they will throw that guy a bone every now and again. But I think we can all agree that nobody like Yamcha.
Poor Yamcha. I always saw Krillin as Toriyama's favorite human, since he always stayed relevant in the manga, even in the 1st half of the Boo arc. Compare that with Tenshinhan, who only got a small appearance in the Boo arc
The gr wrote:
Lord Beerus wrote:The fact that Gohan didn't make one appearance in the Future Trunks arc in the manga really speaks volumes for how Toriyama didn't want Gohan to feature at all in this arc and how much Toei went out of their way to utilize him and make the ending of the arc more emotionally palatable and deepen Future Trunks character by making the tragedy of his situation more resonating.
Is a double edge sword,like I know Toyo is a huge Gohan fan boy, well if he's revelant in the Top,were gonna get SSG Gohan Instead of that lame ultimate form
Nah, Ultimate form is Gohan's most popular look. It's staying. They made a big deal of Gohan not copying Goku in the anime, it'll be in the manga too.
At least the anime version of this arc focused on other background characters like the Resistance and Maki/Haru (with how they interact with Trunks and Mai), y' know background characters that you usually don't give a shit about but this arc did as they carried emotional weight to the story. The anime actually succeeded in making me care for these characters. The manga though, everyone on the Earth except Trunks/Mai are already killed by Black and they weren't even in the manga. There's none of that emotional investment.
Instead of that lame ultimate form
