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Post by UltimateHammerBro » Mon Mar 16, 2015 4:02 pm

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fadeddreams5 wrote:Yeah, I strongly dislike Goku's Japanese voice too. I've never understood the logic behind it. It's the only dub I know with his voice like that. Is it supposed to be funny irony in Japan (big muscular guy with squeaky voice) or something? I don't get it...>.>
If you were to watch the series from the very beginning in Japanese and gotten to know Goku, who he is, what he looks like, and what he sounds like over the course of 132 episodes, and then tune in to episode 133 when this tall, turban-clad man shows up, whose friends don't even recognize him, and then you hear that familiar voice... then you'd understand the logic behind it.
Oh yes. So. Much. Yes.

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Post by TheBlackPaladin » Mon Mar 16, 2015 4:09 pm

fadeddreams5 wrote:Yeah, I strongly dislike Goku's Japanese voice too. I've never understood the logic behind it. It's the only dub I know with his voice like that. Is it supposed to be funny irony in Japan (big muscular guy with squeaky voice) or something? I don't get it...>.>
It's a matter of consistency. In Dragon Ball (and other animes, but not all), whichever voice actor voices a character first voices them for every stage of that character's life. Since Goku first appeared as a kid, they used a female voice actress, Masako Nozawa, who gave--and gives--a brilliant performance. When Goku became an adult, they kept the same actress. The same policy is also true in reverse...Trunks first appeared as a teenager, so he was given a teenage voice, provided by Takeshi Kusao. The Buu arc, which came later, had Trunks as a kid...Kusao played him there as well.

While I have come to like Masako Nozawa, I understand where you're coming from. I do think the English cast is a more realistic depiction of how voices change with age. However, there is something nice to having the same actor playing Goku in all incarnations. There's a loveable consistency to it. It definitely is something that grows on you, though. I like the Japanese and English voice for Goku for different reasons. I think they both nailed the character. Nozawa has the consistency factor working in her favor, and while her voice sounds odd coming from someone who looks very obviously like an adult male, Goku is an odd guy, so it fits his quirky nature. Schemmel, by contrast, sounds more like what an adult male would realistically sound like, and so there's a certain realism in his performance that makes accepting the character more easy.

Check out the episodes from start to finish in Japanese...I think you'll see why so many love Nozawa's portrayal!
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Post by FortuneSSJ » Mon Mar 16, 2015 4:12 pm

Gaffer Tape wrote:
fadeddreams5 wrote:Yeah, I strongly dislike Goku's Japanese voice too. I've never understood the logic behind it. It's the only dub I know with his voice like that. Is it supposed to be funny irony in Japan (big muscular guy with squeaky voice) or something? I don't get it...>.>
If you were to watch the series from the very beginning in Japanese and gotten to know Goku, who he is, what he looks like, and what he sounds like over the course of 132 episodes, and then tune in to episode 133 when this tall, turban-clad man shows up, whose friends don't even recognize him, and then you hear that familiar voice... then you'd understand the logic behind it.
Bravo! That was a good explanation. :clap:
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Post by Captain Space » Mon Mar 16, 2015 4:15 pm

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fadeddreams5 wrote:Yeah, I strongly dislike Goku's Japanese voice too. I've never understood the logic behind it. It's the only dub I know with his voice like that. Is it supposed to be funny irony in Japan (big muscular guy with squeaky voice) or something? I don't get it...>.>
It's a matter of consistency. In Dragon Ball (and other animes, but not all), whichever voice actor voices a character first voices them for every stage of that character's life. Since Goku first appeared as a kid, they used a female voice actress, Masako Nozawa, who gave--and gives--a brilliant performance. When Goku became an adult, they kept the same actress. The same policy is also true in reverse...Trunks first appeared as a teenager, so he was given a teenage voice, provided by Takeshi Kusao. The Buu arc, which came later, had Trunks as a kid...Kusao played him there as well.

While I have come to like Masako Nozawa, I understand where you're coming from. I do think the English cast is a more realistic depiction of how voices change with age. However, there is something nice to having the same actor playing Goku in all incarnations. There's a loveable consistency to it. It definitely is something that grows on you, though. I like the Japanese and English voice for Goku for different reasons. I think they both nailed the character. Nozawa has the consistency factor working in her favor, and while her voice sounds odd coming from someone who looks very obviously like an adult male, Goku is an odd guy, so it fits his quirky nature. Schemmel, by contrast, sounds more like what an adult male would realistically sound like, and so there's a certain realism in his performance that makes accepting the character more easy.

Check out the episodes from start to finish in Japanese...I think you'll see why so many love Nozawa's portrayal!
I was under the impression they usually changed voice actors when a character grows up, but they just liked Nozawa's performance so much she stayed on.
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Post by Marco Polo » Mon Mar 16, 2015 4:18 pm

I love how people defend Goku not having his voice break, yet they seem to dislike Goten and Trunks not physically growing up.

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Post by TheBlackPaladin » Mon Mar 16, 2015 4:27 pm

Captain Space wrote:I was under the impression they usually changed voice actors when a character grows up, but they just liked Nozawa's performance so much she stayed on.
Well, maybe they did say that, but that wouldn't explain why Mayumi Tanaka stayed on as Kuririn. Or Mayumi Sho as Chi-Chi (yes, she was eventually recast, but not until episode 89 of DBZ). Or all of the voice actors in the whole anime.

Really, the whole idea of keeping the same voice actor who started out struck me as more of a business and branding decision. Toei likely didn't want young viewers to have to get used to a "new" Goku and a "new" Kuririn. And hey, it worked for artistic reasons, but I think business and branding were the driving forces, more so than art.
A "rather haggard" translation of a line from Future Gohan in DBZ, provided to FUNimation by Toei:
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Post by FortuneSSJ » Mon Mar 16, 2015 4:28 pm

When I watched Dragon Ball in japanese for the first time, I was "shocked".
Not because of the lack of censorship, but mainly because the japanese cast performance and BGM like these existed, which I don't know:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hod5t_cY_H8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijusfwQG5QM (Here in Portugal and most dubs i think, only the intrusmental plays. No vocals)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EomNscL69RU (The scene where this plays was removed. Our episode doesn't have the last 3 minutes...)
Marco Polo wrote:I love how people defend Goku not having his voice break, yet they seem to dislike Goten and Trunks not physically growing up.
Because its two different things. Goku is a man child, but that doesn't mean he must be a Ash Ketchum until the end.
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Post by EA575 » Mon Mar 16, 2015 4:28 pm

Captain Space wrote:
TheBlackPaladin wrote:
fadeddreams5 wrote:Yeah, I strongly dislike Goku's Japanese voice too. I've never understood the logic behind it. It's the only dub I know with his voice like that. Is it supposed to be funny irony in Japan (big muscular guy with squeaky voice) or something? I don't get it...>.>
It's a matter of consistency. In Dragon Ball (and other animes, but not all), whichever voice actor voices a character first voices them for every stage of that character's life. Since Goku first appeared as a kid, they used a female voice actress, Masako Nozawa, who gave--and gives--a brilliant performance. When Goku became an adult, they kept the same actress. The same policy is also true in reverse...Trunks first appeared as a teenager, so he was given a teenage voice, provided by Takeshi Kusao. The Buu arc, which came later, had Trunks as a kid...Kusao played him there as well.

While I have come to like Masako Nozawa, I understand where you're coming from. I do think the English cast is a more realistic depiction of how voices change with age. However, there is something nice to having the same actor playing Goku in all incarnations. There's a loveable consistency to it. It definitely is something that grows on you, though. I like the Japanese and English voice for Goku for different reasons. I think they both nailed the character. Nozawa has the consistency factor working in her favor, and while her voice sounds odd coming from someone who looks very obviously like an adult male, Goku is an odd guy, so it fits his quirky nature. Schemmel, by contrast, sounds more like what an adult male would realistically sound like, and so there's a certain realism in his performance that makes accepting the character more easy.

Check out the episodes from start to finish in Japanese...I think you'll see why so many love Nozawa's portrayal!
I was under the impression they usually changed voice actors when a character grows up, but they just liked Nozawa's performance so much she stayed on.
I think this is true. I believe Toei were thinking of changing Goku's voice when he got older, but Toriyama, and possibly many other fans, really liked Nozawa's performance and they decided to keep her.

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Post by Ajay » Mon Mar 16, 2015 4:31 pm

UltimateHammerBro wrote:
Gaffer Tape wrote:
fadeddreams5 wrote:Yeah, I strongly dislike Goku's Japanese voice too. I've never understood the logic behind it. It's the only dub I know with his voice like that. Is it supposed to be funny irony in Japan (big muscular guy with squeaky voice) or something? I don't get it...>.>
If you were to watch the series from the very beginning in Japanese and gotten to know Goku, who he is, what he looks like, and what he sounds like over the course of 132 episodes, and then tune in to episode 133 when this tall, turban-clad man shows up, whose friends don't even recognize him, and then you hear that familiar voice... then you'd understand the logic behind it.
Oh yes. So. Much. Yes.

This is easily one of the best explanations I've ever read about the subject.
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Post by Captain Space » Mon Mar 16, 2015 4:36 pm

TheBlackPaladin wrote:
Captain Space wrote:I was under the impression they usually changed voice actors when a character grows up, but they just liked Nozawa's performance so much she stayed on.
Well, maybe they did say that, but that wouldn't explain why Mayumi Tanaka stayed on as Kuririn. Or Mayumi Sho as Chi-Chi (yes, she was eventually recast, but not until episode 89 of DBZ). Or all of the voice actors in the whole anime.

Really, the whole idea of keeping the same voice actor who started out struck me as more of a business and branding decision. Toei likely didn't want young viewers to have to get used to a "new" Goku and a "new" Kuririn. And hey, it worked for artistic reasons, but I think business and branding were the driving forces, more so than art.
I think Kuririn/Krillin wasn't gonna change voice, since while he grows up in the series, the difference isn't as drastic as Goku's. And they probably recast female characters less because most young boys are voiced by adult females anyway (higher voice, but still the experience and such of an actual adult voice actor).
FortuneSSJ wrote:When I watched Dragon Ball in japanese for the first time, I was "shocked".
Not because of the lack of censorship, but mainly because the japanese cast performance and BGM like these existed, which I don't know:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hod5t_cY_H8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijusfwQG5QM (Here in Portugal and most dubs i think, only the intrusmental plays. No vocals)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EomNscL69RU (The scene where this plays was removed. Our episode doesn't have the last 3 minutes...)
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Post by ekrolo2 » Mon Mar 16, 2015 4:48 pm

AjayLikesGaming wrote:
UltimateHammerBro wrote:
Gaffer Tape wrote: If you were to watch the series from the very beginning in Japanese and gotten to know Goku, who he is, what he looks like, and what he sounds like over the course of 132 episodes, and then tune in to episode 133 when this tall, turban-clad man shows up, whose friends don't even recognize him, and then you hear that familiar voice... then you'd understand the logic behind it.
Oh yes. So. Much. Yes.

This is easily one of the best explanations I've ever read about the subject.
The people who whine are the people with zero long term experience with the original cast. It's unbearably frustrating.
Or we just don't like the sound of Goku's high pitched screaming in every line delivery, seriously in BoG it was completely unbearable. The voice did work when the actress stopped exaggerating every line and tried to be more subdued though. Like during his first SSJ transformation.
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Post by Captain Space » Mon Mar 16, 2015 4:49 pm

*mumbles* I, uh, thought she did a great performance in BoG...
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Post by Doctor. » Mon Mar 16, 2015 4:51 pm

Captain Space wrote:*mumbles* I, uh, thought she did a great performance in BoG...
I did too. I understand how one may think the screams may get annoying after a while, but Nozawa gives her best performance as Goku when it comes to the comedic scenes and the more "slice of life" scenes, where Goku is just acting normally.

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Post by ekrolo2 » Mon Mar 16, 2015 4:53 pm

Doctor. wrote:
Captain Space wrote:*mumbles* I, uh, thought she did a great performance in BoG...
I did too. I understand how one may think the screams may get annoying after a while, but Nozawa gives her best performance as Goku when it comes to the comedic scenes and the more "slice of life" scenes, where Goku is just acting normally.
I think she's at her most awful then, basically anything that gives her an excuse to make the voice louder immediately makes it unbearable for me. In the subdued scenes where Goku's more serious or silent it actually sounds pretty good. If anything everyone else did a great job in BoG, but Goku? Annoying. As. Fuck.
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Post by Captain Space » Mon Mar 16, 2015 4:54 pm

Aright, I don't begrudge you your opinion.
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Post by Big Momma » Mon Mar 16, 2015 4:56 pm

Captain Space wrote:Aright, I don't begrudge you your opinion.
He's not really begrudging your opinion, from what I'm reading.
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Post by Captain Space » Mon Mar 16, 2015 4:57 pm

I know he isn't. I never said he was. All I said was basically amounting to "I respect that you disagree with me".
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Post by ekrolo2 » Mon Mar 16, 2015 4:59 pm

Captain Space wrote:Aright, I don't begrudge you your opinion.
I'm not begrudging you at all, and I'm sorry if it came off like that. I'm just stating that Goku's voice is just one of those things that simply doesn't click with me, as one poster said to me concerning if villains coming back is a good thing, he said even if there's a logical explanation for it that's 100% bulletproof, he'll hate the story idea regardless. I have the same thing with Goku's voice, it makes sense yes and I guess that's good but I just don't like how it sounds most of the time and nothings gonna change that for me.
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Post by Captain Space » Mon Mar 16, 2015 5:03 pm

ekrolo2 wrote:
Captain Space wrote:Aright, I don't begrudge you your opinion.
I'm not begrudging you at all, and I'm sorry if it came off like that. I'm just stating that Goku's voice is just one of those things that simply doesn't click with me, as one poster said to me concerning if villains coming back is a good thing, he said even if there's a logical explanation for it that's 100% bulletproof, he'll hate the story idea regardless. I have the same thing with Goku's voice, it makes sense yes and I guess that's good but I just don't like how it sounds most of the time and nothings gonna change that for me.
Once again, I never said you were begrudging my opinion, I dunno why people keep thinking I was...I guess my post could be seen as passive-aggressive in that way, it wasn't meant to be. I'm sorry myself if it came off like I was trying to imply that you were.
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Post by Gianchio » Mon Mar 16, 2015 5:07 pm

Do you think the Planet Trade Organization will be destroyed for good at the end of the movie?

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