The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[perucho1990]

Namek Saga Gohan/Krillin(when they got their hidden powers released by Guru) vs Zarbon and Dodoria.

Scenario 1: Zarbon doesnt transform.

Scenario 2: Zarbon transforms.

[lash]

Which part in time is Gohan and Kuririn?

If it's before Recoome, they get defeated easily.
If it's during the Ginyu-Goku fight, Gohan should be able to solo.

[Fox666]

If it's during the Ginyu-Goku fight, Gohan should be able to solo.

I am not sure, Ginyu was at 23,000 and he was still fighting, even if loosing.

[lash]

A direct blast from him didn't even faze Gohan. Gohan was casually tooling him...and to top it off Gohan was actually holding back.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Gohan was actually holding back.

How do we know that Gohan was holding back? Just because Vegeta said they were doesn't mean it's true. Sure, they may've been unconsciously holding back because Ginyu still looked like Goku and perhaps they didn't want to damage his body too much because there was still a chance Goku could return to his body, but I don't think they were that much stronger than him in the first place anyway.

Of course, you're entitled to your opinion, and it's a valid one. I don't even necessarily disagree with you; I'm just playing devil's advocate.

[Fox666]

We haven't seen enough of the battle to judge, but this is an interesting panel:



Considering Ginyu was up to two opponents, I don't think that, if Gohan was stronger than Ginyu at this point, there would be much difference beetween them.

[FNF]

Well to me it looked like Krillin was more or less equal with Ginyu-Goku and Gohan had an advantage. He blocked a powerful blast and as you can see there he appears to be holding Ginyu-Goku's wrist as if he blocked it easily.

[Michsi]

as you can see there he appears to be holding Ginyu-Goku's wrist as if he blocked it easily.

Actually, he is being held by Ginyu by the collar. The way I see it, Ginyu was about to hit Gohan , Gohan was trying to block the hit, Krillin was about to try to save him....

[Rocketman]

Just because Ginyu is technically reading 23,000 on a scouter doesn't mean he's able to put that much force into his attacks. A scouter turned on Saiyan arc Vegeta while he was asleep would read 18,000 too.

[FNF]

as you can see there he appears to be holding Ginyu-Goku's wrist as if he blocked it easily.

Actually, he is being held by Ginyu by the collar. The way I see it, Ginyu was about to hit Gohan , Gohan was trying to block the hit, Krillin was about to try to save him....

I didn't notice that lol -_-'

[lash]

How do we know that Gohan was holding back?

Because as you said, Vegeta directly says so.

Exactly how much is up in the air, but holding back is still holding back.

But considering Ginyu can't do any damage at all to either of them, while in contrast they haven't been able to down him in one blow...I'd say they were holding back a decent amount.

Goku: “Th-that’s Ginyu! Don’t hesitate, take him out…! The way you are now, you definitely can’t lose! Alright…?! Blow him away…!”

He wouldn't tell them to blow him away if they weren't capable of doing just that.

Considering Ginyu was up to two opponents, I don't think that, if Gohan was stronger than Ginyu at this point, there would be much difference beetween them.

Even after he directly tanks a blast from him? Calling it novice to himself?

[Fox666]

Even after he directly tanks a blast from him? Calling it novice to himself?

It was never stated that you need % amount of power to stand up to a Ki attack, especially considering that you can fire a Ki attack of different strength. That kind of rule regarding battle powers was created solely by fans.

[Piccolo Daimao]

How do we know that Gohan was holding back?

Because as you said, Vegeta directly says so.

Exactly how much is up in the air, but holding back is still holding back.

But considering Ginyu can't do any damage at all to either of them, while in contrast they haven't been able to down him in one blow...I'd say they were holding back a decent amount.

Goku: “Th-that’s Ginyu! Don’t hesitate, take him out…! The way you are now, you definitely can’t lose! Alright…?! Blow him away…!”

He wouldn't tell them to blow him away if they weren't capable of doing just that.

Yeah, I know. If you re-read my post, I said that I wasn't even necessarily disagreeing you and just playing devil's advocate. It's just that you were stating it as if it was fact, when it's just an opinion.

[Kid Buu]

Ginyu (Goku's body) & Jeice Vs. Gohan, Krillin, Goku (Ginyu's Body)

Basically the same as show, with no Vegeta help.

[FNF]

Goku in Ginyu was waaay too damaged to do anything. Jeice just takes a dump on them all.

[perucho1990]

Chilled vs Namek Saga Vegeta(When he fought first form Freeza).

[Kaboom]

Chilled vs Namek Saga Vegeta(When he fought first form Freeza).

Hard to tell. Bardock's power as a Super Saiyan in the new special, based on his 10,000 estimate in the first one, is going to be around 500,000 at the very least. We know that Chilled was significantly below that, but we can't tell for sure by how much. So neither do we really know how he'd compare against Vegeta's 250,000.

But if they're about even in power, then I'd give the win to Vegeta. He's just an all-around great fighter.

[hleV]

Bardock's power as a Super Saiyan in the new special, based on his 10,000 estimate in the first one

Why do people pretend that Bardock didn't receive a near-death power-up? He had ~10,000 BP, got beaten by Dodoria, healed after coming to the past.

[Fox666]

Mostly because the story has gives emphasis whenever a saiyans increases his power that way.

[Kaboom]

Bardock's power as a Super Saiyan in the new special, based on his 10,000 estimate in the first one

Why do people pretend that Bardock didn't receive a near-death power-up? He had ~10,000 BP, got beaten by Dodoria, healed after coming to the past.

Well, that's why at the end of that sentence, I said his Super Saiyan power would be such-and-such "at the very least." I did consider him getting healed and boosted again, but I figured it wasn't worth mentioning. Because there's no way to tell how big the boost would be, and my answer to the match-up was already uncertain enough...