"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[dbzfan7]

Spoiler:

Seconding higher interest in the episode summaries than in manga spoilers. I'm glad I'll finally get to know what "copy-Vegeta" is some time next week. Regarding the manga; that Cabba left in the end without revealing any new information regarding his own back-story or the King of Planet Sadla left me disappointed as I'm currently more interested in both of those than I am Cabba himself; he doesn't really have any interesting quirks about him. He's a nice kid who can get emotional and attached, but there's nothing entertaining about him yet to me.

The manga hasn't shown it's events yet I think. Didn't we leave off right before Vegeta and Cabba interact/fight? Vegeta just got through Frost and Magetta last time.

My apologies; I did mean the anime. ^^; I felt like since the anime didn't reveal any additional information about Cabba when he left that the manga probably won't either. (I would like to hope I'm wrong though; I want to know more about Planet Sadla and how it compares to Planet Vegeta--for example is the gravity strong on Planet Sadla as well? Just how much is the king like Vegeta? Does Cabba have a family? Those sorts of things.)

Perhaps. The manga has a lot less time to get it's points across, so it's likely to not cover all this. Out of all the above, the most likely would maybe be a mention of Cabba having a family. By that I mean maybe a tidbit that he has something, and that's about it. Don't think we'd get to see or learn more about King Sadla (What I call em for now) til potentially after the tournament.

[Noah]

Was ever implied in the manga/anime that Planet Vegeta was in fact the Saiyan homeworld? Because I remember that Vegeta said to Cabba that Planet Sadla existed in Universe 7 but the Saiyans migrated to Tuffle, is that right or just a retcon?

[B]

As far as the manga is concerned, Planet Vegeta is where the Saiyans are from. There is no "original planet" called "Saiya". Now, you do have Episode of Bardock where Planet Plant is the original name of Planet Vegeta, and it is inhabited by the creatures that look like Berry and Ipana, but they are never referred to as "Tsufrians" the way Baby is, and it is never implied that the Saiyans came to Planet Plant from somewhere else; obviously in the anime, Kaiou explicitly states the Saiyans invaded Plant in a filler scene and renamed it Vegeta, and then of course everything in GT backs that up. Of course of course, Episode of Bardock is what you make of it.

As far as the manga and EoB is concerned, there's no reason to believe the Saiyans don't originate from Plant/Vegeta.

[Sodhi]

From what I remember it was said in both manga and the anime by vegeta that, Planet sadla used to be saiyan homeland before it was destroyed by infighting, so then they proceeded to steal a different planet called planet vegeta.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Was ever implied in the manga/anime that Planet Vegeta was in fact the Saiyan homeworld? Because I remember that Vegeta said to Cabba that Planet Sadla existed in Universe 7 but the Saiyans migrated to Tuffle, is that right or just a retcon?

There's nothing in the manga's original 42 volumes that suggests Planet Vegeta isn't the Saiyan homeworld. However, Toriyama was the one to come up with the Saiyan-Tsufurian backstory for the anime's filler episode on the subject, so it was his idea. He's also revisited those same backstory elements during recent interviews from the last few years for the resurgence while talking about stuff like scouters between BOG and "F".

So, it's not really a recent retcon for Toriyama or something he latched on to from filler material. It's just a narrative elements he's revisiting and finally utilizing in the adaptations of his own work (the "thick plot" of Super), after other sources took his idea and utilized it years before hand.

[Hellspawn28]

The original Saiyan planet being destroy in U7 seem to be a retcon since the GT perfect files mention that it could be still out there.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

GT and Super are two entirely different things. The planet can still be there in the former and gone in Toriyama's material for the latter.

[Zephyr]

Also "it's gone" wouldn't be a retcon of "it might still be there". It would be more of a clarification than anything else.

[HeroR]

Was ever implied in the manga/anime that Planet Vegeta was in fact the Saiyan homeworld? Because I remember that Vegeta said to Cabba that Planet Sadla existed in Universe 7 but the Saiyans migrated to Tuffle, is that right or just a retcon?

There's nothing in the manga's original 42 volumes that suggests Planet Vegeta isn't the Saiyan homeworld. However, Toriyama was the one to come up with the Saiyan-Tsufurian backstory for the anime's filler episode on the subject, so it was his idea. He's also revisited those same backstory elements during recent interviews from the last few years for the resurgence while talking about stuff like scouters between BOG and "F".

So, it's not really a recent retcon for Toriyama or something he latched on to from filler material. It's just a narrative elements he's revisiting and finally utilizing in the adaptations of his own work (the "thick plot" of Super), after other sources took his idea and utilized it years before hand.

It is not a retcon, it's new information. In the manga we know nothing about Planet Vegeta other than Freeza destroyed and it had ten times Earth's gravity. Everything else comes form anime filler and data books.

[Chuquita]

General NewType leaks have begun (it's Fate Stay Night franchise stuff and not Yugioh for a change that goes first) meaning we could get episode summaries over the weekend, potentially.

[Kuririn Fan]

General NewType leaks have begun (it's Fate Stay Night franchise stuff and not Yugioh for a change that goes first) meaning we could get episode summaries over the weekend, potentially.

Episodes summaries, right?
Mmm, sweet, sweet spoilers <3
I wish the damn manga was ahead like with Champa stuff so we can get hyped and see where the fuck this story is going...

[jvguidio]

It is pretty clear that GT has nothing to do with main or Toriyamas story. Its nothing like God example, beause you can go either way there, while this is pretty clear, no Toriyama - no main story, just like pre-BoG movies. We can do this all day, but we shouldnt, so ill stop.

It is exactly like the god example. You're choosing unwritten rules to push your own agenda of what you believe counts and does not count. Just like any other typical annoying theist/atheist pushes their belief on others would do. It's that closed mindedness that makes a fandom infamous and hated. To shut out anyone who doesn't follow your strict belief, because you want to believe a certain unwritten rule of how things work. It is this closed opinionated ideals that has people laugh at communities like this for wanking the crap out of Goku or yelling off in youtube comments another user is wrong for thinking of a stance different than theirs on symbolism, story tropes, hidden messages, etc.

This is my first post here, I created this account just to post a message from Akira Toriyama saying that Dragon Ball GT is a side-story. And side-story is non canon.

You can check the message right here:
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/ ... ama-intro/

The exact part is the following one:
原作　ドラゴンボールの　壮大なサイドストーリーであるドラゴンボールGTを　ボクといっしょに楽しく観ていただければ　幸いです。

Translated by Herms:
Dragon Ball GT is a grand side-story of the original Dragon Ball, and it’ll make me happy for us to watch and enjoy it together.

Well, if the creator of Dragon Ball said that GT is a side-story, it's pretty simple, GT is not canon.

Btw, I'm GT fan, but i cannot be blind.

[dbzfan7]

It is pretty clear that GT has nothing to do with main or Toriyamas story. Its nothing like God example, beause you can go either way there, while this is pretty clear, no Toriyama - no main story, just like pre-BoG movies. We can do this all day, but we shouldnt, so ill stop.

It is exactly like the god example. You're choosing unwritten rules to push your own agenda of what you believe counts and does not count. Just like any other typical annoying theist/atheist pushes their belief on others would do. It's that closed mindedness that makes a fandom infamous and hated. To shut out anyone who doesn't follow your strict belief, because you want to believe a certain unwritten rule of how things work. It is this closed opinionated ideals that has people laugh at communities like this for wanking the crap out of Goku or yelling off in youtube comments another user is wrong for thinking of a stance different than theirs on symbolism, story tropes, hidden messages, etc.

Spoiler:

This is my first post here, I created this account just to post a message from Akira Toriyama saying that Dragon Ball GT is an side-story. And side-story is non canon.

You can check the message right here:
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/ ... ama-intro/

The exact part is the following one:
原作　ドラゴンボールの　壮大なサイドストーリーであるドラゴンボールGTを　ボクといっしょに楽しく観ていただければ　幸いです。

Translated by Herm:
Dragon Ball GT is a grand side-story of the original Dragon Ball, and it’ll make me happy for us to watch and enjoy it together.

Well, if the creator of Dragon Ball said that GT is a side-story, it's pretty simple, GT is not canon.

Btw, I'm GT fan, but i cannot be blind.

SIDE STORY DOES NOT MEAN NON CANON! Do I need to mention the shit ton of spin offs for tv, comic books, video games, and movies. Out of all the reasons to use non canon, side story/Spin off is the worst excuse. It discredits all the side stories several different forms of media have, just to discredit another product. There are other reasons that can be used, but side story/spin off does not automatically mean it's a what if, never happened kind of thing. We just ended this stupid debate and I don't want to start it again.

Read this thread here by Kamiccolo to get a better understanding. It's not GT being canon or not canon. It's merely about how a side story does not automatically mean something doesn't exist.
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... =7&t=29426

[jvguidio]

It is exactly like the god example. You're choosing unwritten rules to push your own agenda of what you believe counts and does not count. Just like any other typical annoying theist/atheist pushes their belief on others would do. It's that closed mindedness that makes a fandom infamous and hated. To shut out anyone who doesn't follow your strict belief, because you want to believe a certain unwritten rule of how things work. It is this closed opinionated ideals that has people laugh at communities like this for wanking the crap out of Goku or yelling off in youtube comments another user is wrong for thinking of a stance different than theirs on symbolism, story tropes, hidden messages, etc.

Spoiler:

This is my first post here, I created this account just to post a message from Akira Toriyama saying that Dragon Ball GT is an side-story. And side-story is non canon.

You can check the message right here:
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/ ... ama-intro/

The exact part is the following one:
原作　ドラゴンボールの　壮大なサイドストーリーであるドラゴンボールGTを　ボクといっしょに楽しく観ていただければ　幸いです。

Translated by Herm:
Dragon Ball GT is a grand side-story of the original Dragon Ball, and it’ll make me happy for us to watch and enjoy it together.

Well, if the creator of Dragon Ball said that GT is a side-story, it's pretty simple, GT is not canon.

Btw, I'm GT fan, but i cannot be blind.

SIDE STORY DOES NOT MEAN NON CANON! Do I need to mention the shit ton of spin offs for tv, comic books, video games, and movies. Out of all the reasons to use non canon, side story/Spin off is the worst excuse. It discredits all the side stories several different forms of media have, just to discredit another product. There are other reasons that can be used, but side story/spin off does not automatically mean it's a what if, never happened kind of thing. We just ended this stupid debate and I don't want to start it again.

Read this thread here by Kamiccolo to get a better understanding. It's not GT being canon or not canon. It's merely about how a side story does not automatically mean something doesn't exist.
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... =7&t=29426

Thank you for replying, I read the thread. So, side-story doesn't mean non canon. Well, there are others evidences that collaborate about GT not being canon. But I don't feel comfortable in starting this discussion here, like you said, you just ended this debate and that's not the right place to discuss this at all.

[Kuririn Fan]

We need official canon, just like Star Wars. That would eradicate any GT doubts.
It's also interesting that the timeline on 30th anniv. site ends with Age 784.

[Chuquita]

General NewType leaks have begun (it's Fate Stay Night franchise stuff and not Yugioh for a change that goes first) meaning we could get episode summaries over the weekend, potentially.

Episodes summaries, right?
Mmm, sweet, sweet spoilers <3
I wish the damn manga was ahead like with Champa stuff so we can get hyped and see where the fuck this story is going...

I miss the manga having spoilers so much. The artwork's all I have left to look forward to with the manga now (because there's always a chance you'll get some especially fun looking panels).

Re: summaries

I'm so anxious to find out what "copy-Vegeta" is; and also if the "babysitting Pan" episode is also a Piccolo episode or not.

Here's the magazine cover for this month:

Spoiler:

Source: http://www.amazon.co.jp/%E3%83%8B%E3%83 ... um=twitter

[Lord Frieza]

So it goes like this

In the manga Goku your an alien from planet Vegeta which was destroyed by a meteor leaving just 4 of us left. First and only retcon in the manga Planet Vegeta was actually destroyed by Frieza. We also learn about the legend of the Super Saiyan

In TV series we see planet Vegeta in the distant pasted when the human heroes go there and fight two saiyan. While this era is never explained because all the dead saiyans looked weak (having outdated scourers and laser weapon) I personly think that at some point in their history the saiyans of Vegeta purged the weaker elements of their race. We then get the full back story of Vegeta, its original name being Plant and about the Saiyan Tuffle war.

The movies introduces us to other saiyans that survived the destruction of Vegeta.

Plan Eradicate the Saiyans (which was not originally a movie) introduced a Tuffle survive (in a way) and informed us that while the saiyans were savage brutes the Tuffles were no better and treated the saiyans like beasts and slaves.

GT was actually the one to introduce the idea that saiyans were not originally from Plant (as far as I know). However this is an inconstancy of sorts, DBZ states that the saiyans lived on the planet for some time while GT suggest they were an invading force from the get go. I kind of think of it as a blend of the two, saiyans crashed on Plant and lived a primitive existence until the war. GT also shows us the form the original Super Saiyan took in full, the Golden Oozaru.

Goku and his friends return introduces another saiyan survive (who was thrown out as soon as he was brought in).

BoG introduces Super Saiyan God who's story that had been lost in time and the saiyan civil war.

Super also states that the saiyans were not original from Planet but from planet Salad.

And thats all the history changes and additions to the history of the saiyans I know of.

[Luke Groundwalker]

GT being non-canon implies that Dragonball has a canon, which as far as we know there isn't one outside of fan theories. GT is just as "canon" as anything else in the Dragonball franchise. Canon =/= being in continuity with something.

[Lord Frieza]

Oh god not this again.

Can we just leave it, it you don't like GT fine, don't have it as part of your personal cannon (hell never watch it again) but do we have to have this same talk that spirals around and around never going anywhere!?

[sintzu]

GT being non-canon implies that Dragonball has a canon, which as far as we know there isn't one outside of fan theories.

Dragon Ball's canon is the original manga.

Anime, movies, ovas, games,ect can be debated all day long but no one can say a certain part of the manga isn't canon.