The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Dyno » Fri Mar 13, 2015 8:34 pm

And yet, much better than many Dragon Ball Z Toei/anime characters.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Lord Beerus » Fri Mar 13, 2015 8:34 pm

Angelus wrote:Oh! So evil Bardock is just some video game character lol
And what of it?

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Angelus » Fri Mar 13, 2015 8:58 pm

Well, there's a bunch of video game characters that would be vague in power IMO, such as SSJ3 Broly or Baby Janemba or Cell-X. And that I find it difficult to accurately estimate how powerful those guys were.

Also had no idea about the Tekken characters. XD

But here's some quick versus for ya:

Android 14 VS Android 20 (post-absorptions)

SSJ Future Trunks with sword (first appearance in the main timeline) VS Androids Saga/Pre-ROSAT Piccolo, Tien, Krillin, Yamcha, Base Gohan, Vegeta, and Goku (No Kaioken, Tribeam Solar Flare, or Kienzan)

Bio-Broly (not giant form) VS Cell Games USSJ Future Trunks with sword

Cell Games ASSJ Vegeta VS Dabura (no spitting)

Imperfect Cell (post-absorptions) VS Androids 13, 14, 15, 17, 18, 19, 20, Future 17 and 18 (no self destruct)

former versus:

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Sandubadear » Fri Mar 13, 2015 9:09 pm

Ultimate/Mystic Krillin vs. Semi-Perfect Cell
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by SSJ2FutureGohan » Fri Mar 13, 2015 9:56 pm

Sandubadear wrote:Ultimate/Mystic Krillin vs. Semi-Perfect Cell
Cell spits out #18, un-absorbs every single human he absorbed, reverts to his larval state, and still beats Krillin. Jk, but the highest I would see Krillin reaching would be around base Vegeta (Android arc) level or around that.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Hugo Boss » Fri Mar 13, 2015 9:56 pm

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Angelus wrote:Am I missing something? Who the heck is evil Great Ape Bardock? And frrom where? DB Minus? TV Special? Episode of Bardock? Or is this just the regular Bardock turned Great Ape and happens to have an evil personality?
Evil Bardock is the Dragon Ball Online/Xenoverse/Heroes mind-controlled Bardock. He can turn Great Ape in DB Heroes, and there's a trailer of him fighting and defeating Super Saiyan 4 Goku, and surviving against Gogeta.
Cool. I never thought Bardock would come that far. So he could be around Omega Shenron's level, couldn't he?
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Fri Mar 13, 2015 9:58 pm

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Sandubadear wrote:
Angelus wrote:Am I missing something? Who the heck is evil Great Ape Bardock? And frrom where? DB Minus? TV Special? Episode of Bardock? Or is this just the regular Bardock turned Great Ape and happens to have an evil personality?
Evil Bardock is the Dragon Ball Online/Xenoverse/Heroes mind-controlled Bardock. He can turn Great Ape in DB Heroes, and there's a trailer of him fighting and defeating Super Saiyan 4 Goku, and surviving against Gogeta.
Cool. I never thought Bardock would come that far. So he could be around Omega Shenron's level, isn't he?
Granted, I don't know the context of this particular one, and I don't know anything about his story, but...Dragon Ball Z video game trailers and intro cinematics don't really accurately portray character strengths.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Dyno » Fri Mar 13, 2015 10:06 pm

Hugo Boss wrote:Cool. I never thought Bardock would come that far. So he could be around Omega Shenron's level, couldn't he?
Far beyond. Evil Bardock blocked a punch from Gogeta, Omega Shenron can't do that.

There is a trailer where his power level was shown, it is over 2 billions and 800. That means he has the highest power level ever registered in an official material, surpassing even Super Saiyan Gogeta, as you know, who was stated to have 2 billions and half.

It is a Dragon Ball Heroes thing, though. It's not like Bardock would receive some/such treatment from that author. He needs other hands to act, unfortunately.

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Post by Hugo Boss » Fri Mar 13, 2015 10:11 pm

Then, counting how video games portray their own power scale, this Bardock is at least stronger than Super Gogeta.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Dyno » Fri Mar 13, 2015 10:15 pm

Hugo Boss wrote:Then, counting how video games portray their own power scale, this Bardock is at least stronger than Super Gogeta.
Yes. At least on par with Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta, maybe stronger, maybe weaker... That trailer does not answer that. :wink:
Think you could say Bardock is the strongest single character in the video-games universe. Lol.

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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Fri Mar 13, 2015 10:24 pm

Dyno wrote:
Hugo Boss wrote:Then, counting how video games portray their own power scale, this Bardock is at least stronger than Super Gogeta.
Yes. At least on par with Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta, maybe stronger, maybe weaker... That trailer does not answer that. :wink:
Think you could say Bardock is the strongest single character in the video-games universe. Lol.
I think he's about as strong as an arcade machine, seeing as it's not actually Bardock.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Hugo Boss » Fri Mar 13, 2015 10:25 pm

Dyno wrote:Think you could say Bardock is the strongest single character in the video-games universe.
Isn't he fused with Mira?

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Dyno » Fri Mar 13, 2015 10:29 pm

Hugo Boss wrote:Isn't he fused with Mira?
What? No. He is controlled by him through that mask. I think it is mentioned in Dragon Ball Online when Mira possesses someone, he can give a certain amount of power, increasing the possessed person's power by how much Mira wants, but I am not sure if this information is real and I read it years ago, even if I read correctly... Lol.

A fusion though... Now that you mentioned, I want to see a King Vegeta and Bardock fusion in Heroes. :lol:

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by singsing » Fri Mar 13, 2015 10:32 pm

Dyno wrote:
Hugo Boss wrote:Cool. I never thought Bardock would come that far. So he could be around Omega Shenron's level, couldn't he?
Far beyond. Evil Bardock blocked a punch from Gogeta, Omega Shenron can't do that.

There is a trailer where his power level was shown, it is over 2 billions and 800. That means he has the highest power level ever registered in an official material, surpassing even Super Saiyan Gogeta, as you know, who was stated to have 2 billions and half.

It is a Dragon Ball Heroes thing, though. It's not like Bardock would receive some/such treatment from that author. He needs other hands to act, unfortunately.
2 billion 800 beats 2.5 billion? This is just video game power levels making no sense, considering SSJ4 Gogeta is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SSJ Gogeta.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Dyno » Fri Mar 13, 2015 10:35 pm

singsing wrote:2 billion 800 beats 2.5 billion?
No, a 2 billions and 800 can block a punch from a 2.5 billions. :wink:

And yet, I have to mention that Gogeta's power level comes from an old V-Jump scan for Budokai 3. Maybe in Heroes his power is way higher.
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Post by dbzfan7 » Fri Mar 13, 2015 10:36 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:
Dyno wrote:
Hugo Boss wrote:Then, counting how video games portray their own power scale, this Bardock is at least stronger than Super Gogeta.
Yes. At least on par with Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta, maybe stronger, maybe weaker... That trailer does not answer that. :wink:
Think you could say Bardock is the strongest single character in the video-games universe. Lol.
I think he's about as strong as an arcade machine, seeing as it's not actually Bardock.
That's my conclusion. The manga I hear has all these inconsistencies as well, so there's no point in trying to rationalize it or count it.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Sandubadear » Fri Mar 13, 2015 10:51 pm

Dyno wrote:
singsing wrote:2 billion 800 beats 2.5 billion?
No, a 2 billions and 800 can block a punch from a 2.5 billions. :wink:

And yet, I have to mention that Gogeta's power level comes from an old V-Jump scan for Budokai 3. Maybe in Heroes his power is way higher.
And that PL is for Super Saiyan Gogeta, not Super Saiyan 4.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by SSJ2FutureGohan » Fri Mar 13, 2015 11:46 pm

Yakon vs. Kaioshin

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Angelus » Fri Mar 13, 2015 11:58 pm

Looks like a Piccolo VS Kaioshin question in disguise. Kidding. lol

Anyways, if you think that Piccolo was more powerful than Kaioshin and just stepped down from the 25th WMAT match out of respect, then Yakon wins. If indeed, Kaioshin has a much higher power level than Piccolo, then Kaioshin wins against Yakon. Yakon is supposed to be like around 1/3rd of Buu Saga SSJ Goku's power, based on Babidi's Kili device. However, I'm not sure if that was Goku at 100% as a SSJ.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by SSJ2FutureGohan » Sat Mar 14, 2015 12:10 am

It's possible he was suppressed as a SSJ, since

Yakon = 800 kiri

Goku ~ Yakon

SSJ Goku = 3,000 kiri

3,000 / 800 = 3.75x

So unless SSJ is now a 3.75x boost, he was most likely suppressed.

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