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KaiserNeko wrote:I still don't understand people's obsession with pessimism about this movie. This thread has been an unhealthy, toxic atmosphere because half the folks in it keep shitting on the film, even though none of us have seen it, besides the heavily abridged comic.
WHAT IS THE POINT? I'm genuinely curious! You're not venting REAL frustrations, you're venting frustrations you've created in your heads because your expectations aren't seemingly being catered to. Nobody has the full details, nobody has seen the movie, yet people still seem genuinely upset. That's ridiculous to me, as it does nothing but harbor a negative, pessimistic attitude about something we should be happy is even being made in the first place.
Take a bow, KaiserNeko. Take a bow.
Honestly, this thread and the community it's attracted has been one of the main reasons I've been trying to stay away from this site. It's dreadful and all attempts to sway the conversation in a positive direction have been futile. I don't think I've ever seen such unfounded negativity towards the franchise in my life. The film isn't even out, we have so little context for most of these complaints, it hurts.
I guess to add to this conversation rather than complaining about complaining - I'm glad Tagoma is alive. I'm happy we finally have justification for the absense of key characters (as silly as it is), and I'm very excited to finally read this to find out what Goku and Vegeta are up to.
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Lord Beerus wrote:
- Goten and Trunks effectively got axed from the movie, by viture of Bulma's orders.
- Yamcha has been effectively axed from the movie, by virtue of Tenshinhan ordering him not take part in any of the battle.
- Majin Boo has been effectively axed from the movie, by virtue of... taking a nap
And that pretty much it.
Kishido wrote:[
I will summarize
Yamcha and Chaozou won't be in cuz they are fodder and Daddy Tenshinhan told them to stay at home
Goten and Trunks aren't told about this affair by Bulma's order... They forgot how to sense strong KIi and that's the explanation
Instead we will get Roshi and Bulma
So Roshi is confirmed to be stronger than Gotenks and Yamcha?
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I don't really care that Buu isn't in it. He barely played a role in BoGs and the role he did play was to make Beerus angry and then serve as fodder for him. Now I'm quite disappointed that Trunks and Goten aren't in it.
Sandubadear wrote:So Roshi is confirmed to be stronger than Gotenks and Yamcha?
No. Roshi has to right to be involved in any battle he damn well pleases. Hell, he's so long overdue when it comes to being a part of a major battle.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
I'm seriously surprised how Tagoma could survive a hit from Freeza.
And Google Translate doesn't really help to figure out which side he is, either, I assume he switched sides after Freeza betrayed him and he let the fighters on Earth know.
Doctor. wrote:I'm seriously surprised how Tagoma could survive a hit from Freeza.
And Google Translate doesn't really help to figure out which side he is, either, I assume he switched sides after Freeza betrayed him and he let the fighters on Earth know.
Tagoma survived an attack from Freeza?
Motherfucker is a lot than I thought he was.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Actually, it's implied he tossed him out the ship window using his telekinesis. I guess he can survive in space! Good to see he sticks around, resilient bugger.
You know, I'd much rather have a film that focuses on a few characters properly than just have everyone there for the sake of being there, like Battle of Gods and the JSAT Special.
For those two features, there was a sense of 'this is a celebration, this is a reunion, isn't it nice to have everyone back together again?' - but we've done that, we've been there. Goten and Trunks got had plenty of attention in the Buu arc, but Kuririn hasn't had any since the Cell arc, and arguably, Tenshinhan and Roshi haven't had any proper plot-space save for supporting roles and cameos since the 'Dragonball' volumes of the Manga.
--Edit--
And ha! Regarding Tagoma not dying - I knew it! I noted at the time on here that it didn't look like he died, all we saw was him get thrown out of the window.
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Suupaa Gohan 2 wrote:What a dreadful, horrible set of choices being made by Toriyama and company. Watching this movie unfold is like observing a car wreck... you don't WANT to see what you're seeing, yet somehow you just can't bring yourself to look away. There's an almost morbid curiosity to it.
Could you please elaborate on the dreadful, horrible choices.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
KaiserNeko wrote:I still don't understand people's obsession with pessimism about this movie. This thread has been an unhealthy, toxic atmosphere because half the folks in it keep shitting on the film, even though none of us have seen it, besides the heavily abridged comic.
WHAT IS THE POINT? I'm genuinely curious! You're not venting REAL frustrations, you're venting frustrations you've created in your heads because your expectations aren't seemingly being catered to. Nobody has the full details, nobody has seen the movie, yet people still seem genuinely upset. That's ridiculous to me, as it does nothing but harbor a negative, pessimistic attitude about something we should be happy is even being made in the first place.
Take a bow, KaiserNeko. Take a bow.
Honestly, this thread and the community it's attracted has been one of the main reasons I've been trying to stay away from this site. It's dreadful and all attempts to sway the conversation in a positive direction have been futile. I don't think I've ever seen such unfounded negativity towards the franchise in my life. The film isn't even out, we have so little context for most of these complaints, it hurts.
I guess to add to this conversation rather than complaining about complaining - I'm glad Tagoma is alive. I'm happy we finally have justification for the absense of key characters (as silly as it is), and I'm very excited to finally read this to find out what Goku and Vegeta are up to.
Kei posted some info, and the hungry piranhas smelled blood and attacked
I think most of them registered only to complain about the Movie. And it's hard to find info buried in this negativity.
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Suupaa Gohan 2 wrote:What a dreadful, horrible set of choices being made by Toriyama and company. Watching this movie unfold is like observing a car wreck... you don't WANT to see what you're seeing, yet somehow you just can't bring yourself to look away. There's an almost morbid curiosity to it.
Could you please elaborate on the dreadful, horrible choices.
I doubt she has to, going by the last few pages. Even I'm perplexed by some of these choices.
But, I think a lot of people are misreading it. Gohan didn't leave Goten and Trunks out because they're week. Gohan said it was because "they can go too far". I'm not saying that makes any more sense, though. But...when you think about Goku and Vegeta taking him on in base form...maybe they aren't really taking Freeza seriously? They know Gotenks will be overkill, so they kind of leave them out. (But then you have to wonder why Tien thought Yamcha and Chaozu were excluded by Tien)
Lot's of interesting things going on here...I'm very interested in seeing how things pan out.
Pun unintended, but a very happy accident
Rocketman(In response to a post about Pandora's Box) wrote:
I sat here for ten damn minutes wondering what the hell God of War had to do with any of this.
Insertclevername wrote:I plan to lose my virginity to Dragon Box 2.
Doctor. wrote:I'm assuming it was Tagoma who warned the fighters, it seems logical.
And if that's the case, is it ok to think that maybe he joins the heroes in the fight too?
It could be Jaco, too.
Rocketman(In response to a post about Pandora's Box) wrote:
I sat here for ten damn minutes wondering what the hell God of War had to do with any of this.
Insertclevername wrote:I plan to lose my virginity to Dragon Box 2.
At first the negative comments really annoyed me, but now I don't care since it seems that some people are hating this movie just because they WANT to hate this movie. Some comments are so full of hate that they are even funny to read
Gianchio wrote:At first the negative comments really annoyed me, but now I don't care since it seems that some people are hating this movie just because they WANT to hate this movie. Some comments are so full of hate that they are even funny to read
Like it was mentioned before, people WANT to like the movie. What is coming out is just not to their liking and the disappointment makes them pessimistic. I agree that positivism is always better, but its easy to understand why the fans complain and realize that its not because they want to hate. At least, for most.
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Gianchio wrote:At first the negative comments really annoyed me, but now I don't care since it seems that some people are hating this movie just because they WANT to hate this movie. Some comments are so full of hate that they are even funny to read
Or, y'know, people actually have legitimate criticism?
