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by lash » Wed Dec 21, 2011 3:56 pm
perucho1990 wrote:Chilled vs Namek Saga Vegeta(When he fought first form Freeza).
There's absolutely no way to tell.
But I like Vegeta more, so I'd give him the win.
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by Piccolo Daimao » Wed Dec 21, 2011 5:24 pm
Kid Buu wrote:Ginyu (Goku's body) & Jeice Vs. Gohan, Krillin, Goku (Ginyu's Body)
Jheese, being much stronger than all of them, easily demolishes the opposition.
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by CaBrPi » Thu Dec 22, 2011 12:04 am
This one's interested me for a while:
Dabra vs. Cell
Scenario 1: Cell is in his Perfect form, but pre-Zenkai
Scenario 2: Cell is post-Zenkai
The first scenario is moreso what I'm interested in, so I'll start with it. Dabra's probably more powerful here, but I think Cell's got the advantage in strategy, cleverness, and durability (due to his regeneration). I think that Cell could pull off the win here, despite probably being less powerful than Dabra, but I think Dabra could win if he happened to spit on whatever part Cell's nucleus happens to be in.
The second scenario I see as an easy win for Cell. He's implied to be approximately as strong as Super Saiyan 2 Gohan, who was at his most powerful until the Elder Kaioshin brought his power out beyond its limits. A weaker Gohan fought pretty evenly with Dabra, so I'd definitely give this one to Cell.
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by Super Saiyan Turlast x4 » Thu Dec 22, 2011 1:39 am
I honestly think Dabra would lose in both scenario's. I can see him being around Cell's level when he fought Goku, if not a bit stronger than that. I don't see him being at a level capable of defeating Cell at full-power, let alone Super Perfect Cell.
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by Kaboom » Thu Dec 22, 2011 2:12 am
Super Saiyan Turlast x4 wrote:I honestly think Dabra would lose in both scenario's. I can see him being around Cell's level when he fought Goku, if not a bit stronger than that. I don't see him being at a level capable of defeating Cell at full-power, let alone Super Perfect Cell.
I agree with this. Dabra had an edge over a rusty and somewhat-weaker Super Saiyan Gohan, but not large enough that it was a hopeless battle. So all-in-all he'd be right around the power of Cell when he fought Goku and Gohan, before going up to full-power.
So full-power and "Super Perfect" Cell would beat him, and pretty easily too.
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by Fox666 » Thu Dec 22, 2011 8:13 am
It was never actually said that Cell was stronger than Gohan in his Super Saiyan form, all we know is that Cell was very confident. So it is not impossible that Dabra was really identical to Cell.
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by Piccolo Daimao » Thu Dec 22, 2011 10:56 am
CaBrPi wrote:Dabra vs. Cell
Scenario 1: Cell is in his Perfect form, but pre-Zenkai
If this is Cell when he fought Goku and Gohan pre-full power, then it's hard to tell. Dabra's apparently around Cell's level, which must be the suppressed level that he fought Goku and Gohan at, since Gohan in the Boo arc used regular Super Saiyan against him. While Cell has his regeneration, Dabra has magic and could turn him to stone. So it could go either way.
If Cell's at full power, then Cell easily demolishes him.
Scenario 2: Cell is post-Zenkai
To put it subtly, Cell monster-rapes Dabra.
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by Fox666 » Thu Dec 22, 2011 6:58 pm
I would find it odd for Goku to say Dabra has the same strength of Cell but not meaning his true strength.
Vegeta was at a whole different level than Dabra or Gohan when he fought Majin Boo, and since Cell after returning is supposedly at a Super Saiyan 2 level he probably would easily defeat Dabra.
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by Super Saiyan Turlast x4 » Thu Dec 22, 2011 8:44 pm
His comparison sounds more like a guess than an exact one. He could be anywhere you believe him to be. I don't think he's around full-power Cell because he'd most likely crush Super Saiyan Gohan if he was. I think Dabra being as strong as the Cell Goku fought is a good level for him. With the way he fought, he might even be weaker.
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by In Brightest Day » Thu Dec 22, 2011 10:53 pm
Piccolo vs. Tenshinhan from the 23rd Budokai. Both of them are at
equal power levels.
How well can Tien do comparatively with Goku against Piccolo if he was Piccolo's equal at the time?
Super Saiyan Turlast x4 wrote:His comparison sounds more like a guess than an exact one. He could be anywhere you believe him to be. I don't think he's around full-power Cell because he'd most likely crush Super Saiyan Gohan if he was. I think Dabra being as strong as the Cell Goku fought is a good level for him. With the way he fought, he might even be weaker.
Or just a less skilled fighter. Cell has parts of Goku, Piccolo & Vegeta in him remember.
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by perucho1990 » Fri Dec 23, 2011 2:00 am
In Brightest Day wrote:Piccolo vs. Tenshinhan from the 23rd Budokai. Both of them are at equal power levels.
How well can Tenshinhan do comparatively with Goku against Piccolo if he was Piccolo's equal at the time?
Or just a less skilled fighter. Cell has parts of Goku, Piccolo & Vegeta in him remember.
Piccolo if Tien uses the Kage Bushin no Jutsu/Multiplication technique.
Tien would win due to PIS or spamming Kikoho.
Goten and Chibi Trunks vs Post-Rosat Mirai Trunks.
Conditions: No Gotenks.
Scenario 1: Mirai Trunks faces Pre-Rosat SSJ Goten/Trunks.
Scenario2: Mirai Trunks faces Post-Rosat SSJ Goten/Trunks.
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by Silver Sinspawn » Fri Dec 23, 2011 2:27 am
... Roshi versus the Crane Hermit?
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by Kaboom » Fri Dec 23, 2011 2:51 am
perucho1990 wrote:Goten and Chibi Trunks vs Post-Rosat Mirai Trunks.
Conditions: No Gotenks.
Scenario 1: Mirai Trunks faces Pre-Rosat SSJ Goten/Trunks.
Scenario2: Mirai Trunks faces Post-Rosat SSJ Goten/Trunks.
Which of Future Trunks' trips into the room are we talking about? His first one together with Vegeta where they emerged and showed off the 'Grades' forms, or the second trip he took on his own in preparation for the Cell Games? Because there's be a big difference in Trunks' power with each.
If it's the former, then the two kids working together are a serious threat to him, and he may possibly lose. Unless of course he uses Grade 2, which would tip the odds back in his favor. If it's the latter, with SSj Trunks from the Cell Games, then he can easily beat them both at the same time with his once-again-standard Super Saiyan.
As for the kids being pre- or post-Room... a week isn't going to make any worthwhile difference. Give them a year or so to use it like Future Trunks did and then it might matter.
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by Michsi » Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:54 am
Well, considering that I still think Goku did a tintsy bit better than Tenshinhan at the 22nd tournament, and that it was Goku's stamina and endurance, which I don't see anybody else having, that made the difference in the end, I think Piccolo would win.
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by Fox666 » Fri Dec 23, 2011 7:28 am
perucho1990 wrote:Scenario 1: Mirai Trunks faces Pre-Rosat SSJ Goten/Trunks.
Scenario2: Mirai Trunks faces Post-Rosat SSJ Goten/Trunks.
Any of the kids alone would easily defeat Trunks.
Silver Sinspawn wrote:... Roshi versus the Crane Hermit?
Tsuru-sennin official battle power is 120, besides Tenshinhan mentioned that Kame-sennin was stronger than Tsuru, so...
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by FNF » Fri Dec 23, 2011 9:20 am
In Brightest Day wrote:Piccolo vs. Tenshinhan from the 23rd Budokai. Both of them are at equal power levels.
How well can Tenshinhan do comparatively with Goku against Piccolo if he was Piccolo's equal at the time?
In terms of raw skill and technique, Tenshinhan will probably have the advantage. Piccolo was always set up as a power house in dragonball. Without the power advantage he isn't much imo.
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Goten and Chibi Trunks vs Post-Rosat Mirai Trunks.
Conditions: No Gotenks.
Scenario 1: Mirai Trunks faces Pre-Rosat SSJ Goten/Trunks.
Scenario2: Mirai Trunks faces Post-Rosat SSJ Goten/Trunks.
Trunks and Goten decimate Cell games Trunks even pre RoSaT.
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by Piccolo Daimao » Fri Dec 23, 2011 1:42 pm
In Brightest Day wrote:Piccolo vs. Tenshinhan from the 23rd Budokai. Both of them are at equal power levels.
Piccolo, based on regeneration.
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by Rocketman » Fri Dec 23, 2011 2:32 pm
Piccolo went toe-to-toe with Goku, the king of technique and skill in DB. Tien would put up a good fight, but only the 'equal power levels' condition gives him a faint glimmer of winning.
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by In Brightest Day » Fri Dec 23, 2011 5:19 pm
Well, in terms of skill I've always had Goku & Piccolo as the top two, with Tenshinhan & Vegeta one tier below them. So, with regeneration Piccolo picks up the victory (unless Tenshinhan fires off a Ki-Ko-Ho). It'd be a very close fight, though.
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by Silver Sinspawn » Sat Dec 24, 2011 2:21 am
Fox666 wrote:perucho1990 wrote:Scenario 1: Mirai Trunks faces Pre-Rosat SSJ Goten/Trunks.
Scenario2: Mirai Trunks faces Post-Rosat SSJ Goten/Trunks.
Any of the kids alone would easily defeat Trunks.
Silver Sinspawn wrote:... Roshi versus the Crane Hermit?
Tsuru-sennin official battle power is 120, besides Tenshinhan mentioned that Kame-sennin was stronger than Tsuru, so...
Don't you think Tien would have some kind on bias?
And, we're including Roshi at full power.
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