Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods"

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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods

Post by Bullza » Sat May 17, 2014 2:34 am

Why exactly did Gohan and the others turn Super Saiyan when they were making Goku a God?

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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods

Post by Blade » Sat May 17, 2014 2:46 am

Bullza wrote:Why exactly did Gohan and the others turn Super Saiyan when they were making Goku a God?
For brand identification and because it looked cool.

For an in-universe explanation... I guess if just having a bunch of pure hearted Saiyans stand in a circle was all that is required to make someone a Super Saiyan God, with the likes of Bardock and Gine kicking around it would seem likely to have happened accidently on Planet Vegeta some time ago. I guess the Super Saiyan thing makes it a rarer feat to accomplish? Not that it explains Pan's involvement... Unless she transforms inside Videl.
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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sat May 17, 2014 6:42 am

Bullza wrote:Why exactly did Gohan and the others turn Super Saiyan when they were making Goku a God?
The previous good Saiyans that helped the previous God to transform were all stated to be weaker than the evil Saiyans, so they shouldn't be able to turn Super Saiyan, and Pan obviously wasn't a Super Saiyan, so there it's obvious that Super Saiyan isn't required.

As for why they transformed, I guess they thought that it may help Goku, since they would donate more power, but didn't power-up into Super Saiyan 2, Super Saiyan 3, or Ultimate (Vegeta, Goku, and Gohan respectively), so that they would keep their personalities intact & as pure as possible, since they all seem to have mastered Super Saiyan, meaning that it doesn't make them more brutal, unlike the other forms.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods

Post by Kishido » Sun May 18, 2014 9:46 am

Something I wanted to ask all the time... Why Bills never mentioned Buu? He was suprised that Frieza was beaten but not by Buu? As God of Destruction he should know him as well and know that he has been way stronger as Frieza

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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods

Post by Blade » Sun May 18, 2014 11:28 am

Kishido wrote:Something I wanted to ask all the time... Why Bills never mentioned Buu? He was suprised that Freeza was beaten but not by Buu? As God of Destruction he should know him as well and know that he has been way stronger as Freeza
It's a bit of a strange one, but I can only assume that the destruction Buu caused under Bibidi must been whilst Beerus was sleeping. We know that the Elder Kaioshin was unfamiliar with Buu which suggests that he was sealed away in the Z Sword long before Buu wiped out most of the Kais, but as Toriyama has now stated that it was in fact Beerus who sealed him away, we know for sure that Buu's first coming has to have happened during his tenure as God of Destruction.

It's easy to explain Beerus' lack of knowledge of Buu's revival under Babidi, as we know that he had been asleep for many years prior to waking up at the start of the film, but even if we were to assume that he simply happened to be napping whenever Buu was rampaging, it's hard to believe that Uisu wouldn't have given him some form of update on things that had happened in the Universe during his nap - as he did at the start of the film when describing Freeza's defeat at the hands of Goku.

One would have thought that the destructive rampage of creature like Buu would be high on the list of things Beerus would want to be updated about.
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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun May 18, 2014 1:09 pm

The Boo he saw looked almost nothing like the original Majin Boo, which is the one he most likely knows.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods

Post by Blade » Sun May 18, 2014 1:19 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:The Boo he saw looked almost nothing like the original Majin Boo, which is the one he most likely knows.
Apart from being fat and wearing a vest, gloves and cape, they look incredibly similar, especially anatomically speaking. If the pinkness and the head-tail failed to remind Beerus of Buu, then I'm sure the giant 'M' insignia on his belt would have given it away. It's fair to say that he was clearly unfamiliar with Buu in general, finding him to be a strange creature.
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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods

Post by TheGmGoken » Sun May 18, 2014 1:25 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:The Boo he saw looked almost nothing like the original Majin Boo, which is the one he most likely knows.
I'm sure Boo someone else said "Boo" while Beerus was at the party. Hell he could think it was a majin race..

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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods

Post by xmysticgohanx » Sun May 18, 2014 2:53 pm

IIRC Bulma's hair was blue in the movie right? Do you guys think Toriyama just didn't care to tell Toei to make it purple?
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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods

Post by dbgtFO » Sun May 18, 2014 3:50 pm

xmysticgohanx wrote:IIRC Bulma's hair was blue in the movie right? Do you guys think Toriyama just didn't care to tell Toei to make it purple?
I don't think he had a say in that regard.
As far as Toei's concerned her hair is torqoise/green/blue.
Only in the 10th anniversary movie is her hair purple.

Piccolo also has 5 fingers on each hand, so even though this movie is a part of Toriyama's version of Dragon Ball, it still uses the anime's version of the characters.

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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun May 18, 2014 4:15 pm

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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:The Boo he saw looked almost nothing like the original Majin Boo, which is the one he most likely knows.
Apart from being fat and wearing a vest, gloves and cape, they look incredibly similar, especially anatomically speaking. If the pinkness and the head-tail failed to remind Beerus of Buu, then I'm sure the giant 'M' insignia on his belt would have given it away. It's fair to say that he was clearly unfamiliar with Buu in general, finding him to be a strange creature.
I don't think Beerus, as carefree as he is, would pay attention to such details. Neither do I think that he was that familiar with Boo. Heck, maybe he doesn't even remember him, since he didn't even remember that he destroyed Kaio's planet.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Post by Hellspawn28 » Sun May 18, 2014 5:31 pm

Beerus most likely knows about Kid Buu and not his other forms.
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Post by JeffJarrett » Sun May 18, 2014 8:23 pm

The time Buu was in hibernation might be the time Beerus was awaken, and vice versa so that they were never awaken at the same time. Also, both basically do the same thing when awaken, destructing planets.

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Post by Gonstead » Sun May 18, 2014 11:45 pm

I like to imagine that Buu was unintentionally doing Beerus' job for him. When Beerus found out, he just let him roam free and lazed around.
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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods

Post by KentalSSJ6 » Mon May 19, 2014 2:07 am

Gonstead wrote:I like to imagine that Buu was unintentionally doing Beerus' job for him. When Beerus found out, he just let him roam free and lazed around.
This. Its doubtful Beerus would care what got destroyed seeing as he himself destroys planets at random at well. Plus if Buu did start getting out of control, even for Beerus's standards, Whis could come in and end the little Majin with one blow (assuming he's been with Beerus that long).
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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods

Post by Blade » Mon May 19, 2014 4:33 am

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Gonstead wrote:I like to imagine that Buu was unintentionally doing Beerus' job for him. When Beerus found out, he just let him roam free and lazed around.
This. Its doubtful Beerus would care what got destroyed seeing as he himself destroys planets at random at well. Plus if Buu did start getting out of control, even for Beerus's standards, Whis could come in and end the little Majin with one blow (assuming he's been with Beerus that long).
I dunno, he didn't seem to have too many qualms about the idea of killing Freeza.

Keep in mind there's that this notion of Universal 'balance' whereby you've got a God of Destruction and the Kaioshin, the apparent Gods of 'creation'. We know that the latter got involved with the conflict against Majin Buu but didn't do anything to stop Freeza, which implies that in the case of Buu, the level of destruction was upsetting the natural balance of things so much as to end their neutrality in the situation. Surely this works both ways, and killing Buu would have been as much a part of Beerus' mandate as it was for the Kaoishin.
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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods

Post by JeffJarrett » Mon May 19, 2014 4:39 am

It's Bibidi who ordered Buu to attack the Kaioshins, wasn't it?

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Post by Hugo Boss » Mon May 19, 2014 2:31 pm

JeffJarrett wrote:It's Bibidi who ordered Buu to attack the Kaioshins, wasn't it?
Not exactly, Beerus did it. But seriously, I recall the Kaioshins going after him or vice-versa and Bibidi thinking he was in control.

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Post by Low Tone G » Mon May 19, 2014 4:07 pm

Anyone knows who will draw the Battle of Gods animanga?
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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Mon May 19, 2014 4:25 pm

Low Tone G wrote:Anyone knows who will draw the Battle of Gods animanga?
No one will. It's an animanga, meaning that it's pictures of the movie with speech bubbles in the form of a comic, not an adaptation of the movie. And it's already out in Japan.
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