"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[FortuneSSJ]

He didn't have better development than the pride troopers, U6 Saiyans and Trio de Danger.

Of course not but those are a very small number compared to the huge amount of characters we have.

The problem is not really with the arc itself but how soon this Tournament happened in the story. We should have had at least 1/2 arcs more before this where we could have known a little about two other new Universes.

Leave 4 Universes out of the Tournament was the best thing they could have done, both for the story and the production.

[emperior]

Toyotaro won't be skipping anything. Though is manga will most likely be much faster than the anime, as it seems like the anime staff intentionally padded things out, in order to fix the schedule and prepare better for the tournament. Next chapter could probably end with Daishinkan explaining the rules of the ToP after the Zen Exhibition Match (if it happens).

[Bullza]

We should have had at least 1/2 arcs more before this where we could have known a little about two other new Universes.

That's exactly what should have happened. This Tournament happened way too soon.

Going into it we're familiar with characters from Universes 6, 7, 9 and 11. That's it.

They could have had a couple other arcs in between and introducing a few characters from these others universes as well so there wasn't as many background fodder.

The more characters we knew the better it would have been.

[Duo]

I greatly adore both versions of the Zamasu arc having now seen them both to completion, but I have to say that the manga version edges out on top.

"Go wild until you die."

Perfect. Just perfect. Toyotaro may not be Toriyama, but he definitely knows how to write Dragon Ball.

[sintzu]

The problem is not really with the arc itself but how soon this Tournament happened in the story.

I agree. The idea itself is great but it was rushed. Had we gotten fighters from u10 help against Zamasu and 1 or 2 more arcs that introduce others universes then it would've been a lot better and most of its issues wouldn't be here now.

I'm seriously going to beat a random puppy the next time I see people still get this wrong.

It won't happen again just don't hit a puppy.

[HeroR]

I am not sure why everyone thinks he is suddenly gonna rush now ahead to the ToP, given the pace of the Black arc it is clear now that the Manga has stopped being promotion for the anime, it is more like a spin off now thus they don't have to worry about the anime being miles ahead and Toyo can experiment a bit and do things differently, heck I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't any fighting in this chapter. Art wise he did get sloppy halfway through the Black arc... forgot how to draw Trunks, comparing his Trunks from the beginning to the end it is night and day.

I also think people shouldn't take his "I will be ahead and sending stuff back" comment seriously as he was probably referring to the the CD's he did alongside Toriyama. There is no way he had all of what 5 remaining chapters of the Black arc done and a couple chapters of the U.S arc all done by February before the arc officially kicked off, plus on top of all that designing new characters too? Yeah very unlikely, he was probably just designing characters and did the PV for Jump Festa.

Given how the writing of the Future Trunks Saga went, I find that idea a little scary. But maybe sense he will take his time more it will work better. I mean, the Universal Survival Saga is on the a whole much simpler than the Future Trunks Saga outside of all the character designs.

[ekrolo2]

I would say even the Black arc happens too fast, the idea of a Kai getting afraid/jealous of all these powerful non-God people running around who can do what they want and growing so paranoid about this he feels like the ENTIRE system needs to be destroyed from the ground up feels like an end game arc.

Goku proving himself as one of the strongest around after defeating all the multiverse has to offer then having that power get used by Zamasu to wipe everything out feels a lot better than "Yeah! I got Goku's body! I mean, I can't use most of its power and even at max strength, I'm worthless shit tier against other strong mortals out there but yeah! I got Goku's body!"

The ToP arc is where Zamasu should've snapped with the Black arc happening afterward.

[emperior]

I would say even the Black arc happens too fast, the idea of a Kai getting afraid/jealous of all these powerful non-God people running around who can do what they want and growing so paranoid about this he feels like the ENTIRE system needs to be destroyed from the ground up feels like an end game arc.

Goku proving himself as one of the strongest around after defeating all the multiverse has to offer then having that power get used by Zamasu to wipe everything out feels a lot better than "Yeah! I got Goku's body! I mean, I can't use most of its power and even at max strength, I'm worthless shit tier against other strong mortals out there but yeah! I got Goku's body!"

The ToP arc is where Zamasu should've snapped with the Black arc happening afterward.

You're not the first one to mention this. We still don't know whether the universes will be brought back or not after the ToP. I wouldn't be so sure after what happened at the end of the FT arc. So I would wait before making these considerations, though if the ToP doesn't lead into something bigger and the universes are brought back with the Super DBs then yeah, I would agree with you guys.

[ekrolo2]

I would say even the Black arc happens too fast, the idea of a Kai getting afraid/jealous of all these powerful non-God people running around who can do what they want and growing so paranoid about this he feels like the ENTIRE system needs to be destroyed from the ground up feels like an end game arc.

Goku proving himself as one of the strongest around after defeating all the multiverse has to offer then having that power get used by Zamasu to wipe everything out feels a lot better than "Yeah! I got Goku's body! I mean, I can't use most of its power and even at max strength, I'm worthless shit tier against other strong mortals out there but yeah! I got Goku's body!"

The ToP arc is where Zamasu should've snapped with the Black arc happening afterward.

You're not the first one to mention this. We still don't know whether the universes will be brought back or not after the ToP. I wouldn't be so sure after what happened at the end of the FT arc. So I would wait before making these considerations, though if the ToP doesn't lead into something bigger and the universes are brought back with the Super DBs then yeah, I would agree with you guys.

I think I would believe a dark ending possibility for the ToP if the Black arcs ending wasn't such a tonal disaster. Plus, with the Super Dragon Balls already there, the possibility of a U7 person winning and saving everyone is all but asured. I'd like to be proven wrong and have the near death of the whole multiverse stick and be treated with the appropriate reaction but that Black arc was too chicken shit to see through it's dark ending to completely, opting for a forced bitter sweet option that I just don't see Toriyama not handwaving away all of this at the end.

[jplaya2023]

Yeah i hope toto just touches briefly on them recruiting for the tournament. SHow a flash back of goku and frieza in hell, then has the main fights in this newest chapter.

[Nero<>Akira]

all i got from this was that people like to be spoon fed lol doesn't take a genius to know what SSJ Rose was or how the time travel worked just from what was already said in the anime and also a chart Toei released. Manga isn't better at all. Maybe it was before Goku and Vegeta got to future.

I don't mind being spoon fed if that's what people think happens in the manga. Evidently it does take a genius to know what you listed considering we have 100's of videos and theories all over the internet including but not limited to Youtube, all claiming to be THE TRUTH. People still can't 100% agree on how Time Travel works in this series. This fandom has a serious headcanon problem and if being spoon fed concrete information thus leaving little to no room for "interpretation" helps curb that I'm all for it.

And the reason why this is the case is because people lack more critical thinking skills than they realize. There was only one character that went SSJRose. Zamasu. If it was a new form, wouldn't our heroes have gained it? They didn't. Goku had Blue and then Zamasu took his body and when he transforms, it's "rose" colored. Even his hair was still like SSJ1. Considering SSB uses God Ki and Zamasu has God Ki too (why piccolo couldn't really sense Supreme Kai), Zamasu hijacking Goku's body would be the reason for the different color. The essence of a God, not a Saiyan is why the color was like that. I had come to the conclusion it was the same thing as SSB for an unknown period of time before the manga chapter had even released.

And when the anime literally tells you how the TT works and a chart was released telling you how it works, then its apparent that there isn't anything wrong with the story; it's the viewer(s).

[OLKv3]

all i got from this was that people like to be spoon fed lol doesn't take a genius to know what SSJ Rose was or how the time travel worked just from what was already said in the anime and also a chart Toei released. Manga isn't better at all. Maybe it was before Goku and Vegeta got to future.

I don't mind being spoon fed if that's what people think happens in the manga. Evidently it does take a genius to know what you listed considering we have 100's of videos and theories all over the internet including but not limited to Youtube, all claiming to be THE TRUTH. People still can't 100% agree on how Time Travel works in this series. This fandom has a serious headcanon problem and if being spoon fed concrete information thus leaving little to no room for "interpretation" helps curb that I'm all for it.

And the reason why this is the case is because people lack more critical thinking skills than they realize. There was only one character that went SSJRose. Zamasu. If it was a new form, wouldn't our heroes have gained it? They didn't. Goku had Blue and then Zamasu took his body and when he transforms, it's "rose" colored. Even his hair was still like SSJ1. Considering SSB uses God Ki and Zamasu has God Ki too (why piccolo couldn't really sense Supreme Kai), Zamasu hijacking Goku's body would be the reason for the different color. The essence of a God, not a Saiyan is why the color was like that. I had come to the conclusion it was the same thing as SSB for an unknown period of time before the manga chapter had even released.

And when the anime literally tells you how the TT works and a chart was released telling you how it works, then its apparent that there isn't anything wrong with the story; it's the viewer(s).

Lmao
"The show is never the problem, it's your fault! The writing is perfect!"

[Nero<>Akira]

I don't mind being spoon fed if that's what people think happens in the manga. Evidently it does take a genius to know what you listed considering we have 100's of videos and theories all over the internet including but not limited to Youtube, all claiming to be THE TRUTH. People still can't 100% agree on how Time Travel works in this series. This fandom has a serious headcanon problem and if being spoon fed concrete information thus leaving little to no room for "interpretation" helps curb that I'm all for it.

And the reason why this is the case is because people lack more critical thinking skills than they realize. There was only one character that went SSJRose. Zamasu. If it was a new form, wouldn't our heroes have gained it? They didn't. Goku had Blue and then Zamasu took his body and when he transforms, it's "rose" colored. Even his hair was still like SSJ1. Considering SSB uses God Ki and Zamasu has God Ki too (why piccolo couldn't really sense Supreme Kai), Zamasu hijacking Goku's body would be the reason for the different color. The essence of a God, not a Saiyan is why the color was like that. I had come to the conclusion it was the same thing as SSB for an unknown period of time before the manga chapter had even released.

And when the anime literally tells you how the TT works and a chart was released telling you how it works, then its apparent that there isn't anything wrong with the story; it's the viewer(s).

Lmao
"The show is never the problem, it's your fault! The writing is perfect!"

Where did I say that? Super is by no means perfect. Seems like you feel offended.

[Noah]

So two days from now on (probably) we'll see Toyotaro approach of the current arc, can't say I'm not interested for it. Hope too see a better character work than Toei.

[mfwlegend3]

I'm just curious if Toyo will keep the "back tingles" method for Caulifla and Kale's SS, assuming that it's apart of Toriyama's outline. But even then, Toriyama has mentioned that he implores Toyo to make changes he feels are necessary and that it's "better that way."

[Totamo]

I'm just curious if Toyo will keep the "back tingles" method for Caulifla and Kale's SS, assuming that it's apart of Toriyama's outline. But even then, Toriyama has mentioned that he implores Toyo to make changes he feels are necessary and that it's "better that way."

Tori doesn't like explaining things.

[OLKv3]

I'm just curious if Toyo will keep the "back tingles" method for Caulifla and Kale's SS, assuming that it's apart of Toriyama's outline. But even then, Toriyama has mentioned that he implores Toyo to make changes he feels are necessary and that it's "better that way."

It'll stay but have some additional explanation to it. Like the quick line for SSR's hair color

[The gr]

He drew belmod again[spoiler][/spoiler]

[Miracles]

Yeah i hope toto just touches briefly on them recruiting for the tournament. SHow a flash back of goku and frieza in hell, then has the main fights in this newest chapter.

That's what I'm hoping for too.
The manga doesn't really waste time with tidbit's like that.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

I don't see Toyotaro wasting any significant amount of time on a lot of the material that felt like "filler" in the anime, but we almost certainly aren't going to be jumping into the main fights already in this chapter. The bulk of it will probably be Goku meeting with the Zeno duo, instigating the tournament, and then the summoning of the gods of the other Universes to share the details. Basically the stuff we already saw hints of in the initial Universe Survival Arc teaser.

At best, if I had to guess, he'll summarize the rest of the team recruitment and wrap up with either:
A.) Goku going to recruit 17.
B.) Goku having just finished with 17, and returning to learn Boo is asleep.
C.) Flat out ending with the suggestion that Freeza be their 10th member.

Whether we get into the actual tournament after that will probably depend on whether he devotes any time to setting up the fighters from the other Universes prior to the match. Like Toei did with Cabba, Caulifla, Kale, Briand de Chateau, Narirama, etc.



...or we could all be wrong and he'll drag things out for months, just like he did the end of the Future Trunks Arc...