"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Totamo]

Unfortunately, Toriyama is the kind of man that deliberately forgets old information he came up so that he has the brain capacity can come up with (and store) new information for developing concepts in the future stories and narratives. So I would bet my house on the "28 planets of life in the Universe" tidbit being in the manga. That's the kind of contradictory stuff that Toriyama is very guilty of producing, without taking into consideration the effect it may have on the story. I personally have no issue with it, but I would understand if somebody else would.

Is it that common? I don't think so, most of the things are either blunders or retcons that don't contradict anything like the "bad air" in Boo's body.

Anyway this 28 planets is weirdly specific. I'm going to cross my fingers it isn't in and just be sad and move on if it is.

Yes. Toriyama forgets old information to create new information.

[OLKv3]

Well Bulma is prego in this chapter, Vegeta DOES have complete SSJB for anyone wondering. Goku returns to his farming outfit. It's a slice of life chapter, Beerus training with Vegeta was awesome.

Where'd you see the Bulma prego thing? Message please

[Xeztin]

For those that haven't seen the full leaks yet it looks like this chapter is centered around Vegeta mastering blue, getting stronger and Bulmas pregnacy.

[jplaya2023]

I hope the manga covers the days leading to the TOP much better than the anime did which was a goku find everyone fest.

My hopes are (if toto stays with the original 10 members as the anime for the TOP)

1. SSJ God Ritual for Son gohan (then allow him to train and turn blue)
2. Androids 17 and Androids 18 training in the ROSAT and getting even stronger
3. Piccolo, roshi, Krilian and Tien learning Kaioken from Goku
4. Goku Vegeta and Frieza teaming up against beerus in a serious fight on his homeworld. 1 on 3.
5. Gohan (after he mastered SSJ Blue) training with the supreme kai on his planet learning his techniques and becoming a supreme kai helper so he can heal people
6. Whis giving piccolo the namek book of legends and allowing piccolo to train in his dimension to master that book and learn a new super namek form
7. Goku and Vegeta incorporating ssj2 and ssj3 into ssj blue and mastering it
8. Shen teaching everyone (Except frieza) instantaneous movement so they can never be knocked off stage and they can win easily against everyone.
9. Final part of training, everyone trains in whiz dimension learning teamwork techniques and how to function as a unit.

[Kanassa]

This is quite stupid, I mean we're getting Kale in this damn arc, why a Broly reference so soon?

Does this really count as a Broly reference? It isn't the same shot, the same looking location and Beerus isn't even doing it in the same sway as Broly.

[Lord Frieza]

Whis tricking Vegeta into fighting Beerus made me lol so hard haha. Also I didn't now he could be such a dick lol!

[emperior]

I hope the manga covers the days leading to the TOP much better than the anime did which was a goku find everyone fest.

My hopes are (if toto stays with the original 10 members as the anime for the TOP)

1. SSJ God Ritual for Son gohan (then allow him to train and turn blue)
2. Androids 17 and Androids 18 training in the ROSAT and getting even stronger
3. Piccolo, roshi, Krilian and Tien learning Kaioken from Goku
4. Goku Vegeta and Frieza teaming up against beerus in a serious fight on his homeworld. 1 on 3.
5. Gohan (after he mastered SSJ Blue) training with the supreme kai on his planet learning his techniques and becoming a supreme kai helper so he can heal people
6. Whis giving piccolo the namek book of legends and allowing piccolo to train in his dimension to master that book and learn a new super namek form
7. Goku and Vegeta incorporating ssj2 and ssj3 into ssj blue and mastering it
8. Shen teaching everyone (Except frieza) instantaneous movement so they can never be knocked off stage and they can win easily against everyone.
9. Final part of training, everyone trains in whiz dimension learning teamwork techniques and how to function as a unit.

This list is absurd. None of these happened in the anime, so they won't happen in the manga. For now it seems like the only difference is that Vegeta was training with Beerus and Whis, and that makes sense considering Vegeta is supposed to be as strong as Goku so Toyotaro had to power him up.

[Cetra]

I hate how there is really no one anymore that can draw a picture of Freeza that I like.

[jplaya2023]

I hope the manga covers the days leading to the TOP much better than the anime did which was a goku find everyone fest.

My hopes are (if toto stays with the original 10 members as the anime for the TOP)

1. SSJ God Ritual for Son gohan (then allow him to train and turn blue)
2. Androids 17 and Androids 18 training in the ROSAT and getting even stronger
3. Piccolo, roshi, Krilian and Tien learning Kaioken from Goku
4. Goku Vegeta and Frieza teaming up against beerus in a serious fight on his homeworld. 1 on 3.
5. Gohan (after he mastered SSJ Blue) training with the supreme kai on his planet learning his techniques and becoming a supreme kai helper so he can heal people
6. Whis giving piccolo the namek book of legends and allowing piccolo to train in his dimension to master that book and learn a new super namek form
7. Goku and Vegeta incorporating ssj2 and ssj3 into ssj blue and mastering it
8. Shen teaching everyone (Except frieza) instantaneous movement so they can never be knocked off stage and they can win easily against everyone.
9. Final part of training, everyone trains in whiz dimension learning teamwork techniques and how to function as a unit.

This list is absurd. None of these happened in the anime, so they won't happen in the manga. For now it seems like the only difference is that Vegeta was training with Beerus and Whis, and that makes sense considering Vegeta is supposed to be as strong as Goku so Toyotaro had to power him up.

the anime did a pretty bad job leading up to the tournament. It was basically goku go find people. If the manga is going to flush it out, i'd rather them be very detail specific and authentic. Also what part do you think is absurd? These are all very realistic things that can occur

[Cetra]

I hope the manga covers the days leading to the TOP much better than the anime did which was a goku find everyone fest.

My hopes are (if toto stays with the original 10 members as the anime for the TOP)

1. SSJ God Ritual for Son gohan (then allow him to train and turn blue)
2. Androids 17 and Androids 18 training in the ROSAT and getting even stronger
3. Piccolo, roshi, Krilian and Tien learning Kaioken from Goku
4. Goku Vegeta and Frieza teaming up against beerus in a serious fight on his homeworld. 1 on 3.
5. Gohan (after he mastered SSJ Blue) training with the supreme kai on his planet learning his techniques and becoming a supreme kai helper so he can heal people
6. Whis giving piccolo the namek book of legends and allowing piccolo to train in his dimension to master that book and learn a new super namek form
7. Goku and Vegeta incorporating ssj2 and ssj3 into ssj blue and mastering it
8. Shen teaching everyone (Except frieza) instantaneous movement so they can never be knocked off stage and they can win easily against everyone.
9. Final part of training, everyone trains in whiz dimension learning teamwork techniques and how to function as a unit.

This list is absurd. None of these happened in the anime, so they won't happen in the manga. For now it seems like the only difference is that Vegeta was training with Beerus and Whis, and that makes sense considering Vegeta is supposed to be as strong as Goku so Toyotaro had to power him up.

the anime did a pretty bad job leading up to the tournament. It was basically goku go find people. If the manga is going to flush it out, i'd rather them be very detail specific and authentic. Also what part do you think is absurd? These are all very realistic things that can occur

That looks like a christmas wish list. You should not get your hopes up. This is way too different.

[jplaya2023]

This list is absurd. None of these happened in the anime, so they won't happen in the manga. For now it seems like the only difference is that Vegeta was training with Beerus and Whis, and that makes sense considering Vegeta is supposed to be as strong as Goku so Toyotaro had to power him up.

the anime did a pretty bad job leading up to the tournament. It was basically goku go find people. If the manga is going to flush it out, i'd rather them be very detail specific and authentic. Also what part do you think is absurd? These are all very realistic things that can occur

That looks like a christmas wish list. You should not get your hopes up. This is way too different.

both anime and manga already have differences. Vegeta somehow getting ssj red in the manga is one of those differences. If you make the manga the same as the anime then what's the interest in reading it?

[Baggie_Saiyan]

The bullet thing is in, back tingles next. C'mon Toyo!

I will laugh my ass off if back tingles makes it in the manga, too. That's when you'll truly know that Toriyama doesn't think much about Super Saiyan anymore.

Why? The back tingly is not random as Kendamu said it's actually martial arts related about focusing energy or concentration in one spot or something like that.

Plus it's an actual explanation for SS that has been missing for decades.

[OLKv3]

I hope the manga covers the days leading to the TOP much better than the anime did which was a goku find everyone fest.

My hopes are (if toto stays with the original 10 members as the anime for the TOP)

1. SSJ God Ritual for Son gohan (then allow him to train and turn blue)
2. Androids 17 and Androids 18 training in the ROSAT and getting even stronger
3. Piccolo, roshi, Krilian and Tien learning Kaioken from Goku
4. Goku Vegeta and Frieza teaming up against beerus in a serious fight on his homeworld. 1 on 3.
5. Gohan (after he mastered SSJ Blue) training with the supreme kai on his planet learning his techniques and becoming a supreme kai helper so he can heal people
6. Whis giving piccolo the namek book of legends and allowing piccolo to train in his dimension to master that book and learn a new super namek form
7. Goku and Vegeta incorporating ssj2 and ssj3 into ssj blue and mastering it
8. Shen teaching everyone (Except frieza) instantaneous movement so they can never be knocked off stage and they can win easily against everyone.
9. Final part of training, everyone trains in whiz dimension learning teamwork techniques and how to function as a unit.

Have you learned nothing?

[The gr]

Of course the earthling won't train in the manga along with the androids.unless they train in the realm of kaioshin but none of them will have an amazing power up like #17 and frieza

back tingle line better be changed with focus your energy in your back

[sintzu]

[spoiler]


[/spoiler]

So Vegeta mastered SSJB as well? Awesome. Nice to know he can still keep up with Goku.

We've only gotten a few shots of the manga and its already put the anime to shame. I have no doubt that Toyotarou will make this an amazing arc and make up for the mess that Toei's made.

So Vegeta's mastered SSJB as well and still got demolished by Beerus. I'm beginning to think Goku and Vegeta won't ever catch up to this guy. It's like he becomes more and more powerful with every power-up Goku and Vegeta get.

We've never seen him fight seriously so I wouldn't be surprised if he can beat Vegetto as well.

[LowRyder2005]

I hope the manga covers the days leading to the TOP much better than the anime did which was a goku find everyone fest.

My hopes are (if toto stays with the original 10 members as the anime for the TOP)

1. SSJ God Ritual for Son gohan (then allow him to train and turn blue)
2. Androids 17 and Androids 18 training in the ROSAT and getting even stronger
3. Piccolo, roshi, Krilian and Tien learning Kaioken from Goku
4. Goku Vegeta and Frieza teaming up against beerus in a serious fight on his homeworld. 1 on 3.
5. Gohan (after he mastered SSJ Blue) training with the supreme kai on his planet learning his techniques and becoming a supreme kai helper so he can heal people
6. Whis giving piccolo the namek book of legends and allowing piccolo to train in his dimension to master that book and learn a new super namek form
7. Goku and Vegeta incorporating ssj2 and ssj3 into ssj blue and mastering it
8. Shen teaching everyone (Except frieza) instantaneous movement so they can never be knocked off stage and they can win easily against everyone.
9. Final part of training, everyone trains in whiz dimension learning teamwork techniques and how to function as a unit.

This list is absurd. None of these happened in the anime, so they won't happen in the manga. For now it seems like the only difference is that Vegeta was training with Beerus and Whis, and that makes sense considering Vegeta is supposed to be as strong as Goku so Toyotaro had to power him up.

the anime did a pretty bad job leading up to the tournament. It was basically goku go find people. If the manga is going to flush it out, i'd rather them be very detail specific and authentic. Also what part do you think is absurd? These are all very realistic things that can occur

Sorry to add my comment to the pile and burst your bubble, it's as realistic than your average guy stating "I won't set for anything less than a Sports Illustrated model for my girlfriend".

Besides, you're looking at something which isn't even remotely similar to what happened in the anime. Kaioken for the humans might feel okay-ish, but comboed "Super Saiyan God/ Blue Gohan", "Super Saiyan Blue 3", "Namekian Book of Legends"...? Everything happening in one go? You probably started it with "how they could play it" and ended it with "how I would change the architecture of every power-related notion in the manga".

[Cetra]

the anime did a pretty bad job leading up to the tournament. It was basically goku go find people. If the manga is going to flush it out, i'd rather them be very detail specific and authentic. Also what part do you think is absurd? These are all very realistic things that can occur

That looks like a christmas wish list. You should not get your hopes up. This is way too different.

both anime and manga already have differences. Vegeta somehow getting ssj red in the manga is one of those differences. If you make the manga the same as the anime then what's the interest in reading it?

The differences do not actually diverge from the really important things though.

[Lord Beerus]

back tingle line better be changed with focus your energy in your back

It's basically the same thing. Just focus you energy into one specific part of your body. It just happens the sensation that is created while it's happening makes it feel as though your back is tingling.

The bullet thing is in, back tingles next. C'mon Toyo!

I will laugh my ass off if back tingles makes it in the manga, too. That's when you'll truly know that Toriyama doesn't think much about Super Saiyan anymore.

Why? The back tingly is not random as Kendamu said it's actually martial arts related about focusing energy or concentration in one spot or something like that.

Plus it's an actual explanation for SS that has been missing for decades.

We already got an explanation for SSJ. The new explanation provided by Cabba is just basically a huge and convenient shortcut.

[Noah]

Does this really count as a Broly reference? It isn't the same shot, the same looking location and Beerus isn't even doing it in the same sway as Broly.

Smashing Vegeta's head to spot forming a crater and knocking the SSJ/SSJB out of him? Smells like Broly and we're talking about Toyotaro well-known for his inability of concluding a chapter without homages.

[Lord Beerus]

Unfortunately, Toriyama is the kind of man that deliberately forgets old information he came up so that he has the brain capacity can come up with (and store) new information for developing concepts in the future stories and narratives. So I would bet my house on the "28 planets of life in the Universe" tidbit being in the manga. That's the kind of contradictory stuff that Toriyama is very guilty of producing, without taking into consideration the effect it may have on the story. I personally have no issue with it, but I would understand if somebody else would.

Is it that common? I don't think so, most of the things are either blunders or retcons that don't contradict anything like the "bad air" in Boo's body.

Anyway this 28 planets is weirdly specific. I'm going to cross my fingers it isn't in and just be sad and move on if it is.

Yes. Toriyama forgets old information to create new information.

Yep. Hell, it's in my signature:

My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.