Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[Zephyr]

Wouldn't they see the millions of Freeza's men in the air? Also wouldn't they sense other ki besides z warrior ki.

Well they might be picking up chicks in a location where Freeza's goons didn't go. But as for them sensing other peoples' ki, yeah that'd be problematic. Hence the initial solution I went with, which is that they are helping out despite Bulma's actions, off screen.

[Dyno]

I really hope there is more than "Son Goten, Trunks, stay there you two". Because the only way Son Goten and Trunks wouldn't notice anything is if they enter the "RoSAT" (or whatever is called in English). And I don't think that is the case.

[TheGmGoken]

Wouldn't they see the millions of Freeza's men in the air? Also wouldn't they sense other ki besides z warrior ki.

Well they might be picking up chicks in a location where Freeza's goons didn't go. But as for them sensing other peoples' ki, yeah that'd be problematic. Hence the initial solution I went with, which is that they are helping out despite Bulma's actions, off screen.

They would still sense EVIL ki and earthlings dying. That's fucked up if they ignore it.

[SSJGFrieza]

Sorry if this has been already brought up, but here's Toriyama's original art of Golden Freeza:



http://vjump.shueisha.co.jp/news/n01_20150317_01.html

Too bad it's so small i'd love to know what it says about Golden Freeza.

No Ultimate Gohan because he's a lazy ass who never trains, figured since he transformed into it in BoG that it wasn't a permanent state. Couldn't care less about no Goten and Trunks, they're boring and Gotenks is awful.

And Earth being blown up in the trailer and now we find out about Whis' ability? No coincidence i'm sure.

[KaiserNeko]

Again... I wonder if the movie is going to have a scene describing exactly why Goten and Trunks were not involved. The manga, as I said before, obviously is cutting scenes, dialogue, etc. Perhaps nobody thought Freeza would be as strong as he is? Maybe Gohan and Bulma decided that they'd go overkill and told them to just chill for the time being, but once they arrived, they find that Freeza isn't just stronger now, but so remarkably strong that the involvement of Trunks and Goten would be of no use anyway. All they sense is Freeza's Ki, not that he's 100 times stronger than before. That makes absolute, perfect sense as to why they would tell Trunks and Goten not to get involved, and why they would ultimately not involve themselves later.

Also, for those who WANT Goten and Trunks: What's the point of them being there besides comic relief? They were only ever involved in one saga canonically and, um... honestly? Their antics tired quickly, at least to me. Of course, there's nothing saying they will not be in the movie, at all. I just don't quite see the necessity for them to be there besides wanting them there really, really badly.

[MagicBox]

... People are asking *whose* poop Whis stepped in. Non-ironically.

That alone should illustrate the dangers of wanting an explanation for every single thing. What have we become?

I'm normally good at disregarding public consensus and simply talking about the news as we get it. But so loud and ceaseless is the outcry against this movie that I just can't talk about anything else. Complaints are fine, but this is just... I dunno what this is. The other Dragon Ball movies should thank their lucky stars that they didn't come out during the internet generation. They'd have been torn to pieces.

The more I think about it, I'm fine with Goten and Trunks being told to stay home. ChiChi allowing Gohan to fight the Artificial Humans was a one-time thing. It'd be weird for these characters to be saying "Okay, whose battle power is currently at its highest?" No, they're not thinking about that. The adults are going to go investigate and the kids are going to be told to stay home. It makes perfect sense.

What happens after that (and whether or not the kids decide to stay put) is still uncertain.

[dbzfan7]

Again... I wonder if the movie is going to have a scene describing exactly why Goten and Trunks were not involved. The manga, as I said before, obviously is cutting scenes, dialogue, etc. Perhaps nobody thought Freeza would be as strong as he is? Maybe Gohan and Bulma decided that they'd go overkill and told them to just chill for the time being, but once they arrived, they find that Freeza isn't just stronger now, but so remarkably strong that the involvement of Trunks and Goten would be of no use anyway. All they sense is Freeza's Ki, not that he's 100 times stronger than before. That makes absolute, perfect sense as to why they would tell Trunks and Goten not to get involved, and why they would ultimately not involve themselves later.

Also, for those who WANT Goten and Trunks: What's the point of them being there besides comic relief? They were only ever involved in one saga canonically and, um... honestly? Their antics tired quickly, at least to me. Of course, there's nothing saying they will not be in the movie, at all. I just don't quite see the necessity for them to be there besides wanting them there really, really badly.

From a logical standpoint, these guys need all the help they can get. The trouble seems to be they are outnumbered (Call bullshit on these mooks being a threat, but that's besides the point) and could get overwhelmed. So they should be getting all the help they can get. The boys are logically more useful than half of the other fighters combined.

From a showcase standpoint it's awesome and I'm glad the humans are fighting. We don't need Goten and Trunks front and center...however I do not buy the reason we're given. A one off comment about them protecting the cities or their families as a final resort would suffice to me instead of trying to keep them clueless.

[bleed0range]

Wouldn't they see the millions of Freeza's men in the air? Also wouldn't they sense other ki besides z warrior ki.

Well they might be picking up chicks in a location where Freeza's goons didn't go. But as for them sensing other peoples' ki, yeah that'd be problematic. Hence the initial solution I went with, which is that they are helping out despite Bulma's actions, off screen.

They would still sense EVIL ki and earthlings dying. That's fucked up if they ignore it.

Unless they're asleep too and Bulma just says not to wake them and let them know what's going for their own good.

[Beerus-sama]

Again... I wonder if the movie is going to have a scene describing exactly why Goten and Trunks were not involved. The manga, as I said before, obviously is cutting scenes, dialogue, etc.

I imagine some scenes told in the manga are going to be different in the movie... maybe some short scenes will be cut out, maybe not

[KaiserNeko]

Again... I wonder if the movie is going to have a scene describing exactly why Goten and Trunks were not involved. The manga, as I said before, obviously is cutting scenes, dialogue, etc. Perhaps nobody thought Freeza would be as strong as he is? Maybe Gohan and Bulma decided that they'd go overkill and told them to just chill for the time being, but once they arrived, they find that Freeza isn't just stronger now, but so remarkably strong that the involvement of Trunks and Goten would be of no use anyway. All they sense is Freeza's Ki, not that he's 100 times stronger than before. That makes absolute, perfect sense as to why they would tell Trunks and Goten not to get involved, and why they would ultimately not involve themselves later.

Also, for those who WANT Goten and Trunks: What's the point of them being there besides comic relief? They were only ever involved in one saga canonically and, um... honestly? Their antics tired quickly, at least to me. Of course, there's nothing saying they will not be in the movie, at all. I just don't quite see the necessity for them to be there besides wanting them there really, really badly.

From a logical standpoint, these guys need all the help they can get. The trouble seems to be they are outnumbered (Call bullshit on these mooks being a threat, but that's besides the point) and could get overwhelmed. So they should be getting all the help they can get. The boys are logically more useful than half of the other fighters combined.

From a showcase standpoint it's awesome and I'm glad the humans are fighting. We don't need Goten and Trunks front and center...however I do not buy the reason we're given. A one off comment about them protecting the cities or their families as a final resort would suffice to me instead of trying to keep them clueless.

Yeah, they need help with the mooks... but did they know they'd need that help before they left? It seems to be implied that Gohan and the others showed up to quickly and discretely take care of the problem. Something tells me that things go terribly wrong once they arrive and, in fact, they likely could use Gotenks, but at that point it's too late.

[TheGmGoken]

Again... I wonder if the movie is going to have a scene describing exactly why Goten and Trunks were not involved. The manga, as I said before, obviously is cutting scenes, dialogue, etc. Perhaps nobody thought Freeza would be as strong as he is? Maybe Gohan and Bulma decided that they'd go overkill and told them to just chill for the time being, but once they arrived, they find that Freeza isn't just stronger now, but so remarkably strong that the involvement of Trunks and Goten would be of no use anyway. All they sense is Freeza's Ki, not that he's 100 times stronger than before. That makes absolute, perfect sense as to why they would tell Trunks and Goten not to get involved, and why they would ultimately not involve themselves later.

Also, for those who WANT Goten and Trunks: What's the point of them being there besides comic relief? They were only ever involved in one saga canonically and, um... honestly? Their antics tired quickly, at least to me. Of course, there's nothing saying they will not be in the movie, at all. I just don't quite see the necessity for them to be there besides wanting them there really, really badly.

Can't they sense Freeza's army approaching? I'm sure two extra hands can't help. Also what's the purpose of Pilfar Gang being in the movie? Comic Relief correct? For all we know their personality could be same but different. And your opinion that it's"old" act . The duo is fucking awesome. And yes they was introduced in the final arc. So what? Beerus and Whis wasn't even in an arc and Beerus grew stale after 25 minutes. What's the purpose of Rosin again? You said nostalgia? Every DB character is nostalgic these days. Goten and Trunks in your opinion shouldn't be in the movie...because....? You don't like them or..what! Sounds like you just say toss them aside and pretend they're not there when they actually are. Sorta like that episode of Sponge Bob when everyone ignored the Sponge.

Unless they're asleep too and Bulma just says not to wake them and let them know what's going for their own good.

If Vegeta woke up from sensing Freeza. I'm sure the kids would wake up for sense Freeza new power.

[Gold_Jacobson]

... People are asking *whose* poop Whis stepped in. Non-ironically.

That alone should illustrate the dangers of wanting an explanation for every single thing. What have we become?

and "Why did he step in the poop?"

Idiocracy

[bleed0range]

Again... I wonder if the movie is going to have a scene describing exactly why Goten and Trunks were not involved. The manga, as I said before, obviously is cutting scenes, dialogue, etc. Perhaps nobody thought Freeza would be as strong as he is? Maybe Gohan and Bulma decided that they'd go overkill and told them to just chill for the time being, but once they arrived, they find that Freeza isn't just stronger now, but so remarkably strong that the involvement of Trunks and Goten would be of no use anyway. All they sense is Freeza's Ki, not that he's 100 times stronger than before. That makes absolute, perfect sense as to why they would tell Trunks and Goten not to get involved, and why they would ultimately not involve themselves later.

Also, for those who WANT Goten and Trunks: What's the point of them being there besides comic relief? They were only ever involved in one saga canonically and, um... honestly? Their antics tired quickly, at least to me. Of course, there's nothing saying they will not be in the movie, at all. I just don't quite see the necessity for them to be there besides wanting them there really, really badly.

There is no necessity for them to be in the movie. Especially since some people seem okay with them being in the movie doing the exact same ol schtick they've done before. It seems to me that some people just want this film to be exactly how they imagined it in their minds and are having trouble accepting anything that deviates from that... even if it might be just as good or better. It's why I am confused by some people excited by the aspect of things like SSJ3 Vegetto when there's nothing inherently interesting about seeing Vegetto AGAIN just to see him go SSJ3 which is just more of the same but with longer hair. They just want more of the same. But if they got it they'd want it to be different (which is why there are people upset Freeza is returning). They'd say give me new stuff! But then you find out Jaco is in it and they don't want that even though it might be good. But then they also don't want it to be all super saiyans... but then they're upset if Goku and Vegeta don't go SSJ. But of course they want the humans to fight... but if giving them more screen time means Gotenks can't go SSJ3 then no.

I am pretty open minded to anything. I'm not against Gotenks being there, but I don't think he needs to be either.

[TheBritWriter]

Honestly watching from the sidelines the sudden hate for this makes me wonder at times if some here were even fans of the show, there are reasonable comments (eg: Why is Buu written off as just sleeping) which is valid but the comments like 'Toriyama can't remember what he's writing he should resign, there needs to be a proper editor' and worse, are frankly insulting and uncalled for, the guy has worked hard to create a series with his ideas, and despite some rectons here and there it's still a solid piece of continuity (Even the Bruce Timm universe of batman, Superman and JL wasn't perfect, they rectoned Batman midway series in animation and switch batman from 40's era to modern day) There will always be changes in whatever form. Judging how popular the last movie was received and expectations this will do even better, it's refreshing to see DBZ making strides instead of getting medicore interest like GT.

People are jumping onto snippets of information and trailer, just like with BoG had people assume that whis would be vegeta's opponent and that Goku will beat Beerus, and that Tarble wouldn't be mentioned because he wasn't in a trailer.

Trunks, Goten may not appear, the magna chapters released right now, are just condensed plot points they can squeeze in, so there is more to it then that, I would think Trunks and Goten not in would be odd given Freeza wants revenge and young Mai is still in this (and the last movie had a connection made between them)

Ultimately there are a lot of characters and POV's to cover, we have sorbet kicking off the quest for the dragon balls,
Freeza in hell with angels and hells angels babies (they are wearing motorbike helmets!) Pilaf and gang helping Sorbet and Togama.
Gohan with Videl meeting with Piccolo
Frieza escapes
Possible flashbacks with his dad
Kills Togama (apparently as there is talk of him surviving) which brings to the below.
Jaco, may have a hand in that.
The four months of Freeza training

And all that may cover 15-20 mins maybe but that is still a lot more then what happened at the start of BoG where a good part of it was following Beerus and Whis, so there is a lot involved in this movie so something will have to be dropped.

Gotenks may be in chapter 3 or not at all but regardless of how many heroes are picked in for this fight, there is only so much you can show of each character till it becomes an endless stream of punching bags. In-universe what can Yamcha even do, he pretty much given up training and had a taste for clothing and fancy cars since and Chazou only meaningful contribution in Z was to give someone a goodbye hug, and even that didn't turn out as planned!

I don't see anything bad with this movie, it has action (something a lot of people apparently wanted more of) and more of the gang involved. It's just there is too many to be in it all, and even if they were in, it would only be a moment's worth of action, there be no written dialogue.

I would say Buu not waking up is not the best excuse, who knows maybe they tried nuking him to get up but nothing happens. Other then that am happy to see this film come soon to release.

[bleed0range]

If Vegeta woke up from sensing Freeza. I'm sure the kids would wake up for sense Freeza new power.

They don't know who Freeza is really. Vegeta knows Freeza and his ki very well, enough that it could startle him.

[dbzfan7]

Again... I wonder if the movie is going to have a scene describing exactly why Goten and Trunks were not involved. The manga, as I said before, obviously is cutting scenes, dialogue, etc. Perhaps nobody thought Freeza would be as strong as he is? Maybe Gohan and Bulma decided that they'd go overkill and told them to just chill for the time being, but once they arrived, they find that Freeza isn't just stronger now, but so remarkably strong that the involvement of Trunks and Goten would be of no use anyway. All they sense is Freeza's Ki, not that he's 100 times stronger than before. That makes absolute, perfect sense as to why they would tell Trunks and Goten not to get involved, and why they would ultimately not involve themselves later.

Also, for those who WANT Goten and Trunks: What's the point of them being there besides comic relief? They were only ever involved in one saga canonically and, um... honestly? Their antics tired quickly, at least to me. Of course, there's nothing saying they will not be in the movie, at all. I just don't quite see the necessity for them to be there besides wanting them there really, really badly.

From a logical standpoint, these guys need all the help they can get. The trouble seems to be they are outnumbered (Call bullshit on these mooks being a threat, but that's besides the point) and could get overwhelmed. So they should be getting all the help they can get. The boys are logically more useful than half of the other fighters combined.

From a showcase standpoint it's awesome and I'm glad the humans are fighting. We don't need Goten and Trunks front and center...however I do not buy the reason we're given. A one off comment about them protecting the cities or their families as a final resort would suffice to me instead of trying to keep them clueless.

Yeah, they need help with the mooks... but did they know they'd need that help before they left? It seems to be implied that Gohan and the others showed up to quickly and discretely take care of the problem. Something tells me that things go terribly wrong once they arrive and, in fact, they likely could use Gotenks, but at that point it's too late.

Yeah but considering the average soldier of Freeza's army is significantly higher than humans, I think they could sense something up. That and if they sense their friends and families powers dropping, they'd notice that for sure. I don't really think they shouldn't be telling the boys anything as everyone is trying to protect the world. It's more detrimental to not get their help, than pass on them coming along. I guess Bulma just doesn't want her son getting hurt which is understandable, but the rest of the team should at least mention something like that.

That and even Tarble's power was noticable to everyone. So someone like Freeza, would instantly alert them that a large evil ki has arrived.

[KaiserNeko]

Can't they sense Freeza's army approaching? I'm sure two extra hands can't help. Also what's the purpose of Pilfar Gang being in the movie? Comic Relief correct? For all we know their personality could be same but different. And your opinion that it's"old" act . The duo is fucking awesome. And yes they was introduced in the final arc. So what? Beerus and Whis wasn't even in an arc and Beerus grew stale after 25 minutes. What's the purpose of Rosin again? You said nostalgia? Every DB character is nostalgic these days. Goten and Trunks in your opinion shouldn't be in the movie...because....? You don't like them or..what! Sounds like you just say toss them aside and pretend they're not there when they actually are. Sorta like that episode of Sponge Bob when everyone ignored the Sponge.

Even if they do sense the army, I don't think they believe it's that big of a deal. Remember, one of the big sticking points in this thread has been about how those numbers shouldn't matter considering the huge power gap, but something happens that ends up with the heroes overwhelmed. I think a big problem for the gang is that they completely underestimate Freeza's new strength, as well as the strength of this army.

As far as Beerus and Whis growing stale... eh, popular opinion swings opposite on that one, but I won't argue that point personally. If you didn't like those characters, that's fine. Personally, I love them both, and am happy to see them return. Goten and Trunks are cute, but I personally just don't see them adding much to the movie. Also not sure exactly why you even bring up the Pilaf gang, as they're apparently barely in the movie past that small scene where they begrudgingly aiding in Freeza's revival.

Roshi is unbelievably nostalgic. We haven't seen buff Roshi in action since early Dragonball. This is kind of awesome, I think.

Lastly, I never said they shouldn't be in the movie. I just don't particularly see why they need to be.

[dbzfan7]

Lastly, I never said they shouldn't be in the movie. I just don't particularly see why they need to be.

I totally agree they don't need to be in the movie, but the reason I'm seeing so far isn't a good one to me. They could be written off as hanging back to protect their families if the cities are attacked, and I'd believe that's why they didn't show up to the front lines. Maybe everyone is worried some of the mooks will slip past them and cause harm to people. Now Goten and Trunks have an off screen mentioned job of protecting their families, but aren't just clueless somehow.

[Lord Beerus]

Who would have thought that the exclusion of two characters from a DBZ movie would create such a stir.

[KaiserNeko]

Yeah but considering the average soldier of Freeza's army is significantly higher than humans, I think they could sense something up. That and if they sense their friends and families powers dropping, they'd notice that for sure. I don't really think they shouldn't be telling the boys anything as everyone is trying to protect the world. It's more detrimental to not get their help, than pass on them coming along. I guess Bulma just doesn't want her son getting hurt which is understandable, but the rest of the team should at least mention something like that.

That and even Tarble's power was noticable to everyone. So someone like Freeza, would instantly alert them that a large evil ki has arrived.

I can't help but feel there's something wrong with that translation. I just cannot believe they didn't even bother telling Goten and Trunks to stay back. Of course they must be able to sense that energy. Again, why I don't like making assumptions based off the manga. It's excluding a lot of details.