"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[OLKv3]

Poor Vegeta

[Noah]

Yet again, power levels in the manga are perfectly fine, unlike the completely mess the anime is. I repeat, it's fantastic.

So you forgot about SSJ2 Vegeta vs. SSJ Black? How amusing

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Poor Vegeta

As much as I love these strips, the fight wasn't exactly like that

I bet 17 will match SSG Goku in the manga

As a matter of fact didn't Toshio said that 17 battle power was Toriyama idea?

[Basako]

Toyotaro as good as always in the fights, manga debut of Vegeta vs Beerus and a bit of training with Whis. The power levels are fine, as Goku in SSG made a decent fight against Beerus, Vegeta gets to Hit him in the face in MSSB. Beerus pissed off stomps him against the floor.

Goku as a farmer and a little fight, whatever. Then Bulma pregnant, Goku calls Vegeta so he goes straight to Earth. I think this will be why he is not going to the exhibition matches too, but we'll see. Then Goku goes to see the gods and disobeying Beerus, like the anime. Next chapter the tournament rules, possibly recruiting Gohan and Boo and the presentation of the gods in the manga.

Not only Toyo isn't rushing anything, he had also this Vegeta training and him catching up with Goku. Expect a good and long lasting Manga US arc.

[Basako]

I bet 17 will match SSG Goku in the manga

As a matter of fact didn't Toshio said that 17 battle power was Toriyama idea?

He said 17 is equal to ultimate Gohan too, I think the manga will be around that. But maybe more, Toyotaro drew 17 and Freeza beside Goku, instead of usual Vegeta and Gohan. This is not prove of anything, but it's a very good position.

[Miracles]

So you forgot about SSJ2 Vegeta vs. SSJ Black? How amusing

SSJ2 Vegeta > Goku Black > SSJ3 Goku =Full power Super Saiyajin 2 Trunks.
Stated facts.

[superfan2024]

So you forgot about SSJ2 Vegeta vs. SSJ Black? How amusing

SSJ2 Vegeta > Goku Black > SSJ3 Goku =Full power Super Saiyajin 2 Trunks.
Stated facts.

More like:

SSJ2 Vegeta > Goku Black > Full power Super Saiyajin 2 Trunks > SSJ3 Goku.

[Rhuagh]

If you take a closer look at the aura from Goku's new form, you will see blue floaty bits quite like the manga version of Super Saiyajin Blue's aura, but smaller. I wonder if Toriyama liked Toyo's design and decided to add this to the form, or even did it because of Toyotaro's input.

[DHM211]

Here I though Toyotaro was going to summarize episodes 77 - 95 in this chapter, yet he didn't even manage to cram episode 77 into it . Looks like this arc will drag out for a while.

[Duo]

Here I though Toyotaro was going to summarize episodes 77 - 95 in this chapter, yet he didn't even manage to cram episode 77 into it . Looks like this arc will drag out for a while.

I don't think anybody realistically thought the material involving Bra and the tournament getting initiated by Goku would be considerably abridged compared to the anime, as much as it would be very surprising to see a chapter going into detail about #17 fighting space poachers.

[micah007]

I think the fight choreography could use just a bit more variety. Toyo himself admitted he thinks fights are a weaker aspect of his when drawing, but he's improving. I am starting to see re-used angles and "generic" attacks more than I'd like to see in my opinion but nothing that ruins the experience for me.

[jplaya2023]

so rage vegeta did better against beerus than mssb vegeta. smh what a crazyness man wow.

[Basako]

so rage vegeta did better against beerus than mssb vegeta. smh what a crazyness man wow.

No way, man. Vegeta is clearly closer to Beerus now, the god is totally putting some effort, but still holding back, like against SSG Goku. I think the rage moment took Beerus by surprise, that's all.

I don't think anybody thought Vegeta was like in SSG level then, I don't see why that would change for you now. Beerus is stronger than MSSB, only Vegetto blue was suggested to be stronger.

I think the fight choreography could use just a bit more variety. Toyo himself admitted he thinks fights are a weaker aspect of his when drawing, but he's improving. I am starting to see re-used angles and "generic" attacks more than I'd like to see in my opinion but nothing that ruins the experience for me.

When did Toyotaro say that? Just curious, because I think the fights are his high points.

And, really, the next thing will be saying he is repeating the Kamehameha pose. This panel comparing has gone crazy, like Vegeta defending from a punch is supposed to be a unique thing now. That is not a pose, that's Vegeta defending from a punch or him attacking whatever. He doesn't even recicle panels, something Toriyama admited he did, what to say about Toei recently. Which is fine, it's not like too much. And fights are not single panels, they are a series of them which are not independent to each other. Beerus like a helicopter move looks great, that's totally new, but fighting with the fists and legs, expect that to happen always, as generic as it is. There will always be similar positions, they are just fighting positions, like they always were.

[TheOne]

It seems the manga has things figured out power wise with Vegeta and Goku. There's still the power rivalry with Vegeta just barely behind (or on par?) Goku. They also make it very transparent that goku and Vegeta are still well behind Beerus in power. Which should shut up debates about where they stand.

I read somewhere that since the manga is going to be ahead of the anime soon, the anime will have to start following the mangas lead. Is that true? If so I think that could make the flow of the series better in the anime.

[OLKv3]

If you take a closer look at the aura from Goku's new form, you will see blue floaty bits quite like the manga version of Super Saiyajin Blue's aura, but smaller. I wonder if Toriyama liked Toyo's design and decided to add this to the form, or even did it because of Toyotaro's input.

Well the manga version is based off of his initial transformation in RoF, which had the floaty bits when the aura broke

[micah007]

And, really, the next thing will be saying he is repeating the Kamehameha pose. This panel comparing has gone crazy, like Vegeta defending from a punch is supposed to be a unique thing now. That is not a pose, that's Vegeta defending from a punch or him attacking whatever. He doesn't even recicle panels, something Toriyama admited he did, what to say about Toei recently. Which is fine, it's not like too much. And fights are not single panels, they are a series of them which are not independent to each other. Beerus like a helicopter move looks great, that's totally new, but fighting with the fists and legs, expect that to happen always, as generic as it is. There will always be similar positions, they are just fighting positions, like they always were.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ti89i2E ... e=youtu.be

Skip to 4:50

I'm not saying he needs a new variation of throwing a punch every fight but in this chapter in particular a few moves and transitions are from previous fights. The reason they bother me a bit is because they are almost pose for pose, now whether that is due to this fight being a callback of sorts to Goku vs Beerus I'm not sure, but I think it would have been better to change up a few moves here and there. Again the choreography is good (especially this chapter) but I think it can be a bit more unique if he changes angles and perspective more often. I didn't think we needed to see the same "rising up through the air, quick punches exchange" again I do agree the panel comparing is getting out of hand, and somewhat ruins the experience for people when they are reading and can't help but look for similarities.

[Basako]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ti89i2E ... e=youtu.be

Skip to 4:50

I'm not saying he needs a new variation of throwing a punch every fight but in this chapter in particular a few moves and transitions are from previous fights. The reason they bother me a bit is because they are almost pose for pose, now whether that is due to this fight being a callback of sorts to Goku vs Beerus I'm not sure, but I think it would have been better to change up a few moves here and there. Again the choreography is good (especially this chapter) but I think it can be a bit more unique if he changes angles and perspective more often. I didn't think we needed to see the same "rising up through the air, quick punches exchange" again I do agree the panel comparing is getting out of hand, and somewhat ruins the experience for people when they are reading and can't help but look for similarities.

Ok, he was asked what is the most difficult thing for him to draw and he said the mecha things and the fights. It's not exactly the same than saying the fights are his weakest points. It shouldn't be a surprise that fights are more difficult to draw than any other scene.

I think Toyotaro provides a good variety of angles every chapter, I don't see the issue here, really. Some positions, not poses in this case, are similar to the past and some ideas are totally new, like the helicopter thing. I think people are seeking to have an issue with anything and that's all they got, but it's really nothing. The chapter is good, Vegeta against Beerus is a good thing to see again and I'm happy he'll have the mastered SSB for the tournament.

[Miracles]

So you forgot about SSJ2 Vegeta vs. SSJ Black? How amusing

SSJ2 Vegeta > Goku Black > SSJ3 Goku =Full power Super Saiyajin 2 Trunks.
Stated facts.

More like:

SSJ2 Vegeta > Goku Black > Full power Super Saiyajin 2 Trunks > SSJ3 Goku.

Well, Vegeta stated that Trunks was "powered up nearly the same amount as Super Saiyajin 3."
Technically, we were both wrong.

[sintzu]

Finally got a Vegeta vs Beerus fight and it was amazing. I liked how Vegeta made Beerus put some effort in and even managed to hit him. He's clearly very far from his level but it's a start.

What a great way to start this arc and if this is glimps at what we'll get later then this'll be an amazing arc.

[Hawk9211]

Hoping we will get some actual new moves.

[Zamasu55]

Yet again, power levels in the manga are perfectly fine, unlike the completely mess the anime is. I repeat, it's fantastic.

So you forgot about SSJ2 Vegeta vs. SSJ Black? How amusing

I didn't forget at all.
Ssj2 Vegeta was always stronger than Ssj3 Goku, since BOG.