The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Dyno]

Groudon vs Hirudegarn.

[fadeddreams5]

Comic Sonic and Anime Mewtwo are not what the SSB incarnations are based from. >.>

Also, this form of Sonic will defeat Tao in a jousting match:
https://youtu.be/at9o6zWV33w?list=UUtym ... UYILMakdqw

[Lord Beerus]

Groudon vs Hirudegarn.

Hirudegarn stomps Groudon. Literally.

[Dyno]

So what about...

Primal Groudon vs Wheelo.

[fadeddreams5]

Legendary Super Saiyan 4 Broly vs Evil Bardock

Hirudegarn's lower half vs. 100% Frieza sliced in half (w/ Goku's energy)

Hirudegarn (final form) vs Golden Oozaru Baby

[Kamiccolo9]

Legendary Super Saiyan 4 Broly vs Evil Bardock

Hirudegarn's lower half vs. 100% Freeza sliced in half (w/ Goku's energy)

Hirudegarn vs Golden Oozaru Baby

Evil Bardock is a bit of electricity in an arcade machine, so Broly just plays until the batteries run out.
Hirudegarn literally stomps.
Baby was somewhat comparable to SSJ4 Goku. Hirudegarn got killed by SSJ3 Goku.

[fadeddreams5]

Baby was somewhat comparable to SSJ4 Goku. Hirudegarn got killed by SSJ3 Goku.

Baby seems kind of dumb and slow (literally) though. Would he even figure out Hirudegarn's weakness? O_o

[Kamiccolo9]

Baby was somewhat comparable to SSJ4 Goku. Hirudegarn got killed by SSJ3 Goku.

Baby seems kind of dumb and slow (literally) though. Would he even figure out Hirudegarn's weakness? O_o

Why would he need to? What's Hirudegarn going to do to him?

[Helios518]

Legendary Super Saiyan 4 Broly vs Evil Bardock

Hirudegarn's lower half vs. 100% Freeza sliced in half (w/ Goku's energy)

Hirudegarn (final form) vs Golden Oozaru Baby

Broly plays with Bardock like if he's an action figure
Hirudegarn accidentally steps on Frieza
Baby blast Hirudegarn away

[fadeddreams5]

Baby was somewhat comparable to SSJ4 Goku. Hirudegarn got killed by SSJ3 Goku.

Baby seems kind of dumb and slow (literally) though. Would he even figure out Hirudegarn's weakness? O_o

Why would he need to? What's Hirudegarn going to do to him?

What is Baby gonna do to him? He'll just keep turning to smoke. D=

[Kamiccolo9]

What is Baby gonna do to him? He'll just keep turning to smoke. D=

Blow the smoke into the sun.

[Lord Beerus]

Primal Groudon vs Wheelo.

I'll give this to Primal Groudon

Legendary Super Saiyan 4 Broly vs Evil Bardock

Hirudegarn's lower half vs. 100% Freeza sliced in half (w/ Goku's energy)

Hirudegarn (final form) vs Golden Oozaru Baby

- Broly wrecks Bardock
- Hirudegarn still crushes Freeza
- Golden Oozaru Baby stomps

[dbzfan7]

With Mewtwo we have someone who I'm not so sure about. He's actually very fast and could keep up with some people, but his psychic and mind control is tougher to figure out. By Dragon Ball logic someone really strong can overcome a psychic grip. Mind control though is all over the place. Could Mewtwo mind control other legendary pokemon? Demigra was the last mind controller, but he's obscenely powerful already rather than someone weaker controlling people who are stronger.

I don't know enough about Sonic, so go with your gut there.

I mean, I'd place Mewtwo as definitely being more powerful than Babidi, and Babidi was capable of controlling Dabura. Mewtwo can also wipe memories, so nothing's keeping him from just leaving his opponent a blank slate. The only other legendary that I know of who ever fought Mewtwo was Mew, and their fight consisted of just attacking each other, possibly because their mental assaults wouldn't have worked on each other, being relatively equal.

A while back, I made a post comparing the EU Jedi to the DB fighters. The DB fighters have tons more destructive power, but the Jedi skillset renders all of that power useless against a guy who can make you think you're a 2 year old girl with a thought. Mewtwo's in the same boat. Dragon Ball is just not equipped to deal with psychics.

Well that kinda depends really. Can't say much about EU Jedi, but Mewtwo himself I'm not sure how he compares to Babidi. He's more powerful physically, but mentally is another story. Babidi at least shows experience controlling people much stronger than him through evil hearts. Mewtwo himself does things differently. I'd need to see him mindwipe or control someone more powerful than him, before I know he can do that to others. It's easier to mind control lesser beings, but superior ones is where the question comes in. Babidi can't mind control a weaker being than him if they're good. His mind control is not compatible with everything like Mewtwo's probably is, as Mewtwo doesn't have a specific limiter we know of. Only other mind controller we know of is Demigra who could mind control several people weaker than him, but could not touch the gods. He supposedly could mind control your character who I think is stronger than him, or at least close to his level.

[Kamiccolo9]

Well that kinda depends really. Can't say much about EU Jedi, but Mewtwo himself I'm not sure how he compares to Babidi. He's more powerful physically, but mentally is another story. Babidi at least shows experience controlling people much stronger than him through evil hearts. Mewtwo himself does things differently. I'd need to see him mindwipe or control someone more powerful than him, before I know he can do that to others. It's easier to mind control lesser beings, but superior ones is where the question comes in. Babidi can't mind control a weaker being than him if they're good. His mind control is not compatible with everything like Mewtwo's probably is, as Mewtwo doesn't have a specific limiter we know of. Only other mind controller we know of is Demigra who could mind control several people weaker than him, but could not touch the gods. He supposedly could mind control your character who I think is stronger than him, or at least close to his level.

Physical strength shouldn't really matter. I mean, I can't think of any examples of mental powers being overpowered by sheer strength in any franchise. Like, the Juggernaut in Marvel is virtually immune to physical attacks, but without protection, he's vulnerable to even the most basic psychic attacks. I see no reason for Dragon Ball to be any different unless it shows itself to be.

[dbzfan7]

Well that kinda depends really. Can't say much about EU Jedi, but Mewtwo himself I'm not sure how he compares to Babidi. He's more powerful physically, but mentally is another story. Babidi at least shows experience controlling people much stronger than him through evil hearts. Mewtwo himself does things differently. I'd need to see him mindwipe or control someone more powerful than him, before I know he can do that to others. It's easier to mind control lesser beings, but superior ones is where the question comes in. Babidi can't mind control a weaker being than him if they're good. His mind control is not compatible with everything like Mewtwo's probably is, as Mewtwo doesn't have a specific limiter we know of. Only other mind controller we know of is Demigra who could mind control several people weaker than him, but could not touch the gods. He supposedly could mind control your character who I think is stronger than him, or at least close to his level.

Physical strength shouldn't really matter. I mean, I can't think of any examples of mental powers being overpowered by sheer strength in any franchise. Like, the Juggernaut in Marvel is virtually immune to physical attacks, but without protection, he's vulnerable to even the most basic psychic attacks. I see no reason for Dragon Ball to be any different unless it shows itself to be.

Well we've seen Vegeta pretty much shrug off mind control from Babidi, though he had his body controlled by Baby. Honestly I can't see Mewtwo just walking up to Groudon, Kyogre, Moltres, Zapdos, or any of them, and then just mind fucking them. If he could then all his battles would end with a simple mind wipe.

[Kamiccolo9]

Well that kinda depends really. Can't say much about EU Jedi, but Mewtwo himself I'm not sure how he compares to Babidi. He's more powerful physically, but mentally is another story. Babidi at least shows experience controlling people much stronger than him through evil hearts. Mewtwo himself does things differently. I'd need to see him mindwipe or control someone more powerful than him, before I know he can do that to others. It's easier to mind control lesser beings, but superior ones is where the question comes in. Babidi can't mind control a weaker being than him if they're good. His mind control is not compatible with everything like Mewtwo's probably is, as Mewtwo doesn't have a specific limiter we know of. Only other mind controller we know of is Demigra who could mind control several people weaker than him, but could not touch the gods. He supposedly could mind control your character who I think is stronger than him, or at least close to his level.

Physical strength shouldn't really matter. I mean, I can't think of any examples of mental powers being overpowered by sheer strength in any franchise. Like, the Juggernaut in Marvel is virtually immune to physical attacks, but without protection, he's vulnerable to even the most basic psychic attacks. I see no reason for Dragon Ball to be any different unless it shows itself to be.

Well we've seen Vegeta pretty much shrug off mind control from Babidi, though he had his body controlled by Baby. Honestly I can't see Mewtwo just walking up to Groudon, Kyogre, Moltres, Zapdos, or any of them, and then just mind fucking them. If he could then all his battles would end with a simple mind wipe.

Babidi's was based on the evil within someone else, though, not via mental ability. Anime legendary birds aren't that big of a deal; Mewtwo would crush any of them. Anime Groudon and Kyogre were depicted as more or less mindless, if I recall correctly, but I don't see why Mewtwo couldn't if they weren't.

And it's not like easily abusable one-shotting skills being overlooked is limited to Pokemon, after all.

[dbzfan7]

Babidi's was based on the evil within someone else, though, not via mental ability. Anime legendary birds aren't that big of a deal; Mewtwo would crush any of them. Anime Groudon and Kyogre were depicted as more or less mindless, if I recall correctly, but I don't see why Mewtwo couldn't if they weren't.

And it's not like easily abusable one-shotting skills being overlooked is limited to Pokemon, after all.

Well Sheer Cold and Fissure are one hit ko moves in game, but I doubt they can KO literally anything in existence. I dunno I personally can't see Mewtwo just walking up to Beerus and going mindwipe or whatever.

[Kamiccolo9]

Babidi's was based on the evil within someone else, though, not via mental ability. Anime legendary birds aren't that big of a deal; Mewtwo would crush any of them. Anime Groudon and Kyogre were depicted as more or less mindless, if I recall correctly, but I don't see why Mewtwo couldn't if they weren't.

And it's not like easily abusable one-shotting skills being overlooked is limited to Pokemon, after all.

Well Sheer Cold and Fissure are one hit ko moves in game, but I doubt they can KO literally anything in existence. I dunno I personally can't see Mewtwo just walking up to Beerus and going mindwipe or whatever.

Yeah, but we're talking about the anime, not the games.

You keep bringing up how they could just keep spamming SSJG until everybody masters it like Goku did, but that's never gonna happen. Same with Mewtwo.

I wouldn't have a problem if they came out and said that DB character's strength lets them fight off mind control, but until they do, I see no reason to treat them any differently than any other fictional universe.

[dbzfan7]

Babidi's was based on the evil within someone else, though, not via mental ability. Anime legendary birds aren't that big of a deal; Mewtwo would crush any of them. Anime Groudon and Kyogre were depicted as more or less mindless, if I recall correctly, but I don't see why Mewtwo couldn't if they weren't.

And it's not like easily abusable one-shotting skills being overlooked is limited to Pokemon, after all.

Well Sheer Cold and Fissure are one hit ko moves in game, but I doubt they can KO literally anything in existence. I dunno I personally can't see Mewtwo just walking up to Beerus and going mindwipe or whatever.

Yeah, but we're talking about the anime, not the games.

You keep bringing up how they could just keep spamming SSJG until everybody masters it like Goku did, but that's never gonna happen. Same with Mewtwo.

I wouldn't have a problem if they came out and said that DB character's strength lets them fight off mind control, but until they do, I see no reason to treat them any differently than any other fictional universe.

Well for SSJ God it's cause the others aren't interested in fighting. If they were then there's no reason not to spam SSJ God. With Mewtwo I don't quite get why he can't just mindwipe his entire competition. Like when he fought Red in the recent anime, couldn't he have just mind wiped them? I know it's not the same Mewtwo as movie 1, but don't all Mewtwo's have that ability?

Well what exactly let Vegeta fight mind control? He let himself fall under Babidi's spell, but he still had control over himself. Maybe his overwhelming pride I guess.

Personally I like to see a little more from mind control as then maybe Mewtwo should mindfuck Arceus who I don't think has shown any resistance to it. We can only guess he does. Dialga has time powers, and yet they don't seem to have much of an effect on Arceus who doesn't have time powers.

[Kamiccolo9]

Well for SSJ God it's cause the others aren't interested in fighting. If they were then there's no reason not to spam SSJ God. With Mewtwo I don't quite get why he can't just mindwipe his entire competition. Like when he fought Red in the recent anime, couldn't he have just mind wiped them? I know it's not the same Mewtwo as movie 1, but don't all Mewtwo's have that ability?

Well what exactly let Vegeta fight mind control? He let himself fall under Babidi's spell, but he still had control over himself. Maybe his overwhelming pride I guess.

Personally I like to see a little more from mind control as then maybe Mewtwo should mindfuck Arceus who I don't think has shown any resistance to it. We can only guess he does. Dialga has time powers, and yet they don't seem to have much of an effect on Arceus who doesn't have time powers.

The Adventure anime is a separate continuity than the main Pokemon anime, and it is based off the actual games, which is why it has stat drops from attacks like String Shot, and the gym battles display health bars.

I've always assumed that it was indeed Vegeta's pride that let him overcome the mind control. The Hulk does the same thing with his rage in Marvel fairly often, and extreme emotions tend to have an effect on brainwashing in numerous franchises.

No idea about Arceus, but Mewtwo in the anime doesn't go around picking fights after the first movie. He just wants to live in peace with his clones. It would be out of character for him to hunt down stuff to beat up.

As for your Dialga point, though, Arceus directly created him and Palkia, so I would assume it's got some kind of connection to them.