"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[HeroR]

Jesus Christ, the community is so obsessed with how bad they think Goku is as a parent that any reference that is made as to how he isn't the most common guy on earth is met with extreme overreaction. You people have daddy issues or what?

Preach it brother,people just need to accept Goku is not perfect or your everyday guy,idk why people think he was nice & selfless man in the original 42 volume

My main problem is Vegeta is the one calling Goku out. The person who not only missed Trunks' birth, but also left him and his mother to die to Android 20, and mentally and physically abused Future Trunks. Just because he's a better person now doesn't wash away the BS he pulled in the Androids/Cell Saga.

[The gr]

My main problem is Vegeta is the one calling Goku out. The person who not only missed Trunks' birth, but also left him and his mother to die to Android 20, and mentally and physically abused Future Trunks. Just because he's a better person now doesn't wash away the BS he pulled in the Androids/Cell Saga.

Oh I agree with vegeta calling him out,I said that in the previous pages that was annoying,that is the criticism I can get behind with

[KuririnNoKotoKa]

Jesus Christ, the community is so obsessed with how bad they think Goku is as a parent that any reference that is made as to how he isn't the most common guy on earth is met with extreme overreaction. You people have daddy issues or what?

People are allowed to be rightfully mad at a horrendously told "joke" that at best diminishes the character and at worst shows the author's lack of understanding of how Toriyama writes humor, among other examples.

[HeroR]

My main problem is Vegeta is the one calling Goku out. The person who not only missed Trunks' birth, but also left him and his mother to die to Android 20, and mentally and physically abused Future Trunks. Just because he's a better person now doesn't wash away the BS he pulled in the Androids/Cell Saga.

Oh I agree with vegeta calling him out,I said that in the previous pages that was annoying

I wasn't calling you out to be clear, but more adding to the point why Vegeta isn't one to talk, but Toyo felt the need for Vegeta to have the moral outrage. Which goes to my issue that Vegeta's actions over the decades have been whitewash by the fandom to the point that 'Vegeta is a better than Goku' is a thing, despite the fact that Vegeta was an abusive father, while Goku even at his worse was just negligence in an innocent way.

Jesus Christ, the community is so obsessed with how bad they think Goku is as a parent that any reference that is made as to how he isn't the most common guy on earth is met with extreme overreaction. You people have daddy issues or what?

People are allowed to be rightfully mad at a horrendously told "joke" that at best diminishes the character and at worst shows the author's lack of understanding of how Toriyama writes humor, among other examples.

Don't think it's supposed to be a joke. Just a commentary on how Goku views his family, which Toriyama has stated that Goku sees his family as comrades and not 'family'.

[pacz360]

Seriously this highlights the differences between the manga and anime
Gohan u6
Anime: you wanna join that's cool,if you can't join the team due to your job it's ok
Manga: lol nope fuck that nerd
Kiss situation:
Anime: left it ambiguous
Manga:nope never kissed
Birth scene
Anime:never saw goten birth never mentions gohan
Manga:never saw either my sons birth lol
Seriously?

[SaiyanGod117]

Him being a reckless douche made him entertaining,look at the buu saga,I just love his behavior there,without those traits he would have been a boring protagonists,I just noticed when I was re reading DB again

It's ironic you cite the Buu Saga, because it's the one of the only sagas you can't really call Goku a "reckless douche" as that's one of the sagas where he thought things out pragmatically in his sense of the word. Furthermore, I know he isn't some perfect gentleman, but it wouldn't for hurt a little bit of consistent characterization and not outrageously double down on his existing flaws. However, this is Super though the show is shit and the manga isn't quite that far apart.

[HeroR]

Seriously this highlights the differences between the manga and anime
Gohan u6
Anime: you wanna join that's cool,if you can't join the team due to your job it's ok
Manga: lol nope fuck that nerd
Kiss situation:
Anime: left it ambiguous
Manga:nope never kissed
Birth scene
Anime:never saw goten birth never mentions gohan
Manga:never saw either my sons birth lol
Seriously?

I personally found Manga Goku calling Gohan 'a little shit' in the fan translation to be hilarious. It's OOC, but god it's funny.

Also, small correction, Goku wasn't even going to asked Gohan to join the U7 team since he retired from fighting. Basically the same thing Manga Goku said when Vegeta asked about Gohan, but Goku was a bit nicer about it. It wasn't until Gohan said he wanted to join and then back down that Goku told him that it's okay since 'studying was important too'.

But Toyo does kind of paint the picture that Goku doesn't like his kids that much or maybe it's just Gohan.

It's ironic you cite the Buu Saga, because it's the one of the only sagas you can't really call Goku a "reckless douche" as that's one of the sagas where he thought things out pragmatically in his sense of the word. Furthermore, I know he isn't some perfect gentleman, but it wouldn't for hurt a little bit of consistent characterization and not outrageously double down on his existing flaws. However, this is Super though the show is shit and the manga isn't quite that far apart.

Can't say I agree since he left the fate of the world to two kids, after he started the entire mess by not going Super Saiyan 3 to beat Vegeta quickly. And it's like letting the shit hit the fan and giving the kids the mop and telling them to clean it up since they can't depend on you forever.

Also, "Super though the show is shit and the manga isn't quite that far apart", yet you still follow it and post in the Super section. What does that say about you?

[The gr]

Him being a reckless douche made him entertaining,look at the buu saga,I just love his behavior there,without those traits he would have been a boring protagonists,I just noticed when I was re reading DB again

It's ironic you cite the Buu Saga, because it's the one of the only sagas you can't really call Goku a "reckless douche" as that's one of the sagas where he thought things out pragmatically in his sense of the word. Furthermore, I know he isn't some perfect gentleman, but it wouldn't for hurt a little bit consistent characterization and not outrageously double down on his existing flaws. However, this is Super though the show is shit and the manga isn't quite that far apart.

his act were just mean like fighting vegeta knowing he could revived a beast or letting the kids cleaning up his mess,the dbs manga did show him regretting to leave trunks in the future & the anime he had quite the reaction when he figured his family was killed by someone , he is selfish and a nice person in both dbs & db

Jesus Christ, the community is so obsessed with how bad they think Goku is as a parent that any reference that is made as to how he isn't the most common guy on earth is met with extreme overreaction. You people have daddy issues or what?

People are allowed to be rightfully mad at a horrendously told "joke" that at best diminishes the character and at worst shows the author's lack of understanding of how Toriyama writes humor, among other examples.

Just how this diminished his character, did Goku denied his earthling heritage and refer himself as a saiyan if that were the case I will call a bad character regression

The joke was flat like he thought bulma was fat & the prince calling him out was lame

[pacz360]

Seriously this highlights the differences between the manga and anime
Gohan u6
Anime: you wanna join that's cool,if you can't join the team due to your job it's ok
Manga: lol nope fuck that nerd
Kiss situation:
Anime: left it ambiguous
Manga:nope never kissed
Birth scene
Anime:never saw goten birth never mentions gohan
Manga:never saw either my sons birth lol
Seriously?

I personally found Manga Goku calling Gohan 'a little shit' in the fan translation to be hilarious. It's OOC, but god it's funny.

Also, small correction, Goku wasn't even going to asked Gohan to join the U7 team since he retired from fighting. Basically the same thing Manga Goku said when Vegeta asked about Gohan, but Goku was a bit nicer about it. It wasn't until Gohan said he wanted to join and then back down that Goku told him that it's okay since 'studying was important too'.

But Toyo does kind of paint the picture that Goku doesn't like his kids that much or maybe it's just Gohan.

Regardless of the correction goku didn't do it in away that screams I don't want anything to do with him
Manga seems like he couldnt give too shits about his kids while anime shows that he cares about his family especially how black told him how he killed goten and chichi

[Boo Machine]

I mean, This doesn't really change my view of the character. It's one of those things I never really thought about, but if it turned out to be the case it wouldn't have surprised me. So now Super is telling us it's the case, and it doesn't surprise me.

Though, Yeah, Vegeta doesn't have much room to talk. At least Goku was working where Vegeta chose to get his clock cleaned by the God of Kitty clock cleaning.

[The gr]

Regardless of the correction goku didn't do it in away that screams I don't want anything to do with him
Manga seems like he couldnt give too shits about his kids while anime shows that he cares about his family especially how black told him how he killed goten and chichi

We haven't seen gohan & goku interacting, lets see how they will handle their relationship if they didn't interact that's how much AT care for him,I'm calling it he won't be the leader of u7,I'm gonna die laughing if goku call his son a disappointment or he haven't though up of recruiting him

[ssjprodigy]

Seriously this highlights the differences between the manga and anime
Gohan u6
Anime: you wanna join that's cool,if you can't join the team due to your job it's ok
Manga: lol nope fuck that nerd
Kiss situation:
Anime: left it ambiguous
Manga:nope never kissed
Birth scene
Anime:never saw goten birth never mentions gohan
Manga:never saw either my sons birth lol
Seriously?

I personally found Manga Goku calling Gohan 'a little shit' in the fan translation to be hilarious. It's OOC, but god it's funny.

Also, small correction, Goku wasn't even going to asked Gohan to join the U7 team since he retired from fighting. Basically the same thing Manga Goku said when Vegeta asked about Gohan, but Goku was a bit nicer about it. It wasn't until Gohan said he wanted to join and then back down that Goku told him that it's okay since 'studying was important too'.

But Toyo does kind of paint the picture that Goku doesn't like his kids that much or maybe it's just Gohan.

It's ironic you cite the Buu Saga, because it's the one of the only sagas you can't really call Goku a "reckless douche" as that's one of the sagas where he thought things out pragmatically in his sense of the word. Furthermore, I know he isn't some perfect gentleman, but it wouldn't for hurt a little bit of consistent characterization and not outrageously double down on his existing flaws. However, this is Super though the show is shit and the manga isn't quite that far apart.

Can't say I agree since he left the fate of the world to two kids, after he started the entire mess by not going Super Saiyan 3 to beat Vegeta quickly. And it's like letting the shit hit the fan and giving the kids the mop and telling them to clean it up since they can't depend on you forever.

Also, "Super though the show is shit and the manga isn't quite that far apart", yet you still follow it and post in the Super section. What does that say about you?

I dont get how he cant like his eldest son when the other one is damn clone who accomplished nothing to the plot

[HeroR]

Regardless of the correction goku didn't do it in away that screams I don't want anything to do with him
Manga seems like he couldnt give too shits about his kids while anime shows that he cares about his family especially how black told him how he killed goten and chichi

We haven't seen gohan & goku interacting, lets see how they will handle their relationship if they didn't interact that's how much AT care for him,I'm calling it he won't be the leader of u7,I'm gonna die laughing if goku call his son a disappointment or he haven't though up of recruiting him

I am 90% certain that Gohan being the leader is in the outline since I have a hard time thinking Toei would do it, even if they seem to like Gohan more than Toriyama. And to be fair, Anime Goku wasn't thinking of Gohan either. He had to be reminded he had another son.

Everything else...let's wait and see. But I sadly can't say I would be shocked if Goku did badmouth Gohan even thought Goku in the original manga was nothing but supportive to his kids, even when he completely missed the mark.

I dont get how he cant like his eldest son when the other one is damn clone who accomplished nothing to the plot

Well, Goten has shown up several times in the Super manga, while Gohan has been the ghost since the Battle of Gods section.

[The gr]

Everything else...let's wait and see. But I sadly can't say I would be shocked if Goku did badmouth Gohan even thought Goku in the original manga was nothing but supportive to his kids, even when he completely missed the mark.

if goku think his son is a disappointment which I see is likely to happened , that is just mean spirited & bad writing on this manga

[OLKv3]

This is a major overreaction. The joke sucks yeah but you guys are acting as if everything is completely ruined
And HUH? The anime kiss scene joke wasn't ambiguous in the slightest. That was just the fandom in denial, as usual

[SaiyanGod117]

his act were just mean like fighting vegeta knowing he could revived a beast or letting the kids cleaning up his mess,iirc the dbs manga did show him regretting to leave trunks in the future, he is selfish and a nice person in both dbs and db

Can't say I agree since he left the fate of the world to two kids, after he started the entire mess by not going Super Saiyan 3 to beat Vegeta quickly. And it's like letting the shit hit the fan and giving the kids the mop and telling them to clean it up since they can't depend on you forever.

Also, "Super though the show is shit and the manga isn't quite that far apart", yet you still follow it and post in the Super section. What does that say about you?

Hence, why I said in his sense of the word, Goku left Buu to Trunks and Goten because he knew that wouldn't be always there to fight off the next villain. So he wanted the next generation to learn how to protect themselves, he definitely had the right idea, but he went at the wrong way of executing it. In his mind, he thought what no better chance for them to get experience than to defeat something equal equivalance of what they someday be fighting in the future. In addition, you can't the blame the Resurrection of Majin Buu on Goku, as it was Vegeta who incited the whole thing by submitting his mind to Babdi and killing a half of stadium full of innocent citizens to force Goku to fight him. Whats more, Goku was gonna end the fight quickly as he said himeself in the beginning of the fight, but unbeknownst to him since Vegeta submitted himself to Babdi he got a power boost putting him on equal footing to Goku, that otherwise would have been a quick stomp. In conclusion there's was pretty much nothing Goku could do that in situation, going SSJ3 humiliating Vegeta would have been detrimental to Vegeta's progression in the 7 year timeskip and put a wedge among him and Bulma and Trunks.

[pacz360]

This is a major overreaction. The joke sucks yeah but you guys are acting as if everything is completely ruined
And HUH? The anime kiss scene joke wasn't ambiguous in the slightest. That was just the fandom in denial, as usual

Given how it was handles in the anime it was
Maybe so on the overreaction ..but that doesn't change the fact shit like this is wasn't necessary one thing for him to miss goten he was dead but gohan? Nigga ain't got anything better to do

[OLKv3]

This is a major overreaction. The joke sucks yeah but you guys are acting as if everything is completely ruined
And HUH? The anime kiss scene joke wasn't ambiguous in the slightest. That was just the fandom in denial, as usual

Given how it was handles in the anime it was
Maybe so on the overreaction ..but that doesn't change the fact shit like this is wasn't necessary one thing for him to miss goten he was dead but gohan? Nigga ain't got anything better to do

It really wasn't ambiguous at all. Goku doesn't kiss his wife on the lips. Everyone got it immediately when that scene happened. Then as usual, people made excuses so Goku doesn't look like such a bumbling idiot

[pacz360]

This is a major overreaction. The joke sucks yeah but you guys are acting as if everything is completely ruined
And HUH? The anime kiss scene joke wasn't ambiguous in the slightest. That was just the fandom in denial, as usual

Given how it was handles in the anime it was
Maybe so on the overreaction ..but that doesn't change the fact shit like this is wasn't necessary one thing for him to miss goten he was dead but gohan? Nigga ain't got anything better to do

It really wasn't ambiguous at all. Goku doesn't kiss his wife on the lips. Everyone got it immediately when that scene happened. Then as usual, people made excuses so Goku doesn't look like such a bumbling idiot

Agree to disagree on that one but whatever

[Lionel]

How likely is it that Goku would end up destitute without having so much as basic amenities without his family? The man isn't exactly known for being normal. Imagine him having to eat fish caught from the local rivers like back at the beginning of the manga, no electricity, no culinary variety, no plumbing, nothing except the roof he has courtesy of his grandfather. When you think about that possibility, Gohan being a disappointment in his eyes for prioritising his career hardly seems fair. It's even more damning when you realise that Tenshinhan and Chaozu are able to create a successful agricultural business while keeping up with their training, ironically for Gohan as well.