Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[WittyUsername]

So a lot of the the complaints were BoG was too goofy, had too many characters, all about the Saiyans etc, so Toriyama takes out 5 of the goofiest characters including TWO Saiyans (Yamcha, Goten, Trunks, Buu, Satan) and people still find room to complain?

Anyway, does anyone think this could be a hint that Toriyama is subtly regretting the Buu arc?

I'm not sure I'd say he regrets the Buu arc, considering that he seems to have absolutely no problem acknowledging it.

[sintzu]

Anyway, does anyone think this could be a hint that Toriyama is subtly regretting the Buu arc?

I think he just wants to try something different this time.

[RandomGuy96]

The last time Goten and Trunks were brought out for a big fight, they kinda died.

Having had the kids die once is more than enough reason for the adults to leave them out this time, as far as I'm concerned.

This.

Goten and Trunks may be strong but they really aren't the most composed in battle. And I'm sure if they were to die again on the battlefield, it would lead to the Z-Fighters having a heavy conscious and incredible amount of guilt about it.

You overestimate them. Goten and Trunks will get brought back if they die, which isn't likely. On the other hand, millions of people are currently dead and not coming back ever due to Goku's hubris. He doesn't give a fuck.

In the manga they can't sense ki.

Incorrect. Goten and Trunks comment on Vegeta's ki.

So a lot of the the complaints were BoG was too goofy, had too many characters, all about the Saiyans etc, so Toriyama takes out 5 of the goofiest characters including TWO Saiyans (Yamcha, Goten, Trunks, Buu, Satan) and people still find room to complain?

Anyway, does anyone think this could be a hint that Toriyama is subtly regretting the Buu arc?

I doubt it. He's continuing with the worst bits of it (while leaving out most of the good ones), and it's the only arc where he didn't have a tough editor, so probably the most "Toriyama" of them.

[TheGmGoken]

So a lot of the the complaints were BoG was too goofy, had too many characters, all about the Saiyans etc, so Toriyama takes out 5 of the goofiest characters including TWO Saiyans (Yamcha, Goten, Trunks, Buu, Satan) and people still find room to complain?

Anyway, does anyone think this could be a hint that Toriyama is subtly regretting the Buu arc?

Umm..since I'm the main room complainng of lack of Gotenks. BoG had bad humor except for Vegeta and Gotenks getting spanked. Who the fuck complained about too many characters?

[ShadowWolf87]

Who the fuck complained about too many characters?

Lots of people complained about so many characters being there and yet doing nothing.

Even in Yo they had more to do than in BoG.

[ShadowWolf87]

The last time Goten and Trunks were brought out for a big fight, they kinda died.

Having had the kids die once is more than enough reason for the adults to leave them out this time, as far as I'm concerned.

This.

Goten and Trunks may be strong but they really aren't the most composed in battle. And I'm sure if they were to die again on the battlefield, it would lead to the Z-Fighters having a heavy conscious and incredible amount of guilt about it.

You overestimate them. Goten and Trunks will get brought back if they die, which isn't likely. On the other hand, millions of people are currently dead and not coming back ever due to Goku's hubris. He doesn't give a fuck.

So a lot of the the complaints were BoG was too goofy, had too many characters, all about the Saiyans etc, so Toriyama takes out 5 of the goofiest characters including TWO Saiyans (Yamcha, Goten, Trunks, Buu, Satan) and people still find room to complain?

Anyway, does anyone think this could be a hint that Toriyama is subtly regretting the Buu arc?

I doubt it. He's continuing with the worst bits of it (while leaving out most of the good ones), and it's the only arc where he didn't have a tough editor, so probably the most "Toriyama" of them.

Goten and Trunks could be brought back if they die... just requires mourning over seeing your child/brother/friends' sons dead and a trip to Namek or an 8 month wait.. The moms won't go for that and frankly, I doubt the others want it either.

As for your second assertion... I don't even wanna try to touch that one.

[jjgp1112]

The last time Goten and Trunks were brought out for a big fight, they kinda died.

Having had the kids die once is more than enough reason for the adults to leave them out this time, as far as I'm concerned.

This.

Goten and Trunks may be strong but they really aren't the most composed in battle. And I'm sure if they were to die again on the battlefield, it would lead to the Z-Fighters having a heavy conscious and incredible amount of guilt about it.

You overestimate them. Goten and Trunks will get brought back if they die, which isn't likely. On the other hand, millions of people are currently dead and not coming back ever due to Goku's hubris. He doesn't give a fuck.

...? What are you even talking about?

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Anyway, does anyone think this could be a hint that Toriyama is subtly regretting the Buu arc?

I think he just wants to try something different this time.

You're probably right, I am probably reading too much into it, but I do find it interesting that the three biggest new characters from the Buu arc are being sidelined, I certainly have no qualms about it though, I guess it is probably because they're the three goofiest characters too. And the fact Goten and Trunks are awful in the field.

[RandomGuy96]

quote]...? What the fuck are you even talking about?

The people the city Gero blew up. Also the people on the islands that Cell blew up.

[ShadowWolf87]

quote]...? What the fuck are you even talking about?

The people the city Gero blew up. Also the people on the islands that Cell blew up.

And they're never coming back because...?

[RandomGuy96]

quote]...? What the fuck are you even talking about?

The people the city Gero blew up. Also the people on the islands that Cell blew up.

And they're never coming back because...?

Because no one brought them back. They only brought back the people that Cell killed. The islands are still gone (anyone brought back is just going to drown) and the people Gero killed are still dead.

[ShadowWolf87]

Because no one brought them back. They only brought back the people that Cell killed. The islands are still gone (anyone brought back is just going to drown) and the people Gero killed are still dead.

I think you're overthinking things a bit in terms of people drowning.[/quote]

The others can still be brought back as well.

And not sure how anything Cell did was on Goku, Cell was already there and Goku was either in training or out of comission for most all of his rampage.

EDIT: I think he also figured presenting himself, their likely target, to them and saying he wanted to fight where there were fewer people wouldn't have been taken in quite that manner. But to say that millions died there is a bit of an exaggeration.

[RandomGuy96]

Because no one brought them back. They only brought back the people that Cell killed. The islands are still gone (anyone brought back is just going to drown) and the people Gero killed are still dead.

I think you're overthinking things a bit in terms of people drowning.

The others can still be brought back as well.

And not sure how anything Cell did was on Goku, Cell was already there and Goku was either in training or out of comission for most all of his rampage.

EDIT: I think he also figured presenting himself, their likely target, to them and saying he wanted to fight where there were fewer people wouldn't have been taken in quite that manner. But to say that millions died there is a bit of an exaggeration.

Not really. They brought the people back, but not the islands. Boom, thousands dead.

Except nobody brought them back. They're still dead. Goku doesn't care.

Gero would not have been able to destroy that city if Goku didn't insist on letting the androids get created so he could have fun by fighting them.

[Marco Polo]

In the manga they can't sense ki.

Actually, they can.

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

Mmh, there are two possible solutions then:

1/ As shown in the first pic, they can't identify whose ki they are sensing, so maybe Bulma told them that if they sense a huge ki it's just Goku or Vegeta or Whis, etc.

2/ They forgot how to sense ki because this is a few years after the Buu saga and they don't train. Again, as shown in the first pic, their ki sensing ability wasn't exactly perfect.

[mAcChaos]

Because no one brought them back. They only brought back the people that Cell killed. The islands are still gone (anyone brought back is just going to drown) and the people Gero killed are still dead.

I think you're overthinking things a bit in terms of people drowning.

The others can still be brought back as well.

And not sure how anything Cell did was on Goku, Cell was already there and Goku was either in training or out of comission for most all of his rampage.

EDIT: I think he also figured presenting himself, their likely target, to them and saying he wanted to fight where there were fewer people wouldn't have been taken in quite that manner. But to say that millions died there is a bit of an exaggeration.

Not really. They brought the people back, but not the islands. Boom, thousands dead.

Except nobody brought them back. They're still dead. Goku doesn't care.

Gero would not have been able to destroy that city if Goku didn't insist on letting the androids get created so he could have fun by fighting them.

How do you know they didn't bring them back during the 7 years?

[jcogginsa]

Because no one brought them back. They only brought back the people that Cell killed. The islands are still gone (anyone brought back is just going to drown) and the people Gero killed are still dead.

I think you're overthinking things a bit in terms of people drowning.

The others can still be brought back as well.

And not sure how anything Cell did was on Goku, Cell was already there and Goku was either in training or out of comission for most all of his rampage.

EDIT: I think he also figured presenting himself, their likely target, to them and saying he wanted to fight where there were fewer people wouldn't have been taken in quite that manner. But to say that millions died there is a bit of an exaggeration.

Not really. They brought the people back, but not the islands. Boom, thousands dead.

Except nobody brought them back. They're still dead. Goku doesn't care.

Gero would not have been able to destroy that city if Goku didn't insist on letting the androids get created so he could have fun by fighting them.

How do you know Shenron didn't bring back the island? He isn't usually a dick about his wishes, and will go a little bit beyond the exact wording of wishes

[ShadowWolf87]

Because no one brought them back. They only brought back the people that Cell killed. The islands are still gone (anyone brought back is just going to drown) and the people Gero killed are still dead.

I think you're overthinking things a bit in terms of people drowning.

The others can still be brought back as well.

And not sure how anything Cell did was on Goku, Cell was already there and Goku was either in training or out of comission for most all of his rampage.

EDIT: I think he also figured presenting himself, their likely target, to them and saying he wanted to fight where there were fewer people wouldn't have been taken in quite that manner. But to say that millions died there is a bit of an exaggeration.

Not really. They brought the people back, but not the islands. Boom, thousands dead.

Except nobody brought them back. They're still dead. Goku doesn't care.

Gero would not have been able to destroy that city if Goku didn't insist on letting the androids get created so he could have fun by fighting them.

Wouldn't have mattered either way. At least SOME of the Androids were already made, and Goku and the others attacking at that point likely would have resulted in their deaths. Heck, Gero's computer was already active and harvesting DNA for Cell.

For all the talk of how they should have attacked then, it probably would have lead to a mass grave regardless.

That being said, you really are indeed insisting that everyone there had to have appeared right there in the water and drowned. I doubt that's the case, especially given Shenron's power now being more in-line with how Porunga can do things. And still not Goku's fault, man.

[Bullza]

You know they may actually explain some of these things in the movie...

I remember all the talk about "why is King Kai's planet back, it blew up, plot hole! plot hole!" and then they actually explained why.

A lot of you are acting like the manga is a panel for panel, word for word presentation presentation of the movie and it isn't.

[Doctor.]

Why exactly is Goku getting hate here? Not saying it's undeserved, but I'd like to know why it was brought up.

[TheGmGoken]

In the manga they can't sense ki.

Actually, they can.

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

Mmh, there are two possible solutions then:

1/ As shown in the first pic, they can't identify whose ki they are sensing, so maybe Bulma told them that if they sense a huge ki it's just Goku or Vegeta or Whis, etc.

2/ They forgot how to sense ki because this is a few years after the Buu saga and they don't train. Again, as shown in the first pic, their ki sensing ability wasn't exactly perfect.

1. Goten and Trunks never sensed Goku ki before. So it should be unfamiliar. Even more unfamiliar as a SSJ2. Also Vegeta was majin which perhaps gave his aura a different feel.

2. Gohan didn't train either and he still remembers. Gohan stop training at 9-10. I'm sure Vegeta taught Trunks as soon as Trunks started basic training. Also how would they forget how to sense no after what happened with Beerus. Also in BoG they perform fusion. That is a ki senseing method.