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Full Power Beerus VS Super Buu (absorbed, see list below:)-- no stone spit, candy beam, or absorbing Beerus
Spoiler:
Mystic/Ultimate Gohan
Guldo
Captain Ginyu
Jeice
Burter
Recoome
SSJ3 Gotenks (no fusion time limit)
SSJ3 Gogeta (no fusion time limit)
SSJ3 Vegito (he won't separate inside Buu)
Original Meta-Cooler
Transformed Hirudegarn
Base Hirudegarn
Tapion
Super Janemba
Fat Infant Janemba
Pikkon
Olibu
SSJ3 Goku
SSJ2 Majin Vegeta
Post-ROSAT SSJ Goten and Trunks
Buu Saga Piccolo, Krillin, Tien, Yamcha, and Chiaotzu
Imperfect Cell
Semi-Perfect Cell
Full Power Perfect Cell
Four Cell Jr.s
Super Perfect Cell
Movie 10 LSSJ Broly
Movie 8 LSSJ Broly
Bio-Broly
Great Ape Paragus
Super Hatchiyak
Dr. Raichi
Dr. Wheelo
Android 8, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20 and Super Android 13
Mecha Frieza, King Cold, Cui, Dodoria, and transformed Zarbon
Great Ape Turles (post-2nd Fruit) and the Turles Crusher Corps.
Lord Slug (Youth restored) and his clan
5th Form Cooler and the Cooler Armored Squadron
Dabura
Yakon
Pui Pui
Aka (Abo and Kado fusion)
Great Ape Tarbles
Makyo Star Enhanced and Immortal (but not actually being unkillable) Garlic Jr. and the Spice Boys
Transformed Bojack and his Crew
SSJ Future Gohan (one-armed)
Cell Games SSJ Future Trunks
SSJ Bardock and his Great Ape Crew
Chilled
Nappa
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Angelus wrote:Full Power Beerus VS Super Buu (absorbed, see list below:)-- no stone spit, candy beam, or absorbing Beerus
Spoiler:
Mystic/Ultimate Gohan
SSJ3 Gotenks (no fusion time limit)
SSJ3 Gogeta (no fusion time limit)
SSJ3 Vegito (he won't separate inside Buu)
Transformed Hirudegarn
Base Hirudegarn
Tapion
Super Janemba
Fat Infant Janemba
Paikuhan
Olibu
SSJ3 Goku
SSJ2 Majin Vegeta
Post-ROSAT SSJ Goten and Trunks
Buu Saga Piccolo, Krillin, Tenshinhan, Yamcha, and Chiaotzu
Imperfect Cell
Semi-Perfect Cell
Full Power Perfect Cell
Four Cell Jr.s
Super Perfect Cell
Movie 10 LSSJ Broly
Movie 8 LSSJ Broly
Bio-Broly
Great Ape Paragus
Super Hatchiyak
Dr. Raichi
Dr. Wheelo
Android 8, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20 and Super Android 13
Mecha Freeza, King Cold, Cui, Dodoria, transformed Zarbon, and the Ginyu Force
Great Ape Tullece (post-2nd Fruit) and the Tullece Crusher Corps.
Lord Slug (Youth restored) and his clan
5th Form Cooler and the Cooler Armored Squadron
Original Meta-Cooler
Dabura
Yakon
Pui Pui
Aka (Abo and Kado fusion)
Great Ape Tarbles
Makyo Star Enhanced and Immortal (but not actually being unkillable) Garlic Jr. and the Spice Boys
Transformed Bojack and his Crew
SSJ Future Gohan (one-armed)
Cell Games SSJ Future Trunks
SSJ Bardock and his Great Ape Crew
Chilled
Nappa
Beerus still stomps. No amount of absorptions will be enough. Beerus is in a league of his own; and at full power, the only person who can defeat him is Whis.
Last edited by Lord Beerus on Tue Mar 31, 2015 2:07 pm, edited 2 times in total.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Angelus wrote:Stomps? Not even at the level of effort he had against SSJG Goku?
Also, this Super Buu will have Guldo's timestop.
Won't matter. Beerus will still one shot him. If Beerus could nuke a sun while half asleep, somewhat cranky and not even trying, at full power and not holding back, he's unstoppable. Only Whis is above him.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Full Power Beerus VS Super Buu (absorbed, see list below:)-- no stone spit, candy beam, or absorbing Beerus
Spoiler:
Mystic/Ultimate Gohan
Guldo
Captain Ginyu
Jeice
Burter
Recoome
SSJ3 Gotenks (no fusion time limit)
SSJ3 Gogeta (no fusion time limit)
SSJ3 Vegito (he won't separate inside Buu)
10,000,000,000 Meta-Cooler Clones
Original Meta-Cooler
Transformed Hirudegarn
Base Hirudegarn
Tapion
Super Janemba
Fat Infant Janemba
Paikuhan
Olibu
SSJ3 Goku
SSJ2 Majin Vegeta
Post-ROSAT SSJ Goten and Trunks
Buu Saga Piccolo, Krillin, Tenshinhan, Yamcha, and Chiaotzu
Imperfect Cell
Semi-Perfect Cell
Full Power Perfect Cell
Four Cell Jr.s
Super Perfect Cell
Movie 10 LSSJ Broly
Movie 8 LSSJ Broly
Bio-Broly
Great Ape Paragus
Super Hatchiyak
Dr. Raichi
Dr. Wheelo
Android 8, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20 and Super Android 13
Mecha Freeza, King Cold, Cui, Dodoria, and transformed Zarbon
Great Ape Tullece (post-2nd Fruit) and the Tullece Crusher Corps.
Lord Slug (Youth restored) and his clan
5th Form Cooler and the Cooler Armored Squadron
Dabura
Yakon
Pui Pui
Aka (Abo and Kado fusion)
Great Ape Tarbles
Makyo Star Enhanced and Immortal (but not actually being unkillable) Garlic Jr. and the Spice Boys
Transformed Bojack and his Crew
SSJ Future Gohan (one-armed)
Cell Games SSJ Future Trunks
SSJ Bardock and his Great Ape Crew
Chilled
Nappa
Beerus is turned into candy.
The Monkey King wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:
dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
Full Power Beerus VS Super Buu (absorbed, see list below:)-- no stone spit, candy beam, or absorbing Beerus
Spoiler:
Mystic/Ultimate Gohan
Guldo
Captain Ginyu
Jeice
Burter
Recoome
SSJ3 Gotenks (no fusion time limit)
SSJ3 Gogeta (no fusion time limit)
SSJ3 Vegito (he won't separate inside Buu)
10,000,000,000 Meta-Cooler Clones
Original Meta-Cooler
Transformed Hirudegarn
Base Hirudegarn
Tapion
Super Janemba
Fat Infant Janemba
Paikuhan
Olibu
SSJ3 Goku
SSJ2 Majin Vegeta
Post-ROSAT SSJ Goten and Trunks
Buu Saga Piccolo, Krillin, Tenshinhan, Yamcha, and Chiaotzu
Imperfect Cell
Semi-Perfect Cell
Full Power Perfect Cell
Four Cell Jr.s
Super Perfect Cell
Movie 10 LSSJ Broly
Movie 8 LSSJ Broly
Bio-Broly
Great Ape Paragus
Super Hatchiyak
Dr. Raichi
Dr. Wheelo
Android 8, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20 and Super Android 13
Mecha Freeza, King Cold, Cui, Dodoria, and transformed Zarbon
Great Ape Tullece (post-2nd Fruit) and the Tullece Crusher Corps.
Lord Slug (Youth restored) and his clan
5th Form Cooler and the Cooler Armored Squadron
Dabura
Yakon
Pui Pui
Aka (Abo and Kado fusion)
Great Ape Tarbles
Makyo Star Enhanced and Immortal (but not actually being unkillable) Garlic Jr. and the Spice Boys
Transformed Bojack and his Crew
SSJ Future Gohan (one-armed)
Cell Games SSJ Future Trunks
SSJ Bardock and his Great Ape Crew
Chilled
Nappa
Buu should win hands down. He has too many other special abilities and traits to compensate for Beerus' slight power advantage e.g. Jenemba's dimension warping abilities , Guildo's timestop(which he should be infinite considering Buu doesn't need to breath), Dabura's spit, Rachi's intelligence, Cell's techniques and Gogeta/Vegetto's fighting skills and tactical mind.
AvatarReiko wrote:Buu should win hands down. He has too many other special abilities and traits to compensate for Beerus' slight power advantage e.g. Jenemba's dimension warping abilities , Guildo's timestop(which he should be infinite considering Buu doesn't need to breath), Dabura's spit, Rachi's intelligence, Cell's techniques and Gogeta/Vegetto's fighting skills and tactical mind.
Angelus states that Super Buu doesn't have access to his candy beam ability or stone spitting.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Full Power Beerus VS Super Buu (absorbed, see list below:)-- no stone spit, candy beam, or absorbing Beerus
Spoiler:
Mystic/Ultimate Gohan
Guldo
Captain Ginyu
Jeice
Burter
Recoome
SSJ3 Gotenks (no fusion time limit)
SSJ3 Gogeta (no fusion time limit)
SSJ3 Vegito (he won't separate inside Buu)
10,000,000,000 Meta-Cooler Clones
Original Meta-Cooler
Transformed Hirudegarn
Base Hirudegarn
Tapion
Super Janemba
Fat Infant Janemba
Paikuhan
Olibu
SSJ3 Goku
SSJ2 Majin Vegeta
Post-ROSAT SSJ Goten and Trunks
Buu Saga Piccolo, Krillin, Tenshinhan, Yamcha, and Chiaotzu
Imperfect Cell
Semi-Perfect Cell
Full Power Perfect Cell
Four Cell Jr.s
Super Perfect Cell
Movie 10 LSSJ Broly
Movie 8 LSSJ Broly
Bio-Broly
Great Ape Paragus
Super Hatchiyak
Dr. Raichi
Dr. Wheelo
Android 8, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20 and Super Android 13
Mecha Freeza, King Cold, Cui, Dodoria, and transformed Zarbon
Great Ape Tullece (post-2nd Fruit) and the Tullece Crusher Corps.
Lord Slug (Youth restored) and his clan
5th Form Cooler and the Cooler Armored Squadron
Dabura
Yakon
Pui Pui
Aka (Abo and Kado fusion)
Great Ape Tarbles
Makyo Star Enhanced and Immortal (but not actually being unkillable) Garlic Jr. and the Spice Boys
Transformed Bojack and his Crew
SSJ Future Gohan (one-armed)
Cell Games SSJ Future Trunks
SSJ Bardock and his Great Ape Crew
Chilled
Nappa
Beerus wins, I guess. Though he would lose if it were Naturon Shenron (Super Baby Buu Janemba absorbed)
"The life is the hardest video games of ever. Because you have only one life and the powers are kinda lame. And sometimes a stage takes years"
"The life is a game, the objective of the game is trying to find the objective of the game, and then, finish the game"
--by Ranely Jr
Sandubadear wrote:Beerus wins, I guess. Though he would lose if it were Naturon Shenron (Super Baby Buu Janemba absorbed)
No, he wouldn't. Beerus would still one shot him.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Dyno wrote:Majin Baby Janemba vs Freeza after four funnily months of training.
Freeza cause he's a prodigy...and prodigy's don't need to have any explanation for their accomplishments or how they can defy expectations.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
Dyno wrote:Majin Baby Janemba vs Freeza after four funnily months of training.
Freeza
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Sandubadear wrote:Beerus wins, I guess. Though he would lose if it were Naturon Shenron (Super Baby Buu Janemba absorbed)
No, he wouldn't. Beerus would still one shot him.
You're underestimating the might of Majin Naturon Shenron with
Spoiler:
(Super Baby Buu Janemba (Garlic Jr., Broly, Super 17 (Android 16 absorbed), Freeza and Cell absorbed)) absorbed
Makes no difference. God Ki puts you in completely different league irregardless.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
