"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Seems like Toriyama chose Super Saiyan Blue over Super Saiyan White in FnF because SSWhite Goku would color-clash with Goku Black. So, we won't see Super Saiyan White in this arc either, which would make sense since he doesn't want Goku & Vegeta to surpass a new form yet (SSG was equal with 60% Beerus & 2 SSBs could rival 100% Beerus, so SSW still being below Beerus wouldn't make much sense).

[Psykomatik]

I think the Mirai Trunks arc will be as long as the Freeza arc in DB Kai. Man, i'm so excited about this!

[Pannaliciour]

"Goku is stronger than Beerus with kaio ken" > "No he is not because Toriyama contradicts this in his interview: no plans to upgrade him anytime soon"

"So Goku without Kaio ken is like a 6 and Beerus a 10 like Toriyama stated in his interview?" > "No thats not valid because it is change by Super, even when there is no evidence of it".

People are misusing the statements of Toriyama. Either you always use his statement.or not. You cant cherrypick!

[kinisking]

"Goku is stronger than Beerus with kaio ken" > "No he is not because Toriyama contradicts this in his interview: no plans to upgrade him anytime soon"

"So Goku without Kaio ken is like a 6 and Beerus a 10 like Toriyama stated in his interview?" > "No thats not valid because it is change by Super, even when there is no evidence of it".

People are misusing the statements of Toriyama. Either you always use his statement.or not. You cant cherrypick!

It makes more sense to use more recent information by Toriyama. If something gets contradicted, then it's the old information that's useless. Akira tends to make stuff as he goes on.

[sintzu]

Seems like Toriyama chose Super Saiyan Blue over Super Saiyan White in FnF because SSWhite Goku would color-clash with Goku Black.

Assuming Goku black isn't our Goku.

We're speculating based on us thinking that the arc starts with Trunks coming back to warn them about Goku but what if that's not how it starts ?

Maybe Trunks is introduced half way through the arc after whoever takes over our Goku, beats up the Z fighters and destroys Trunks' timeline.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

"Goku is stronger than Beerus with kaio ken" > "No he is not because Toriyama contradicts this in his interview: no plans to upgrade him anytime soon"

"So Goku without Kaio ken is like a 6 and Beerus a 10 like Toriyama stated in his interview?" > "No thats not valid because it is change by Super, even when there is no evidence of it".

People are misusing the statements of Toriyama. Either you always use his statement.or not. You cant cherrypick!

SSG Goku being at 6 & SSB Goku & Vegeta together rivaling Beerus can still be true. Hit was slightly weaker than SSB Goku, and the only thing that he improved through their fight was his Tokitobashi & not his battle power, yet he could still fight with KKx10 SSB Goku, which would mean that since Kaio-ken Super Saiyan Blue is still incomplete, even though his ki becomes x2-10 stronger, his body doesn't get the same increase. If it did, Goku would have broken Hit's neck with one punch.

Seems like Toriyama chose Super Saiyan Blue over Super Saiyan White in FnF because SSWhite Goku would color-clash with Goku Black.

Assuming Goku black isn't our Goku.

We're speculating based on us thinking that the arc starts with Trunks coming back to warn them about Goku but what if that's not how it starts ?

Maybe Trunks is introduced half way through the arc after whoever takes over our Goku, beats up the Z fighters and destroys Trunks' timeline.

That's how it starts.

The “Future” Trunks Arc Starts!

On June 12, 2016, Dragon Ball Super shows a new storyline… With Goku and the gang having finished the tournament against Universe 6, Trunks returns from the future and appears before them.

It’s the start of the “‘Future’ Trunks Arc”, a new plot line with story and characters based an original draft by Akira Toriyama.

After he defeated Cell, Trunks’ future was supposed to be at peace, so why has he re-appeared in the present…?

What is this new enemy in the future…?

The hotly anticipated new chapter starts June 12.

If Goku Black is a possessed/controlled/corrupted/whatever Goku, this would be a Goku from a different timeline.

[Noah]

Seems like Toriyama chose Super Saiyan Blue over Super Saiyan White in FnF because SSWhite Goku would color-clash with Goku Black. So, we won't see Super Saiyan White in this arc either, which would make sense since he doesn't want Goku & Vegeta to surpass a new form yet (SSG was equal with 60% Beerus & 2 SSBs could rival 100% Beerus, so SSW still being below Beerus wouldn't make much sense).

Wasn't Toriyama referencing Freeza when he said about that an "SSJ White" would clash with the enemy color scheme?

[GodVegetto91]

Seems like Toriyama chose Super Saiyan Blue over Super Saiyan White in FnF because SSWhite Goku would color-clash with Goku Black. So, we won't see Super Saiyan White in this arc either, which would make sense since he doesn't want Goku & Vegeta to surpass a new form yet (SSG was equal with 60% Beerus & 2 SSBs could rival 100% Beerus, so SSW still being below Beerus wouldn't make much sense).

You still don't get it. Do you? What's so hard to understand about Toriyama's quote?
He didn't chose white since it was gonna "color-clash" with the next villain.(Frieza) who's obviously white. And we all know that 2 of the same colors/people fighting eachother is an eye-sore. We need variations. That's why he chose blue. Also you're using the bog numbers who obviously don't seem to work anymore. Since 100% Beerus>SSBKK X10 Goku. Thus 10% Beerus>normal ("kaioken-LESS") SSJ Blue Goku.

My new numbers are:
Beerus: 100
SSJB Goku: 8

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Wasn't Toriyama referencing Freeza when he said about that an "SSJ White" would clash with the enemy color scheme?

We can't know for sure. Was Toriyama talking about the next enemy that would come when the new form was to be introduced, meaning Freeza, or was he talking about the next enemy after Freeza, who turns out to be Goku Black? I think he is talking about Goku Black, because a white Goku does color-clashes more than the white Freeza he never fought with his new form, and why not just say Freeza by name instead of saying "next enemy" inside the ""?

Also you're using the bog numbers who obviously don't seem to work anymore. Since 100% Beerus>SSBKK X10 Goku. Thus 10% Beerus>normal ("kaioken-LESS") SSJ Blue Goku.

Did Hit magically become x10 stronger as well?

[GodVegetto91]

Wasn't Toriyama referencing Freeza when he said about that an "SSJ White" would clash with the enemy color scheme?

We can't know for sure. Was Toriyama talking about the next enemy that would come when the new form was to be introduced, meaning Freeza, or was he talking about the next enemy after Freeza, who turns out to be Goku Black? I think he is talking about Goku Black, because a white Goku does color-clashes more than the white Freeza he never fought with his new form, and why not just say Freeza by name instead of saying "next enemy" inside the ""?

Also you're using the bog numbers who obviously don't seem to work anymore. Since 100% Beerus>SSBKK X10 Goku. Thus 10% Beerus>normal ("kaioken-LESS") SSJ Blue Goku.

Did Hit magically become x10 stronger as well?

Yes he did. It was stated he was "growing" as the fight went on. Though Goku was still stronger. It's just that Hit cheats by using Time-Freeze

[sintzu]

That's how it starts.

They said the arc starts on June 12th, nothing about how it starts or when Trunks will be introduced.

The champa arc was about the tournament but that didn't start until the arc's 6th episode so the 1st 5 episodes of Trunks' arc could be build up to what happens in his timeline.

[HAIKEN-00]

They said the arc starts on June 12th, nothing about how it starts or when Trunks will be introduced.

I think it's pretty obvious Trunks' debut will be on the 12th, too.

[Beerus-sama]

I don't get why some people think the SSJ white would be a thing...
If a villian is going to have white hair/probably will transform in this (Most probably Goku white Black) and Toriyama said he didn't make SSJBlue SSJ White because of this then he will probably never use it as an actual color for SSJ.

[HAIKEN-00]

Super Saiyan White would be a pretty bland transformation. Then again, so were the previous ones, so I wouldn't be surprised if it DID become a thing.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Wait, why are Goku & Vegeta not training with Whis? Wasn't he supposed to teach them the technique of how to have each of their body parts react on their own? And why are they back in their old outfits?

Yes he did. It was stated he was "growing" as the fight went on. Though Goku was still stronger. It's just that Hit cheats by using Time-Freeze

No, it was stated that it wasn't his ki that was growing, it was his Tokitobashi. Goku said that even though his ki didn't increase, the force of his hits did increase, but in the end he figured that the reason for this was because Hit was holding back in order for not to kill him.

That's how it starts.

They said the arc starts on June 12th, nothing about how it starts or when Trunks will be introduced.

The champa arc was about the tournament but that didn't start until the arc's 6th episode so the 1st 5 episodes of Trunks' arc could be build up to what happens in his timeline.

They didn't say "Next time in Champa arc, on 24 January 2016, the tournament begins!", while this time they are basically saying "Next time in Future Trunks arc, on June 12, 2016, Trunks returns after nearly getting killed by Goku Black!"

I don't get why some people think the SSJ white would be a thing...
If a villian is going to have white hair/probably will transform in this (Most probably Goku white Black) and Toriyama said he didn't make SSJBlue SSJ White because of this then he will probably never use it as an actual color for SSJ.

Toriyama said that he will save the white color for later.

[alakazam^]

We can't know for sure. Was Toriyama talking about the next enemy that would come when the new form was to be introduced, meaning Freeza, or was he talking about the next enemy after Freeza, who turns out to be Goku Black? I think he is talking about Goku Black, because a white Goku does color-clashes more than the white Freeza he never fought with his new form, and why not just say Freeza by name instead of saying "next enemy" inside the ""?

If Blue was introduced in the movie, then that's the enemy that matters, not the Universe 6 tournament fighters (of which none were white except Freez... Frost) or the newly Goku Black. None of these two arcs were in Toriyama's mind when he wrote Fukkatsu no F and even if they were, he had no reason to change a transformation just for plotlines down the road.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

We can't know for sure. Was Toriyama talking about the next enemy that would come when the new form was to be introduced, meaning Freeza, or was he talking about the next enemy after Freeza, who turns out to be Goku Black? I think he is talking about Goku Black, because a white Goku does color-clashes more than the white Freeza he never fought with his new form, and why not just say Freeza by name instead of saying "next enemy" inside the ""?

If Blue was introduced in the movie, then that's the enemy that matters, not the Universe 6 tournament fighters (of which none were white except Freez... Frost) or the newly Goku Black. None of these two arcs were in Toriyama's mind when he wrote Fukkatsu no F and even if they were, he had no reason to change a transformation just for plotlines down the road.

We can't know for sure. IMO at least, him talking about Goku Black makes much more sense, for the reasons I said above.

[Chuquita]

Wait, why are Goku & Vegeta not training with Whis? Wasn't he supposed to teach them the technique of how to have each of their body parts react on their own? And why are they back in their old outfits?

This is a big question I have too and I wish Super would answer it. The only idea I can come up with is Whis has them on some kind of Spring Break of sorts. I wish they'd get them back to training, I wanna see more of that.

[alakazam^]

We can't know for sure. IMO at least, him talking about Goku Black makes much more sense, for the reasons I said above.

Of course we can. Toriyama said he didn't know what story to create when he was asked to write the script for the movie after Kami to Kami. He then thought about Freeza, in which movie Blue first appeared and was relevant. Then, we know he was writing the tournament arc not long before Super started. Now, we know he is writing the Future Trunks arc, of which he hasn't seen the final script yet.

What's more likely: him introducing and changing a new transformation because of an enemy that wouldn't be appearing for two arcs or him changing an enemy's design so as not to clash with an already established transformation? Freeza was an already established villain so the new transformation that debuted in his movie had to be affected by his design. Blue is already a thing so Goku Black's design has to be affected by it.

Episode titles are a little different here:

Spoiler:

Source: http://itest.2ch.net//test/read.cgi/anime/1462861441/

I think this was the one that's been around:

Spoiler:

43 "Goku, Pan and the Pilaf gang (provisional)"

44 "Planet Poutafeu. Goku VS Vegeta 1 (provisional)"

45 "Planet Poutafeu. Goku VS Vegeta 2 (provisional)"

46 "Title undecided"

The summaries are pretty much what we already know about the episodes, the second scan's summaries being the closest with what was posted beforehand. The only "noteworthy" differences is that Kaiou says that Goku's syndrome "is like a muscle disorder", the Pilaf gang seizes that opportunity to grab Pan from Goku's house and there are various Sautéjin chasing after Goten and Trunks.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

What's more likely: him introducing and changing a new transformation because of an enemy that wouldn't be appearing for two arcs or him changing an enemy's design so as not to clash with an already established transformation?

If he was planning having a "black" villain, it would color clash with the "white" hero. Goku Black is the next villain after Freeza, since U6 arc didn't have a villain. So, if he had Goku Black in his mind since then, it would make sense, especially when Super Saiyan White Blue Goku wasn't going to fight the white Final Form Freeza, who is represented everywhere by the purple color.

He also doesn't just say it would color-clash with the next enemy, he said that it would color-clash with the "next enemy", like he talked about the "future" of "a certain somebody". The usage of the "" implies that there is more to it.

And besides, Freeza wasn't the next enemy, he was the current enemy.