The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[UnbiasedDBZfan]

Goku, Vegeta and Gohan as SSJ2 in the Buu ark was all roughly the same power level. Goku and Vegeta being the same and Gohan right behind. Now remember in the 10th DBZ movie Broly didn't even flinch at SSJ2 Gohan's punch. I say that cause a lot of people don't see how Broly is around Buu's power. I'm not saying he's as powerful, just that Buu and Broly are around the same power like how i was talking about SSJ2 Goku,Vegeta and Gohan being around the same power. And i think they should have done something like seal Broly. Toei just set up such a powerful character just to have pitiful defeats.


And Gohan getting his arm hurt by Cell, Uh i think that was cause Gohan didn't think and jumped in front of the blast. If he was powered up a bit i don't think it would have bothered him.

Broly's a pussy who gets his hold broken, kicked 2 times and outpaced by a MSSJ that hasn't trained for 7 years, loses to a 3 SSJs(2 of them half dead) and loses to a measly punch that is filled with that power of 3 near dead base saiyans and you think he's as powerful as a being who lolstomped someone stronger then a Fully Powered SSJ2 Kid Gohan, took out a fusion of boys that are a lot more powerful then Piccolo separately, held his own against a DEAD SSJ3(doesn't matter if he was holding back) and even when weakened able to hold his own against someone SSJ2 Vegeta was crushed by?

[Silkman3003]

He was not "MSSJ" in his fight against Broy(except during the beam struggle) . He was a ssj2. No, you do not need electricity. Gohan had two different hair styles in the movie. The hairstyles defined whether he was Ssj or ssj2. There were times where Goku did not have electricity(movie 13, movie 12 at a certain point) yet the hairstyle gave it away that he was a ssj2. Toei is inconsistent with lightning.


Regardless, Gohan was still beaten head to head and had to trick Broly in order to "Temporarily beat him"(in which that..was nulled by the fact that Broly put up a barrier against lava.)

And who cares if he was kicked? It just proves that gohan is atleast within the ssj2 tier, and that he didn't do as terrible as his dad did in Movie 8. Broly was still stronger, but the gap wasn't as large as Goku vs Lssj Broly.

I consider Broly to be in the range of SPC. However, I've still seen no feats to suggest that he can stand up to Buu. Maybe do alittle better than Gohan did, but he'd still lose in the end. With Buu's regeneration, and with his candy ray, I can't See Broly beating him.

The pussy bit shouldn't even be relevant when debating characters.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I have one!!

SSj3 Goku(movie 13) vs Super Buu

1. Base Super Buu

2. Gotenks Buu

3. Buuhan

Which Super Buus ,can movie 13 Ssj3 Goku defeat?

Goku eats shit in every case.

[Piccolo Daimao]

I have one!!

SSj3 Goku(movie 13) vs Super Buu

1. Base Super Buu

2. Gotenks Buu

3. Buuhan

Which Super Buus ,can movie 13 Ssj3 Goku defeat?

I think SSj3 Goku in DBZ Movie 13 is the same as he was in the Boo arc. So all three Super Boos annihilate him.

[Silkman3003]

I have one!!

SSj3 Goku(movie 13) vs Super Buu

1. Base Super Buu

2. Gotenks Buu

3. Buuhan

Which Super Buus ,can movie 13 Ssj3 Goku defeat?

Goku eats shit in every case.

How?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zf9XWD_J9ic

Final Form Hirudegarn one shotted Ssj3 gotenks out of his fusion.(5:38) A regular, simple hit managed to knock him out. Even if Base Super buu is stronger than gotenks, it wouldn't be by much. So I have trouble understanding why Super Buu wouldn't get one shotted(since gotenks and Buu are around the same power)

FF hirudegarn simply wrapping his tail around Gohan and swiping him into a building(which hardly broke) made Gohan unconscious.(5:58)

Ssj3 Goku tanked one hit from Hirudegarn(smiling).(11:54) Blocked another hit From Hirudegarn(11:58), and took another attack from an enraged Hirudegarn(screaming , but managed to block the attack mid way) 12:14.

Another thing to note is that "That" line about "Hirudegarn getting weaker as he gets angry" is a dub line. In the Jpn version, Goku states that he has to take advantage of his weakness, in order to beat him. And that weakness is that Hirudegarn cannot teleport when he attacks.
http://i.imgur.com/iI6Pg.png

Unless I misinterpreted your "eat shit" statement, in which case this whole statement doesn't apply to you.

I think SSj3 Goku in DBZ Movie 12 is the same as he was in the Boo arc. So all three Super Boos annihilate him.

I actually said movie 13 Goku

I have Movie 13 Ssj3 goku>>Movie 12 Goku, unless you believe that Final Form Janemba could destroy both Gohan and gotenks with little difficulty. (and Hirudegarn's power vs Janemba has always caused headaches for me).

[Piccolo Daimao]

I actually said movie 13 Goku

My mistake; I'll go back and edit it now. But my answer still applies.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Final Form Hirudegarn one shotted Ssj3 gotenks out of his fusion.(5:38) A regular, simple hit managed to knock him out.

It wasn't a regular simple hit. Hildegarn run and charged a punch. Usually, this is a very strong hit.

FF hirudegarn simply wrapping his tail around Gohan and swiping him into a building(which hardly broke) made Gohan unconscious.(5:58)

Gohan was taken by surprise, and was squized by Hildegarns tail. That's what made Gohan unconscious.

Ssj3 Goku tanked one hit from Hirudegarn(smiling).(11:54) Blocked another hit From Hirudegarn(11:58), and took another attack from an enraged Hirudegarn(screaming , but managed to block the attack mid way) 12:14.

Goku was the one who took simple hits and not surprising ones.

[Silkman3003]

It wasn't a regular simple hit. Hildegarn run and charged a punch. Usually, this is a very strong hit.

Okay. It wasn't a "simple" hit. It was a regular hit from Hirudegarn that knocked him out of his fusion. Even if you want to play that little route, Gohan was still rendered unconscious from being sent into the building. Gotenks is weaker than Gohan. At best, for Movie standards, Gotenks would be on the same level as Mystic Gohan. Before this , Gohan was barely hit. His only other feat was also being squeezed by his first form. Yet he wasn't unconscious. Yeah, that's right, being squeezed and sent into a building knocked him out.

Hell, Enraged Hirudegarn's attack did not instantly knock Goku out of his form . Are you suggesting that if Hirudegarn did the same thing to Goku, he'd be knocked out of Ssj3 and unconcious?

Gohan was taken by surprise, and was squized by Hildegarns tail. That's what made Gohan unconscious.

Him being squeezed did not make him unconscious. . Him being thrown into a building made him unconscious. He was screaming in pain while in the tail grip.

Are you implying that being sent into a building...that barely broke.... worse than receiving punches and tail swipes from Hirudegarn? And even then, being surprised attack doesn't always render you unconscious anyway.

Goku was the one who took simple hits and not surprising ones.

No, he wasn't. Goku was taunting Hirudegarn. One of Hirudegarn's strongest hits(while enraged) made Goku scream in pain for a bit, yet Goku could still block the attack. Something Gotenks was unable to do. These hits were not simple at all. They were purposely designed to get him angry, so that Goku could eventually take advantage of his weakness, and use Dragon Fist.

So essentially, it's like this

Reason's why Ssj3 Goku in Movie 13 is superior to Mystic Gohan and Ssj3 Gotenks
1. Goku took one hit from Hirudegarn and smiled.

2. Goku managed to block a punch from Hirudegarn.

3. Hirudegarn's third attack(While enraged) only made Goku scream a bit in pain, which then led to him blocking the attack mid way.

4. Gohan , who didn't take any hits(besides being squezed by first form Hirudegarn's tail) was rendered unconscious from being sent into a building that barely broke..

5. Goku actually managing to dodge hirudegarn's 1st punch(Before his tail being cut off by Trunks). That's right. Goku casually dodged that same attack that knocked Gotenks out of his fusion.

6. Hell, we have Ssj2 goku, taking much more hits from Hirudegarn, before being unconscious compared to Gohan and Gotenks . And these are the "surprise" attacks you were talking about(Hirudegarn's intangability+ hit)

6. Movies are not bound by the manga. As in, Goku doesn't have to be as strong as his Buu saga self. Hell, it looks like it takes after the Buusaga. In which case, Goku could be training during this time period... This is Toei, who essentially has Goku being the hero in the majority of the movies. So it's not out of the realm of possibilities.

Reasons why you suggest that Base Super Buu is superior to Movie 13 Goku:
??

I'm...not seeing a plethora of reasons to suggest that either Gohan or gotenks are superior to Ssj3 Goku in Movie 13. Seriously, the feats in the movie speak for itself. And this isn't even including the crappy anime powerlevels (Where Kid buu is apparently the strongest Buu. But I don't usually like bringing that in). Hell I personally think that movie 13 Goku would put up a bigger fight against buutenks compared to Gohan. Though Buutenks has the advantage in regeneration.

[Saiga]

Seriously, what was that about Tenshinhan, the Kaio-ken and having his own version of the technique? Sounds like somebody has been reading the hateful lies on the Dragon Ball wiki... (I fell for them too, before coming here).

[lash]

Movie 13 Goku > Ultimate Gohan > Super Boo > manga/anime Goku

Number is an obvious win for Goku.
Goku likely loses to the other two versions.

[Haji]

So some people thinks even base Super Buu could beat SSJ3 Goku? I find that funny.

[CaBrPi]

So some people thinks even base Super Buu could beat SSJ3 Goku? I find that funny.

Well, SSj3 Goku (at least in the manga and anime) didn't exactly have the easiest time fighting Kid/Pure Boo, and Super/Evil Boo is stronger than Pure Boo...

[Haji]

Oh yeah, that's right. I just always think that Kid Buu was the most powerful. I just remember when Goku was beating up Fat Majin Buu and seemed to be in control. I know that Super Buu is just evil Buu in a way. after Fat Buu split into, evil and good, the evil Buu absorbed good Buu. So in a way its evil Buu thats fully in control. I just think Goku could handle Super Buu because of the time he battled fat Buu.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Inside of Boo's body, Goku states that he and Vegeta wouldn't stand a chance against Super Boo without fusion. That means Super Saiyan 3 Goku can't beat Super Boo.

[Silver Sinspawn]

Arale vs Introduction Chaozu.

[Saiga]

So some people thinks even base Super Buu could beat SSJ3 Goku? I find that funny.

It's true that Super Boo could beat SS3 Goku. Goku was actually scared of him.

[Fox666]

So some people thinks even base Super Buu could beat SSJ3 Goku? I find that funny.

Yes, if Goku tells Vegeta they must use the Potara or Evil Boo will kill them, so he is clearly a lot stronger than the two.

[perucho1990]

Arale vs Introduction Chaozu.

Arale ROFLSTOMPS badly .

I heard she is right there with Bugs Bunny,Mickey Mouse, Popeye and Droopy as God-Tier Toonforcer.

Future Gohan vs Android Saga Piccolo(Pre Kami fusion).

[AgitoZ]

I heard she is right there with Bugs Bunny,Mickey Mouse, Popeye and Droopy as God-Tier Toonforcer.

Not even close.


She's on a whole different level.

[Fox666]

Arale vs Superman