"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Grimlock]

Toyotaro seems more respectful with power levels. Trunks never got a ass pull power boost. SS2 thats it. A strong one but cant go up against SS Rose Black.

To be fair, in the manga, Trunks can use a power-up while in Super Saiyan 2, that's what puts him on Super Saiyan 3 Goku level. Not an asspull like Super Saiyan Rage indeed, but it's still a big asspull.

[TheMikado]

Toyotaro seems more respectful with power levels. Trunks never got a ass pull power boost. SS2 thats it. A strong one but cant go up against SS Rose Black.

To be fair, in the manga, Trunks can use a power-up while in Super Saiyan 2, that's what puts him on Super Saiyan 3 Goku level. Not an asspull like Super Saiyan Rage indeed, but it's still a big asspull.

Considering he had 7 years, training from Kaioshin, and still only managed to power-up his strongest form... I'd consider that much less of an @$$pull than something like the "My Bulma" garbage, SSBxKKx10, or anything else we've seen.

[Hawk9211]

Does anybody know when we should be getting leaks?An approximation would be appreciated.

[Alruneia]

Does anybody know when we should be getting leaks?An approximation would be appreciated.

The official release is on the 21st of the month, unless the 21st is on a Sunday, in which case it's moved up a bit. Based on that, I wouldn't wait around for leaks until the 17th/18th.

[Totamo]

The manga could improve the tournament but not in the way people will think.


Its not going to improve tension but it might improve explanation. Toyo loves exposition.

Toyotaro seems more respectful with power levels. Trunks never got a ass pull power boost. SS2 thats it. A strong one but cant go up against SS Rose Black. Toei does whats cool. Not what makes sense. And its a shame because I would say majority of the fans are not kids that like flashy lights. SS Rage cool looking, spirit sword cool looking, Roshi dominating U4 and its strongest fighter looks cool. But none of it has any logic or build up to it. Roshi Pl is 139 when buff 180. Hes been wearing the shell for hundreds of years. He has no Kami or King Kai training. And never trained for the Androids or participated in any major battles. So "secret training" is not enough. The manga can be better with him using the Mafu ba and Lightning attack but not have him one hand smack a over SS1 character.

Yes, they are. Super is aimed towards kids age 9 to 13 who only care about cool. Why do you think Toei has been using that rule since blue kaioken.


If they didn't like it, they wouldn't do it because then they can't sell the show.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Toyotaro seems more respectful with power levels. Trunks never got a ass pull power boost. SS2 thats it. A strong one but cant go up against SS Rose Black.

To be fair, in the manga, Trunks can use a power-up while in Super Saiyan 2, that's what puts him on Super Saiyan 3 Goku level. Not an asspull like Super Saiyan Rage indeed, but it's still a big asspull.

How is it an asspull? It was established that Trunks reached that state through training because he wasn't satisfied with the power of Super Saiyan 2, and the concept that the SS2 form can become stronger was already a thing since Battle of Gods, even though it wasn't established very clearly. It didn't just come out of nowhere.

[JazzMazz]

Toyotaro seems more respectful with power levels. Trunks never got a ass pull power boost. SS2 thats it. A strong one but cant go up against SS Rose Black.

To be fair, in the manga, Trunks can use a power-up while in Super Saiyan 2, that's what puts him on Super Saiyan 3 Goku level. Not an asspull like Super Saiyan Rage indeed, but it's still a big asspull.

How is it an asspull? It was established that Trunks reached that state through training because he wasn't satisfied with the power of Super Saiyan 2, and the concept that the SS2 form can become stronger was already a thing since Battle of Gods, even though it wasn't established very clearly. It didn't just come out of nowhere.

The anime rage mode is a gigantic asspull that he literally pulled out of nowhere because...

Reasons.

[TheOne]

Toyotaro seems more respectful with power levels. Trunks never got a ass pull power boost. SS2 thats it. A strong one but cant go up against SS Rose Black.

To be fair, in the manga, Trunks can use a power-up while in Super Saiyan 2, that's what puts him on Super Saiyan 3 Goku level. Not an asspull like Super Saiyan Rage indeed, but it's still a big asspull.

Considering he had 7 years, training from Kaioshin, and still only managed to power-up his strongest form... I'd consider that much less of an @$$pull than something like the "My Bulma" garbage, SSBxKKx10, or anything else we've seen.

Exactly. Not exactly sure what his deal is.

Trunks is a no nonesense guy. Even after he defeated the androids and cell, he for sure kept training. If there was ever a charachter in Dragon Ball who we know kept up with their training off screen, it's him.

[MaskedRider]

To be fair, in the manga, Trunks can use a power-up while in Super Saiyan 2, that's what puts him on Super Saiyan 3 Goku level. Not an asspull like Super Saiyan Rage indeed, but it's still a big asspull.

How is it an asspull? It was established that Trunks reached that state through training because he wasn't satisfied with the power of Super Saiyan 2, and the concept that the SS2 form can become stronger was already a thing since Battle of Gods, even though it wasn't established very clearly. It didn't just come out of nowhere.

The anime rage mode is a gigantic asspull that he literally pulled out of nowhere because...

Reasons.

To be fair, this isn't the first time anger played in Trunk's life
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RI1JBdvPS74

[JazzMazz]

How is it an asspull? It was established that Trunks reached that state through training because he wasn't satisfied with the power of Super Saiyan 2, and the concept that the SS2 form can become stronger was already a thing since Battle of Gods, even though it wasn't established very clearly. It didn't just come out of nowhere.

The anime rage mode is a gigantic asspull that he literally pulled out of nowhere because...

Reasons.

To be fair, this isn't the first time anger played in Trunk's life
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RI1JBdvPS74

That form at least had a decent explanation and didn't come completely out of left field like the Trunks Rage transformation in the FT arc.

[MaskedRider]

The anime rage mode is a gigantic asspull that he literally pulled out of nowhere because...

Reasons.

To be fair, this isn't the first time anger played in Trunk's life
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RI1JBdvPS74

That form at least had a decent explanation and didn't come completely out of left field like the Trunks Rage transformation in the FT arc.

My point isn't whether it has an explanation or not, while Ikari should, its that its established Trunks has achieved feats through anger alone

[JazzMazz]

To be fair, this isn't the first time anger played in Trunk's life
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RI1JBdvPS74

That form at least had a decent explanation and didn't come completely out of left field like the Trunks Rage transformation in the FT arc.

My point isn't whether it has an explanation or not, while Ikari should, its that its established Trunks has achieved feats through anger alone

Outside of going regular Super Saiyan, 3rd grade isn't a form achieved through rage.

[alakazam^]

Just because it is somewhat visually different doesn't mean it's a new form. He powered up through rage, what further explanation is needed? No one commented on his looks so why can't that just be a visual clue to the audience?

Rosé wasn't explained in the anime either and many people came to (correct) assumption it was because of Zamasu being a true deity, which the manga confirmed.

[Grimlock]

How is it an asspull? It was established that Trunks reached that state through training because he wasn't satisfied with the power of Super Saiyan 2, and the concept that the SS2 form can become stronger was already a thing since Battle of Gods, even though it wasn't established very clearly. It didn't just come out of nowhere.

None of that would matter, if it wasn't said that Trunks had the upper hand in his battle against Goku. He trained from AGE 788 to AGE 796 (it's an eight-year timeskip, coincidentally it is almost same timeskip from Cell to Buu, Trunks should got Super Saiyan 3 and his power level should be about the same power level seen in the beginning of the saga since Vegeta only got a Super Saiyan 2 without this new power-up that the form has), with limited resources on Earth; then he got a little training from Kaioshin of East but only to be prepared to fight Babidi (since Kaioshin of East didn't know Dabura was with him). Are you telling me that all of that enough for Trunks to be able to be stronger than a:

• post-Majin Buu saga (great increase of power by Super Saiyan 3 plus training)
• post-Movie 14 (great increase of power by Super Saiyan God plus training)
• post-Movie 15 (great increase of power by training with Whis and Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan plus more training)
• post-Universe 6 saga (more training)

Future Trunks saga Super Saiyan 3 Goku? Yeah, it is an asspull.

[Nero<>Akira]

he trained for 7 years every single day like his life depended on it. Just from Trunks' words alone, you know he was not fucking around with his training whatsoever. 7 years.

[HeroR]

Just because it is somewhat visually different doesn't mean it's a new form. He powered up through rage, what further explanation is needed? No one commented on his looks so why can't that just be a visual clue to the audience?

Rosé wasn't explained in the anime either and many people came to (correct) assumption it was because of Zamasu being a true deity, which the manga confirmed.

Using the manga to explained the manga isn't a good idea since the anime suggested that Black chose the color. Nothing about him already being a god.

[Bullza]

Apparently it's now an ass pull when a Saiyan gets really angry and accesses new high levels of power.

Because this never happened when Goku got angry and turned into a Super Saiyan. It never happened when Vegeta got angry and surpassed Super Saiyan 3 Goku and Ultimate Gohan with just his Super Saiyan 2. It never happened over and over again with Gohan nor did he tap into a completely new transformation either upon getting angry.

No this only ever happened with Trunks.

[Grimlock]

Flawed comparison. None of them reached the gods level in all those situations you mentioned.

We're not talking about Super Saiyan 3 Goku from Majin Buu saga, we're talking about Future Trunks saga Super Saiyan 3 Goku, the latter is much stronger than his self back in AGE 774.

But eh, I'm not surprised, if people accept Freeza training for four months and also reaches gods level (even being stronger than Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Goku), why can't Trunks right? You can reach god level, I can reach god level, he can reach god level... Everyone can reach god level in such a short time and/or with limited resources of training!

Reaching god level is the new "he's a prodigy"!

[Lord Beerus]

Flawed comparison. None of them reached the gods level in all those situations you mentioned.

Strictly speaking, they did. Gohan and Goku, through different scenarios where his battle power spiked in a fits of rage, became far stronger than Kami (God), King Kai (another God) and Kaioshin (yet another God). Irrespective of their strength, Kami, King Kai and Kaioshin are considered Gods by their position, so surpassing them in power does qualify as reaching the level of the Gods by virtue of technicality.

[perucho1990]

Just because it is somewhat visually different doesn't mean it's a new form. He powered up through rage, what further explanation is needed? No one commented on his looks so why can't that just be a visual clue to the audience?

Rosé wasn't explained in the anime either and many people came to (correct) assumption it was because of Zamasu being a true deity, which the manga confirmed.

If I remember correctly the anime implied Black got Rose after Black mastered Gokus God Power.

Anyways any idea when the next chapter will be released(RAWS)? This weekened or next week?