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Will Goku be able to transform into [Super Saiyan] God in the future?
I think you’ll understand if you watch [the movie], but Goku has already absorbed [Super Saiyan] God’s power and made it his own, so there is no need for him to transform into [Super Saiyan] God. Goku basically only thinks of fighting as a sporting match, so borrowing the power of five people isn’t fair, and he resisted doing that; however, it seems his curiosity towards the realm that lay even further beyond him won out.
I think he was talking about the ritual cause at the end of BOG Goku uses the form to absorb Beerus' attack.
Another thing is the movie's poster has him and Vegeta in the form which I doubt is just to make the poster look better.
July 9th 2018 will be remembered as the day Broly became canon.
shinmaru wrote:Toriyama about SSJGOD
Will Goku be able to transform into [Super Saiyan] God in the future?
I think you’ll understand if you watch [the movie], but Goku has already absorbed [Super Saiyan] God’s power and made it his own, so there is no need for him to transform into [Super Saiyan] God. Goku basically only thinks of fighting as a sporting match, so borrowing the power of five people isn’t fair, and he resisted doing that; however, it seems his curiosity towards the realm that lay even further beyond him won out.
Is it possible that other Saiyans will be able to become [Super Saiyan] God in the future?
Of course. However, strength will vary depending on the battle power of the Saiyan who becomes [Super Saiyan] God.
Wouldn't that indicate that Goku doesn't need to transform anymore because that power's already in him? Wasn't that also indicated by him channeling it again when dispersing Beerus' blast despite the power having run out long before?
"I wanted you to see what real courage is, instead of getting the idea that courage is a man with a gun in his hand. It’s when you know you’re licked before you begin but you begin anyway and you see it through no matter what." - Harper Lee, To Kill a Mockingbird (1960)
“I learned that courage was not the absence of fear, but the triumph over it. The brave man is not he who does not feel afraid, but he who conquers that fear.” - Nelson Mandela
I've read the chapter 2 Manga, and it really feels like the old days, hope they won't spoil everything in the last chapter. And Whis is badass choking Goku
sintzu wrote:
Another thing is the movie's poster has him and Vegeta in the form which I doubt is just to make the poster look better.
You know what that means, don't you?
"I wanted you to see what real courage is, instead of getting the idea that courage is a man with a gun in his hand. It’s when you know you’re licked before you begin but you begin anyway and you see it through no matter what." - Harper Lee, To Kill a Mockingbird (1960)
“I learned that courage was not the absence of fear, but the triumph over it. The brave man is not he who does not feel afraid, but he who conquers that fear.” - Nelson Mandela
I'd rather see them team-effort to defeat Freeza than use fusion. If they use fusion to beat him, couldn't that be interpreted as them being unable to learn and overcome their own weaknesses and substituting each other's strength's? Also I feel it'd be weird to shoehorn Goten and Trunks out of the movie and then rely on the very move that's a big part of their strategies. And I don't think Gogeta could ever look as amazing as he did in Movie 12 simply because the animators they have now aren't as good as the animators Movie 12 had. Movie 12's animation is beautiful. Looking at that ssj3 comparision BOG's ssj3 is several steps down from 12's ssj3.
shinmaru wrote:I've read the chapter 2 Manga, and it really feels like the old days, hope they won't spoil everything in the last chapter. And Whis is badass choking Goku
Don't kill Goku, Whis.
Dragon Ball still needs its poster child.
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Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
I think it would be a cool twist for me personally if both God Goku and God Vegeta are killed by Frieza, Whis rewinds time and then they fuse to Gogeta so not only could we get a canon Gogeta we could get a base Gogeta.
Also on Goten and Trunks
While I would rather see them appear I'd rather them not appear as I don't think Toriyama would use them properly. Frieza is back more powerful then ever and Goten and Trunks look like the two people he hates most. Not only would having Frieza kill them establish him as the worst DBZ villain once again it also puts Goku and Vegeta in despair.
Goku would know he is the reason Goten is dead and Vegeta would have to deal with the loss of his son, this same even can later be used by Frieza to get inside Goku and Vegeta's head and even could be a reason they lose to Frieza. Then we could have Bulma and Chi-Chi being upset with the saiyans.
I feel we could see some good characterization from Frieza, Goku and Vegeta behind that one event but sense it's not going there I'd rather they be left out.
ShadowWolf87 wrote:
You know what that means, don't you?
What color do you think their hair would be ? Purple ?
Like Gotenks. Half Red, half Blue if Vegeta is getting blue hair.
I've drawn this, it looks so amazingly 80's loud. X3
I kind of want to see Gogeta for that, but I'd still like to see a Kid Buu team style effort also.
Chuquita wrote:I'd rather see them team-effort to defeat Freeza than use fusion. If they use fusion to beat him, couldn't that be interpreted as them being unable to learn and overcome their own weaknesses and substituting each other's strength's? Also I feel it'd be weird to shoehorn Goten and Trunks out of the movie and then rely on the very move that's a big part of their strategies. And I don't think Gogeta could ever look as amazing as he did in Movie 12 simply because the animators they have now aren't as good as the animators Movie 12 had. Movie 12's animation is beautiful. Looking at that ssj3 comparision BOG's ssj3 is several steps down from 12's ssj3.
I Hope they do defeat Freeza with team- efforts or a Son and Bejita Tag team. Just like how Trunks and Goten kicked Bio Brolly
by Dbzfan94 » Fri Mar 20, 2015 2:23 am
I have no idea my post glitched lol
Also I would love to see Gogeta. Even if he was a last resort
(speculation)
Maybe It's not possible with God Ki.
To be honest, I never did like the idea of fusion when it first was introduced. It feels like a forced idea. I think it's created by Toriyama because he didn't want to go through another transformation.
If neither can beat Freeza, I can't see why they wouldn't use fusion. Since SSJ God isn't a form no more that's needed, they should be able to hold out the full 30 minute time limit in base. Though perhaps Freeza wouldn't let em I suppose. Though he has no idea what fusion is, and would probably just let them dance. Hey it was a good idea to not bring Gotenks afterall, so Gogeta can return.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
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Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
