"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Lord Beerus]

Spoiler:

I dont knwo if this post yet but I just found it off twitter.

That's just fan art. And it has already been posted in this thread.

[kinisking]

The thing with Dark or not is how serious the subject material is taken. You can have a single killing be more dark than mass genocide, depending on how serious the material wants us to take it. Beerus blowing up half a planet for petty reasons, is a gag. It has dark subtext, but we're not supposed to take it too seriously. We're supposed to laugh at how petty Beerus is for what he did. We also have no attachment to those he killed, so we don't care. In comparison to Future Gohan dying which we're supposed to take fully seriously. It's treated as a dark moment.

This isn't to argue about dark moments are there or not in Super. The subtext is there, and can be found in a lot of material that isn't inherently dark. Super has dark subtext, and sometimes it's right out there. Though what hurts it and the series in general, is the baggage from the Boo arc. Too many safety nets. Piccolo's recent death is outright laughable when Goku himself knows how easy it is to bring him back. It's not even a big deal by the end. Death is meaningless. I'm not worried for anyone because who the hell cares? There is no real loss.

But when we went to the tournament arc. Tension came right back. Stakes came back. Why is that? Cause now death isn't important. It's about winning the tournament. So now getting eliminated can happen. We've had some close calls and surprises. So now the danger was something else. Goku going Kaio-Ken was not suspense filled because he might die. Death is meaningless. It is because he might lose the bout as it's heavily straining.

So now heading back into an arc where it's not about a sporting event, we're gonna be back in death is meaningless territory, and yet I'll never be worried so long as the safety nets are still around. Those and the abundance of godly figures. Hopefully the arc addresses all these things as they killed all worrying I could ever have from the first two arcs.

This. How are we supposed to have any real tension when there are 3 sets of dragonballs?
And to sintzu it might be the 4th arc but the first two were just retellings so we can't really judge Super's future direction on those. The retelligns were darker than the movies at least. Not only that, but the arcs have been really short thus far. I think this arc with future trunks will be slightly longer (around 20-30 episodes) and much darker. You can't have future trunks without a dark tone imo. Especially with that hardened look he's sporting.

I see this a lot and I don't know where people got this idea from what if its just the standard 13-15 episodes?

The first 2 were based of short movies so it's expected that they would be short. Then the 3rd one was a tournament which is expected to be short too (babas tournament for example). However, introducing future trunks and all the universe hopping along with goku black in 13-15 episodes? I doubt it. This seems like the first proper arc in a while and I expect it to be no less than 20 episodes

[Hellspawn28]

With Toei doing a new anime of Tiger Mask and Digimon, could this affect Super? Toei did had Fusion on Sunday mornings from what I can remember. I do worry that they will put Super on a worst time slot or put the show on hold.

[JulieYBM]

With Toei doing a new anime of Tiger Mask and Digimon, could this affect Super? Toei did had Fusion on Sunday mornings from what I can remember. I do worry that they will put Super on a worst time slot or put the show on hold.

Yes, it will affect Dragon Ball Super. Tiger Mask seems like it has been in production for a while already so it likely already has been affecting Dragon Ball Super. Tossing a new weekly Digimon series into the mix will chances for good animators to potentially work on Dragon Ball Super, too. It depends on the core staff of both series, though. If Nagamine Tatsuya is overseeing one of them then that could devastate the number of available good animators.

[Noah]

Beerus blew up half a planet that was inhabited just because of the food, then he blew up an entire other planet in the next episode after beating down someone on the planet, then in his fight against Goku he stabbed him in the chest and left him to die. Freeza tortured Tagoma by blowing holes through his joints and then tortured Gohan by blasting holes all through his body and then Piccolo died trying to save Gohan. Goku was later pierced through the chest and his near lifeless body was then tortured by Freeza. Piccolo also had his arm ripped off in the F arc and a hole blasted through his chest in his fight with Frost, Champa was also about to kill his entire team just because they lost...

Okay, but how about the lack of blood?

[Sonicjamareiz]

Beerus blew up half a planet that was inhabited just because of the food, then he blew up an entire other planet in the next episode after beating down someone on the planet, then in his fight against Goku he stabbed him in the chest and left him to die. Freeza tortured Tagoma by blowing holes through his joints and then tortured Gohan by blasting holes all through his body and then Piccolo died trying to save Gohan. Goku was later pierced through the chest and his near lifeless body was then tortured by Freeza. Piccolo also had his arm ripped off in the F arc and a hole blasted through his chest in his fight with Frost, Champa was also about to kill his entire team just because they lost...

Okay, but how about the lack of blood?

I think blood will make full return in the Future Trunks arc it was noticeable during the Vegeta vs Hit and the Goku vs Hit(TS 0.2) fight. Episode 44 has red burnt marks which was almost never seen in Super.

[Lujin_16]

Beerus blew up half a planet that was inhabited just because of the food, then he blew up an entire other planet in the next episode after beating down someone on the planet, then in his fight against Goku he stabbed him in the chest and left him to die. Freeza tortured Tagoma by blowing holes through his joints and then tortured Gohan by blasting holes all through his body and then Piccolo died trying to save Gohan. Goku was later pierced through the chest and his near lifeless body was then tortured by Freeza. Piccolo also had his arm ripped off in the F arc and a hole blasted through his chest in his fight with Frost, Champa was also about to kill his entire team just because they lost...

Okay, but how about the lack of blood?

I think blood will make full return in the Future Trunks arc it was noticeably there in the Vegeta vs Hit and the Goku vs Hit(TS 0.2) fight. Episode 44 has red burnt marks which was almost never seen in Super.

Exactly....But why yet ?? maybe because of the retelling movies or because Akira complained about that???

[Chuquita]

Re: Digimon

I'd only worry about Super being replaced if it hadn't done so amazingly well for Shueisha in that recent earnings report.

At worst the animation quality mini bump we've had lately will be lost.

Also, Sailor Moon Crystal should be done with its current season by then and with the One Piece movie being in June instead of December there will be people freed up to work on Digimon who would normally be doing One Piece movie stuff.

[Araki]

Toei did had Fusion on Sunday mornings from what I can remember.

The last Digimon show to air on Fuji was Savers. Fusion aired on tv Asahi, not Fuji. The franchise is likely to remain there, where most new Toei series go (they own 16% of the station).

With this new Digimon starting in October, i think there's a good chance it'll end up on Gundam 0096 timeslot, which is ending in September. Sunrise haven't announced any new kids show yet.

[ArchedThunder]

Re: Digimon

I'd only worry about Super being replaced if it hadn't done so amazingly well for Shueisha in that recent earnings report.

At worst the animation quality mini bump we've had lately will be lost.

Also, Sailor Moon Crystal should be done with its current season by then and with the One Piece movie being in June instead of December there will be people freed up to work on Digimon who would normally be doing One Piece movie stuff.

Yeah, I'm not going to worry about Super, it's doing too well for Toei to jeopardize it for something like Digimon. If anything the recent treatment of putting tons of artists on an episode even when it isn't important says to me that Toei might value Super more now and might be trying to fix its production and quality. Time will tell though.

[Hellspawn28]

Well Digimon and Dragon Ball are mainly run by the same people (Toei and Bandai) and have the same target audience (Kids from Elementary and Middle School). If the new Digimon show starts at 9:00 AM on another channel, won't that cause most of it's viewers to change the channel at 9 AM instead? Also what about Triger Mask? Sure the franchise is 50 years old, but I think Toei may want to market to a new generation of fans. Could it end up taking over Dragon Ball's timeslot?

[ArchedThunder]

Well Digimon and Dragon Ball are mainly run by the same people (Toei and Bandai) and have the same target audience (Kids from Elementary and Middle School). If the new Digimon show starts at 9:00 AM on another channel, won't that cause most of it's viewers to change the channel at 9 AM instead? Also what about Triger Mask? Sure the franchise is 50 years old, but I think Toei may want to market to a new generation of fans. Could it end up taking over Dragon Ball's timeslot?

Dragon Ball is Toei's second biggest money maker (second only to One Piece) and Bandai's second as well (second to Gundam). Dragon Ball won't end or be moved to a different time because of a different show.

[Sodhi]

I would not worry about Super at all. Numbers speak volume. Unless both toei and bandai are ready to give up money making cow. I also dont see any significant change in the animation department, unless some production breakdown happens. If I remember correctly last time in the digimon series, most animators were outsiders and not from toei, so I am thinking it would be the same case for this series too.

[bleed0range]

I'm actually pleasantly surprised at how well Super is doing. I hope it keeps going because it can only get better, it has already improved a lot. I recently caught up from the BOG arc where I stopped after getting a little bored with the retelling and I was very impressed by how much better it has gotten, animation too.

I'm still surprised Funimation hasn't made a peep about it yet.

[Bullza]

On a completely different note.

Mid July 2012 was when the tease for what became Battle of Gods sprang up.

Almost exactly 2 years later in mid July 2014 was when the tease for what became Resurrection F sprang up.

Maybe in a little less than 2 months we could get a tease for a new movie to be released in 2017? I don't know how likely that is now that Super is airing but I don't see why it should matter unless it's mean Toriyama would be too busy with Super.

I wouldn't be interested in a non Toriyama written DBZ movie at this point nor would it be a good idea.

I would love another movie though.

[Faisal Shourov]

I thought Super would flop after episode 5 but I was wrong, it's still in top 10 and barely gets below 7-8. The Japanese fans are much more faithful to DB after all

[Araki]

Well Digimon and Dragon Ball are mainly run by the same people (Toei and Bandai) and have the same target audience (Kids from Elementary and Middle School). If the new Digimon show starts at 9:00 AM on another channel, won't that cause most of it's viewers to change the channel at 9 AM instead? Also what about Triger Mask? Sure the franchise is 50 years old, but I think Toei may want to market to a new generation of fans. Could it end up taking over Dragon Ball's timeslot?

The educated guess is that Digimon will be a tv Asahi show, since it's the last channel the franchise aired. But it wouldn't be at the same time, of course. The Sunday morning block on that channel ends at 9am (with Precure). They would either air it at 6:30 (where Digimon Fusion, SS Omega and World Trigger aired) or 7 (now presenting Gundam, set to end in September). DBS starts at 9am on Fuji tv.

As for Tiger Mask, that's a mystery. But they would have to be insane to replace DBS with Tiger Mask, lol. Unless they want to change a franchise that is making a lot of money for another that is dead at the present time and no one knows what could happen.
Not to mention it was announced as a "blend of traditional animation and 3DCG", it'll probably have a short run. Sounds too exotic for a long running Sunday morning anime.

Many things wouldn't make sense if DBS wrapped in September. It would end probably before Xenoverse 2 is released and most countries get the show, the manga would barely have time to touch the Future Trunks' arc and the Zen'ou tournament wouldn't even happen.

[Sonicjamareiz]

I thought Super would flop after episode 5 but I was wrong, it's still in top 10 and barely gets below 7-8. The Japanese fans are much more faithful to DB after all

Well its not a bad series its just butt ugly af

[TekTheNinja]

I thought Super would flop after episode 5 but I was wrong, it's still in top 10 and barely gets below 7-8. The Japanese fans are much more faithful to DB after all

Well its not a bad series its just butt ugly af

Naw, it's pretty bad.

[kinisking]

Imo it's decent looking but a great series and I love it. There are some things it could be doing better but from a story perspective I don't think it's done anything that would make it bad (not including retellings).