Discussion, generally of an in-universe nature, regarding any aspect of the franchise (including movies, spin-offs, etc.) such as: techniques, character relationships, internal back-history, its universe, and more.
AvatarReiko wrote:Blue SSJ3 Goku(With god power) vs Beerus.
Goku wins comfortably
Zombie wrote:Mister Satan (EoZ) vs General White.
Mr Satan takes this
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Buuhan VS Buff Buu with Post-ROSAT SSJ3 Gotenks absorbed-- No candybeam, fusion time limit, or further absorbing
Cyborg Tao VS End of Z Bra
Zombie wrote:Mister Satan (EoZ) vs General White.
Why End of Z? That would make him weaker. Anyways, Mr. Satan should be able to beat White. He's the world champion of martial arts among regular humans, after all. General White isn't superhuman.
Buuhan VS Buff Buu with Post-ROSAT SSJ3 Gotenks absorbed-- No candybeam, fusion time limit, or further absorbing
Zombie wrote:Mister Satan (EoZ) vs General White.
Why End of Z? That would make him weaker. Anyways, Mr. Satan should be able to beat White. He's the world champion of martial arts among regular humans, after all. General White isn't superhuman.
I'm not that sure he would be weaker. He is just 41 at EoZ (according to a guide), really not that old.
- Android #16 vs. Kamiccolo, SSJ Vegeta, SSJ Son Goku and SSJ Future Trunks (all pre-ROSAT).
- Butta vs. Tapkar (in a race).
- Freeza (50% power) vs. Kibito.
- Krillin vs. Yamcha at the 22nd Budokai.
When responding, keep this quote in mind...
Kaboom wrote:
Bullza wrote:The answers people give to these need to be more interesting than, "Character A stomps" or "Character B One shots"
I wholeheartedly concur. Try to put a little creativity and substance into your responses.
In Brightest Day wrote:- Android #16 vs. Kamiccolo, SSJ Vegeta, SSJ Son Goku and SSJ Future Trunks (all pre-ROSAT).
None of them can even scratch #16. Kamiccolo's arguably strongest move did no damage to Cell who's ~ #16. All of the pre-RoSaT Super Saiyans are a joke to #16.
- Freeza (50% power) vs. Kibito.
I don't buy Kibito being anywhere near base Gohan. He couldn't even budge the Zeta sword, so Freeza stomps.
Angelus wrote:Buuhan VS Buff Buu with Post-ROSAT SSJ3 Gotenks absorbed-- No candybeam, fusion time limit, or further absorbing
Cyborg Tao VS End of Z Bra
- Buuhan stomps
- Tao finger flicks Bra
In Brightest Day wrote:- Android #16 vs. Kamiccolo, SSJ Vegeta, SSJ Son Goku and SSJ Future Trunks (all pre-ROSAT).
- Butta vs. Tapkar (in a race).
- Freeza (50% power) vs. Kibito.
- Krillin vs. Yamcha at the 22nd Budokai
- #16 crushes all of the Z-Fighters
- Burter wins the race
- Hmmm.... I'd actually give this to Freeza.
- Krillin stomps Yamcha
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Angelus wrote:Buuhan VS Buff Buu with Post-ROSAT SSJ3 Gotenks absorbed-- No candybeam, fusion time limit, or further absorbing
Cyborg Tao VS End of Z Bra
- Buuhan stomps
- Tao finger flicks Bra
In Brightest Day wrote:- Android #16 vs. Kamiccolo, SSJ Vegeta, SSJ Son Goku and SSJ Future Trunks (all pre-ROSAT).
- Butta vs. Tapkar (in a race).
- Freeza (50% power) vs. Kibito.
- Krillin vs. Yamcha at the 22nd Budokai
- #16 crushes all of the Z-Fighters
- Burter wins the race
- Hmmm.... I'd actually give this to Freeza.
- Krillin stomps Yamcha
Mira is confident he can defeat both SSJ3 Goku and Fat Buu before you step in (whether or not he was gonna wait till they were both tired or if there was a victor is debatable). Though if hes confident he can defeat SSJ3 Goku, then hes between Goku and Super Buu.
So, that leads me to believe Mira > Fat and Kid Buu.
Demigra enchanced RoF Freeza(golden) vs Beerus?
Well for starters Beerus isnt even remotely concerned about Freeza's gold form in Fukkatsu. He just casually watches him and Goku duke it out, only slightly interfering to warn them about getting his clothes dirty. Goku comments that a standard ki blast from Beerus would have killed him and Vegeta when they woke Beerus up while training with Whis and this is Goku post-absorbing SSJG.
If Beerus is a 10, Gold Freeza is probably a 7/7.5 max. The villainous possession would do little or nothing to help him not to mention Freeza's lack of control over the gold form itself.
Angelus wrote:Buuhan VS Buff Buu with Post-ROSAT SSJ3 Gotenks absorbed-- No candybeam, fusion time limit, or further absorbing
Cyborg Tao VS End of Z Bra
- Buuhan stomps
- Tao finger flicks Bra
In Brightest Day wrote:- Android #16 vs. Kamiccolo, SSJ Vegeta, SSJ Son Goku and SSJ Future Trunks (all pre-ROSAT).
- Butta vs. Tapkar (in a race).
- Freeza (50% power) vs. Kibito.
- Krillin vs. Yamcha at the 22nd Budokai
- #16 crushes all of the Z-Fighters
- Burter wins the race
- Hmmm.... I'd actually give this to Freeza.
- Krillin stomps Yamcha
You must be the most boring person in real life.
I'd actually a very fun guy to hang out with. Especially if pudding in involved.
Berserker1921 wrote:Demigra enchanced RoF Freeza(golden) vs Beerus?
Beerus still stomps. Demigra's dark magic would do enough to help bridge the gap in terms of power between Golden Freeza and Beerus.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Goku vs. Krillin vs. Yamcha vs. Chi-Chi (Emperor Pilaf Saga; In a race)
fadeddreams5 wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am
I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
Mystic/Ultimate Gohan VS Pre-ROSAT SSJ3 "Trunten" (Kid Trunks + Goten Potara Fusion) with Tapion's sword
[Given that Pre-ROSAT Trunten can turn SSJ3]
In Brightest Day wrote:
- Android #16 vs. Kamiccolo, SSJ Vegeta, SSJ Son Goku and SSJ Future Trunks (all pre-ROSAT).
- Krillin vs. Yamcha at the 22nd Budokai.
- 16 is very similar in power to Imperfect Cell. So this is basically the same as Kamiccolo and 17 ganging up on Imperfect Cell. Those 3 pre-ROSAT SSJs, that could beat 17, after a difficult fight, if they ganged up on him, would just cover 17's spot.
- Krillin. He's always superior to Yamcha. It won't be an easy win but it's still a sure win.
Angelus wrote:Mystic/Ultimate Gohan VS Pre-ROSAT SSJ3 "Trunten" (Kid Trunks + Goten Potara Fusion) with Tapion's sword
[Given that Pre-ROSAT Trunten can turn SSJ3]
SSJ3 Trunten finger flicks Ultimate Gohan
SSJ God Gogeta wrote:Mira vs. Majin Boo
Mira stomps Majin Boo
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Goku vs. Krillin vs. Yamcha vs. Chi-Chi (Emperor Pilaf Saga; In a race; no rules)
fadeddreams5 wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am
I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
DBZAOTA482 wrote:Goku vs. Krillin vs. Yamcha vs. Chi-Chi (Emperor Pilaf Saga; In a race; no rules)
Goku leaves everyone is his dust using the Nimbus.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
DBZAOTA482 wrote:Goku vs. Krillin vs. Yamcha vs. Chi-Chi (Emperor Pilaf Saga; In a race; no rules)
Goku leaves everyone is his dust using the Nimbus.
They're all running.
fadeddreams5 wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am
I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
