Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[ShadowWolf87]

I'd also like to point out that Goku, while having been burned, appears to have not necessarily been shot through, as when he sits up his flesh is merely burned there. Could also be an edit that will be changed in the theatrical version I suppose, but for now it just looks like a bad burn.

In kai they animated the hole as a burn so they might have done it again.

Maybe. Maybe not.

But Goku being downed for the count with a hole in him would be a bit out of character, considering how he still went hard against Piccolo with a good chunk of his chest missing.

[Kamiccolo9]

I would like to point out that the last time Goku had a hole in his chest, he defeated Piccolo.
The last time Vegeta had a hole in his chest, he died.

Goku clearly has Vegeta beat in the "winning with a hole in the chest" department.

that whole was in his should. Last time he had a chest whole, Goku died

Spoiler:

Straight through the pectoral.

But I did overlook him dying in the Raditz fight. So....that gives Goku a 50% survival rate for chest related injuries, while Vegeta has a 0% survival rate. Goku still wins.

Plus the fact that he's obviously still alive after his chest wound in the new movie.

[sintzu]

So you're saying Vegeta winning will be severely undercut because he'll beat an Opponent Goku already half-killed.

Got it.

I think the way they handle it will determine if it'll be undercut or not.

[fadeddreams5]

Kind of hope this movie emphasizes on Vegeta's growth as a character, and ultimately leads to him surpassing Goku for good. I'm not even a Vegeta fanboy (Team Goku for life), but I'd like to see that for one movie.

...riiiight.

Okay I'll bite: Why?

- Top 3 most popular character.
- Top 3 most powerful non-fused hero (excluding Beerus and Whis)
- Direct and more personal affiliation with main villain than any other character.
- Never beaten major villain before (Goku, Gohan, Goten, and even Piccolo all have) despite demands.
- A reflection on the changes the character underwent since the start of the series.

I don't see why it's so hard to understand. lol. Why wouldn't you want to see that at least once?

[ShadowWolf87]

Kind of hope this movie emphasizes on Vegeta's growth as a character, and ultimately leads to him surpassing Goku for good. I'm not even a Vegeta fanboy (Team Goku for life), but I'd like to see that for one movie.

...riiiight.

Okay I'll bite: Why?

- Top 3 most popular character.
- Top 3 most powerful non-fused hero (excluding Beerus and Whis)
- Direct and more personal affiliation with main villain than any other character.
- Never beaten major villain before (Goku, Gohan, Goten, and even Piccolo all have) despite demands.
- A reflection on the changes the character underwent since the start of the series.

I don't see why it's so hard to understand. lol. Why wouldn't you want to see that at least once?

Seeing him get a kill? He's gotten those but I wouldn't object to seeing it.

It's this notion of him permanently surpassing Goku that I'd object to, and realistically cannot see happening. Similarly, cannot see him beating Freeza on his own.

[sintzu]

- Never beaten major villain before (Goku, Gohan, Goten, and even Piccolo all have) despite demands.

I don't see why it's so hard to understand.

Future Trunks beat 4 major villains (Freeza,Cell#17&18)

Other then what you said and all the hints we've gotten,Toriyama said he wanted Vegeta to be the main hero so that should be more then enough to understand why people think he'll take him down.

[ShadowWolf87]

So you're saying Vegeta winning will be severely undercut because he'll beat an Opponent Goku already half-killed.

Got it.

I think the way they handle it will determine if it'll be undercut or not.

The way you describe it as possible undercuts it by default.

If Goku is the one who put in the most damage on Freeza and then Vegeta swoops in completely fresh and makes the kill, that kill is undercut.

But again, the most damage Freeza has are some scuffs on his golden body. He doesn't seem the least bit tired or drained either. Not seeing Vegeta stand up to that solo if Goku couldn't.

I'm standing by my belief, they're gonna have to learn to fight as one and set their respective pride aside to win this.

[ShadowWolf87]

- Never beaten major villain before (Goku, Gohan, Goten, and even Piccolo all have) despite demands.

I don't see why it's so hard to understand.

Future Trunks beat 4 major villains (Freeza,Cell#17&18)

Other then what you said and all the hints we've gotten,Toriyama said he wanted Vegeta to be the main hero so that should be more then enough to understand why people think he will be.

Toriyama also said nothing's been set in stone and has changed his mind before. But even supposing he doesn't, there's more than one way to be a hero than to simply walk in and solo a villain that's so strong he just tanked a guy even stronger than you.

[fadeddreams5]

Seeing him get a kill? He's gotten those but I wouldn't object to seeing it.

It's this notion of him permanently surpassing Goku that I'd object to, and realistically cannot see happening. Similarly, cannot see him beating Freeza on his own.

Oh. I get that. Maybe he doesn't have to surpass Goku, per say. I wouldn't mind him tagging with Goku to beat him either.

[Kamiccolo9]

Why does Vegeta deserve to beat Freeza again? That's the part I'm not getting.

"Who gets to beat the genocidal, world-destroying alien royalty? The OTHER genocidal, world destroying alien royalty."

[jcogginsa]

I would like to point out that the last time Goku had a hole in his chest, he defeated Piccolo.
The last time Vegeta had a hole in his chest, he died.

Goku clearly has Vegeta beat in the "winning with a hole in the chest" department.

that whole was in his should. Last time he had a chest whole, Goku died

Spoiler:

Straight through the pectoral.

But I did overlook him dying in the Raditz fight. So....that gives Goku a 50% survival rate for chest related injuries, while Vegeta has a 0% survival rate. Goku still wins.

Plus the fact that he's obviously still alive after his chest wound in the new movie.

Vegeta's got a 50 percent too, thanks to Krillin

[ShadowWolf87]

Seeing him get a kill? He's gotten those but I wouldn't object to seeing it.

It's this notion of him permanently surpassing Goku that I'd object to, and realistically cannot see happening. Similarly, cannot see him beating Freeza on his own.

Oh. I get that. Maybe he doesn't have to surpass Goku, per say. I wouldn't mind him tagging with Goku to beat him either.

For the record: I'm fully convinced Vegeta's going to put up a mean fight, probably even get the kill. Wouldn't complain either.

I'd just like to see something happening reflecting growth in both Goku and Vegeta. Goku's may be more understated, but he has some pride issues he needs to let go of too, and his disgust with having to rely on others was an issue last movie. Vegeta also insists on taking things on by himself. Would hope maybe Whis would get through to them both and they learn that relying on your allies doesn't make you weaker, but a stronger unit.

[ShadowWolf87]

Why does Vegeta deserve to beat Freeza again? That's the part I'm not getting.

"Who gets to beat the genocidal, world-destroying alien royalty? The OTHER genocidal, world destroying alien royalty."

Here's a plot twist for ya: What if Vegeta finally has the opportunity to kill a villain, kill Freeza, something he'd wanted back in the day for so long (for... less than noble reasons, granted)

But then actually showed mercy for the first time. Similar to what happened when Goku opted to let him live with his shame.

Character growth PLUS He'd still get to blast him in the end.

[sintzu]

The way you describe it as possible undercuts it by default,If Goku is the one who put in the most damage on Freeza and then Vegeta swoops in completely fresh and makes the kill, that kill is undercut.

But again, the most damage Freeza has are some scuffs on his golden body. He doesn't seem the least bit tired or drained either. Not seeing Vegeta stand up to that solo if Goku couldn't.

If he only weakened him by 20% or so then it won't be undercut but if he's barely breathing and only has 5% of his power then yes but I doubt that'll be the case.

If Vegeta found a way to control the power he showed in BOG then I can see it happening.

[Kamiccolo9]

Vegeta's got a 50 percent too, thanks to Krillin

See the hole in the armor? That's the stomach, not the chest.

Why does Vegeta deserve to beat Freeza again? That's the part I'm not getting.

"Who gets to beat the genocidal, world-destroying alien royalty? The OTHER genocidal, world destroying alien royalty."

Here's a plot twist for ya: What if Vegeta finally has the opportunity to kill a villain, kill Freeza, something he'd wanted back in the day for so long (for... less than noble reasons, granted)

But then actually showed mercy for the first time. Similar to what happened when Goku opted to let him live with his shame.

Character growth PLUS He'd still get to blast him in the end.

Honestly, I'd rather just have Goku beat Freeza. It's been too long since the main character's had a win.

[Kishido]

I hope Vegeta will beat Frieza clean... Just to see the reactions here.

[Big Momma]

Why does Vegeta deserve to beat Freeza again? That's the part I'm not getting.

Vegeta hated Freeza all the time for various reasons, and on top of that his defeat at Freeza's hands was humiliating. I'm not saying Vegeta cares about all that now, but personally I'd like to see him get "revenge" by being the one to defeat Freeza.

Honestly, I'd rather just have Goku beat Freeza. It's been too long since the main character's had a win.

Even longer for Vegeta.

[Kamiccolo9]

Why does Vegeta deserve to beat Freeza again? That's the part I'm not getting.

Vegeta hated Freeza all the time for various reasons, and on top of that his defeat at Freeza's hands was humiliating. I'm not saying Vegeta cares about all that now, but personally I'd like to see him get "revenge" by being the one to defeat Freeza.

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Honestly, I'd rather just have Goku beat Freeza. It's been too long since the main character's had a win.

Even longer for Vegeta.

I mean, Piccolo has just as much of a reason to want Freeza dead as Vegeta,

Vegeta's not the main character.

[Tennessaiyan]

Seeing him get a kill? He's gotten those but I wouldn't object to seeing it.

Sure. He's gotten those. But the whole point of fans wanting him to get a kill now is because he's a changed man. He's struggled hard as he's become a better person, and every time he's tried to do the right thing since, (attempting to kill Cell after he killed his son, sacrificing himelf for his family and friends, his fight with Kid Buu, etc.) he has failed. Basically, ever since he has become good, he has failed, and for what it took over the entire course of his life to morph into the man he is, it would do his heart, and the fans' hearts good to see him get a win for once. Not necessarily a "kill," (say, Frieza survives as he did with Goku) but a win.

Goku became good after getting the sense instantly knocked into him after falling into a ravine, and he has been had the most extravagant and shining moments. Vegeta had to become good the hard way, through sheer will and life experience, and his efforts ever since have been fruitless. Why wouldn't someone want to see Vegeta do something amazing and have a shining moment?

[sintzu]

I hope Vegeta will beat Freeza clean... Just to see the reactions here.

One thing I know for a fact is that the reactions will be ugly here and everywhere else.